The Great Image.

[Diaste]

14 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Diaste,

Great.....then as we know the divisions marking Syria, Iraq & Jordan were all done by the allies after WW2, so I believe the old Assyrian region will come together. Note ISIS is trying to do just that. And tens of thousands of Syrians have just fled into Jordan because of Russia`s bombing, thus taking Sunni Islam with them! Mmmmmm..............

Marilyn.

I have had the idea for some time the three nations that fall before the little horn are Syria, Iraq and Jordan. I see ISIS is losing ground but that can change in a hurry if that's the plan the Lord has for the end of the age. Interesting indeed....

[Marilyn C]

Just now, Diaste said:

I have had the idea for some time the three nations that fall before the little horn are Syria, Iraq and Jordan. I see ISIS is losing ground but that can change in a hurry if that's the plan the Lord has for the end of the age. Interesting indeed....

Hi Diaste,

Seems we are watching the same program. And yes ISIS is losing ground, so my thoughts are that another leader will arise there & think cunningly. He will think to `make friends` with the West & thus hold on to his territory & build support through, so called peaceful means.

`...through his cunning he shall cause deceit to prosper under his hand....` (Dan. 8: 25)

The A/C is not just going to pop up one day & take over the world, as some tend to think, but he has to arise locally, then nationally & finally come on the international stage. 

What do you think?

Marilyn. 

[Diaste]

Just now, Marilyn C said:

Hi Diaste,

Seems we are watching the same program. And yes ISIS is losing ground, so my thoughts are that another leader will arise there & think cunningly. He will think to `make friends` with the West & thus hold on to his territory & build support through, so called peaceful means.

`...through his cunning he shall cause deceit to prosper under his hand....` (Dan. 8: 25)

The A/C is not just going to pop up one day & take over the world, as some tend to think, but he has to arise locally, then nationally & finally come on the international stage. 

What do you think?

Marilyn. 

The beast is clearly a local product. That means somewhere in that ancient Syrian region, possibly in or near Babylon (I say that because the Statue Kingdoms all ruled from Babylon, but's it's a bit speculative)

I agree with your assessment of local, national and international.  It's looks to me as though Baghdadi, the leader of IS, has done just that. He was a nobody student for some time; even jailed by the US years ago where he came in contact with more radical elements of Islam. Soon after he became a local threat, then the war began and IS took great swaths of territory in Iraq and Syria, that's when he became an international threat, which has gotten worse. You and I are not going to see it as sudden, we know it's inevitable. To fully come to the power the beast will eventually have, there is a spiritual element that's necessary, the head wound that's healed. The world is in awe of him and follows him after that. That's what we should see next or very soon at the least.

[Marilyn C]

1 minute ago, Diaste said:

The beast is clearly a local product. That means somewhere in that ancient Syrian region, possibly in or near Babylon (I say that because the Statue Kingdoms all ruled from Babylon, but's it's a bit speculative)

I agree with your assessment of local, national and international.  It's looks to me as though Baghdadi, the leader of IS, has done just that. He was a nobody student for some time; even jailed by the US years ago where he came in contact with more radical elements of Islam. Soon after he became a local threat, then the war began and IS took great swaths of territory in Iraq and Syria, that's when he became an international threat, which has gotten worse. You and I are not going to see it as sudden, we know it's inevitable. To fully come to the power the beast will eventually have, there is a spiritual element that's necessary, the head wound that's healed. The world is in awe of him and follows him after that. That's what we should see next or very soon at the least.

Hi Diaste,

I think the `peace` in the Middle East has to come first, (local) (pre-trib) then after the Russian war this leader will make peace with Israel. That then will give him much credibility, (nationally). Then for a few years he travels the world deceiving leaders till one day he seems to be assassinated. Then he comes alive & as we know possessed by Satan. The world then acclaims him as their leader, (International).

` I saw one of its heads as if it had been mortally wounded, & his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marvelled & followed the beast.  So they worshipped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; & they worshipped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?` (Rev. 13: 3 & 4) 

I think we need to be careful not to jump too quick for..... if people think the A/C is round the next corner & they see the Russian war & think it is Armageddon, then when the A/C arises & brings `peace` well many will think this must be the Lord, (looