The Soviet Union or Nazi Germany

[Guest Thallasa]

 

I'm curious what the general consensus is among Christians as to which government would make their life more miserable.

Communism absolutely hated and outlawed Christianity and is intrinsically atheist.  Nazi Germany allowed military chaplains, churches, and people could practice their Christian faith..

Of course you will say I hate both of them, but there is one that will make the Christian life on average more miserable and difficult to know or practice the faith than the other.  Which do you think it is?

If your purpose is to bring the truth to bear, then good ,as those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it ,but since both  situations showed human involvement in evil ,an evil which was beyond both Stalin and Hitler and included the west in general it is best to make sure that one does not allow it to happen again as it is the Peacemakers not the warmongers who will inherit the new earth .

[SINNERSAVED]

 

If your purpose is to bring the truth to bear, then good ,as those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it ,but since both  situations showed human involvement in evil ,an evil which was beyond both Stalin and Hitler and included the west in general it is best to make sure that one does not allow it to happen again as it is the Peacemakers not the warmongers who will inherit the new earth .

What people fail to understand , is that this movement, of war, against the jews,  was  not by them alone, it was calculated, figured out, and planned, many years ahead of time, it also took support, and partnerships, together to maintained and to carry out a devastation so bad and corrupt, it was not just one, man ,? with a demon possessed mind, or brain washed, it was a group of thugs, and power, a elite group , with money , and supply,to accomplish this, ? for how it was carried, out, and then we have even more, that people have not looked, at,  but there is a lot behind the curtain of the wizard of oz, if you know what I mean ,

 thank you

[Guest Thallasa]

On ‎09‎/‎04‎/‎2016 at 3:12 PM, other one said:

Well considering our own treatment of Native Americans and people of color, and at the same time of the Russian Reveloution, the amount of things done in the name of Eugenics, we shouldn't cast stones...

When you get right down to it the whole of global governments pulls a very strong vacuum.....   and has since the days of Nimrod, and before that the whole world in general.

 Yes Other One, in the past we had only the 'facts ' as they were told to us by the rulers ,who could lie as much as they wanted because they also owned ,still do own  the media . However we have the internet , God's gift to us , to find out as much as possible , so that we can see how the truth is manipulated ,and always has been, since there have been governments and earthly powers .  To know that the people that Jesus spoke against, still exist, and are working against Him to this day .

[Qnts2]

 

No, Hitler hated Christians to-only reason he didn't was he was able to take Christianity and twist it, and use it to justify his actions. Christians-including the chaplains in his military were fine as long as they accepted his twisted version of Christianity. Any true Christian he killed off. Ask Dietrich Bonhoeffer the cost of his faith.

 

The Jews wernt the only people Hitler sent after they're just the ones who made the news. Did you know Hitler killed more black people then Jews? He was after pretty much any race. Like I said the only reason he didn't kill more people then Stalin was because he lost the war, it wasn't from lack of trying.

I tried to find the number of black people killed by Hitler, but could not find a number on the internet. I did find that Nazi Germany sterilized black children to prevent a contamination of white aryans through inter-marriage and mixed offspring.

The other group of people (other then the Jewish people) targeted for murder and nearly annihilated were the Roma Gypsies.  

 

[other one]

 

I tried to find the number of black people killed by Hitler, but could not find a number on the internet. I did find that Nazi Germany sterilized black children to prevent a contamination of white aryans through inter-marriage and mixed offspring.

The other group of people (other then the Jewish people) targeted for murder and nearly annihilated were the Roma Gypsies.  

 

also mentally deficient people.

[The_Patriot21]

 

I tried to find the number of black people killed by Hitler, but could not find a number on the internet. I did find that Nazi Germany sterilized black children to prevent a contamination of white aryans through inter-marriage and mixed offspring.

The other group of people (other then the Jewish people) targeted for murder and nearly annihilated were the Roma Gypsies.  

 

I'm having a hard time finding the number myself, seems to be I saw it in a high school textbook, but it was a while ago. It maybe off, but my point is that Hitler didn't just target Jews. He was after most minorities, and the only reason he didn't target the church was he was able to get the church to do his bidding, as soon as they became inconvenient or got in his way I'm sure he would have gone after Christians to, he was just stopped before he got that far.

 

What many people forget or don't realize is that at the start of WW2 Russia and Germany were allies, until Hitler turned on Russia. That was the only reason Russia was on our side in WW2. Only reason he didn't turn on Japan was they were a to far away at the time and he needed Japan to weaken China. Italy I think was the only axis power that Germany was actually loyal to.

[The_Patriot21]

This article states that perhaps the number wasn't as high as my original statement, but mainly due to lack of a black populace. Hitler hated the blacks, and especially those that "interbred" and sterilized the children of many such people without parental consent. He also targeted Jehovah's witnesses and many churches, so it pretty much falsifies any claim that Hitler allowed Christianity. There are several other sources that suggest the same thing.

 

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/NonJewishVictims.html

[Qnts2]

 

This article states that perhaps the number wasn't as high as my original statement, but mainly due to lack of a black populace. Hitler hated the blacks, and especially those that "interbred" and sterilized the children of many such people without parental consent. He also targeted Jehovah's witnesses and many churches, so it pretty much falsifies any claim that Hitler allowed Christianity. There are several other sources that suggest the same thing.

 

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/NonJewishVictims.html

Just to differentiate. I am not meaning that what Hitler did to other people was anything less then evil.

For the Jewish people and the Roma Gypsies, Hitler's intent was to wipe both of those group off of the face of the earth. For the blacks, he sterilized but did not target them for annihilation. Sterilization is horrific. The State of Vermont targeted Native American with forced sterilization, without telling the parents, and that did tremendous damage to the Abenaki. For the Jewish and Roma's, Hitler's campaign to annihilate these groups caused such large numbers to be murdered that more then 2/3's of the Jewish people living in Europe were murdered. Before the Holocaust, Europe had the largest Jewish population. It was not until about the 1980's that the number of Jewish people worldwide was back to the numbers who lived before Nazi Germany. For the Roma, Hitler wiped out all Roma's who lived in eastern Europe. Hitler's campaign against the Jewish people and the Roma people was much different then his atrocities against other groups. 

The Jehovah's Witnesses refused to swear allegiance to Nazi Germany due to their religious beliefs so the JW's became political targets. I consider it sad that Christians in general did not take the same stand. Had everyone who claimed to be a Christian taken the same stand as the JW's, Nazi Germany would not have been able to do what they did. The group of Christians who referred to themselves as the Confessing Church did stand against Hitler and many were murdered by the Nazi's but the numbers were too small to stop Hitler. 

Hitler did target the mentally handicapped and physically disabled. He viewed them as a drain on society and that what they had as hereditary. He started with a sterilization program, much like the U.S. and many other countries at that time, but then moved to murdering the disabled. He did murder both of those groups in Germany.

 

[OakWood]

The OP has raised a good question. It's such a good question that I have to go away and think about it before I can give a definitive answer. But I will say now, that both systems are Godless and evil. However from a purely selfish view Nazi Germany may have been better for me. I'm not Jewish and I am fairly Anglo-Saxon in my appearance and ancestry. I imagine that the authorities would have pretty much left me alone as long as I kept my head down. They probably would have in the USSR too, when I think about it.

Now remember that I haven't really thought about it. I may come back when I have.

[The_Patriot21]

 

Just to differentiate. I am not meaning that what Hitler did to other people was anything less then evil.

For the Jewish people and the Roma Gypsies, Hitler's intent was to wipe both of those group off of the face of the earth. For the blacks, he sterilized but did not target them for annihilation. Sterilization is horrific. The State of Vermont targeted Native American with forced sterilization, without telling the parents, and that did tremendous damage to the Abenaki. For the Jewish and Roma's, Hitler's campaign to annihilate these groups caused such large numbers to be murdered that more then 2/3's of the Jewish people living in Europe were murdered. Before the Holocaust, Europe had the largest Jewish population. It was not until about the 1980's that the number of Jewish people worldwide was back to the numbers who lived before Nazi Germany. For the Roma, Hitler wiped out all Roma's who lived in eastern Europe. Hitler's campaign against the Jewish people and the Roma people was much different then his atrocities against other groups. 

The Jehovah's Witnesses refused to swear allegiance to Nazi Germany due to their religious beliefs so the JW's became political targets. I consider it sad that Christians in general did not take the same stand. Had everyone who claimed to be a Christian taken the same stand as the JW's, Nazi Germany would not have been able to do what they did. The group of Christians who referred to themselves as the Confessing Church did stand against Hitler and many were murdered by the Nazi's but the numbers were too small to stop Hitler. 

Hitler did target the mentally handicapped and physically disabled. He viewed them as a drain on society and that what they had as hereditary. He started with a sterilization program, much like the U.S. and many other countries at that time, but then moved to murdering the disabled. He did murder both of those groups in Germany.

 

I realize you wernt, though I would say that he was indeed trying to wipe the blacks out to, just using a different method of doing so. Hitler by in large targeted anyone he considered to be inferior or got in his way, some more then others. I agree, its sad the JWs took a better stand then the church did.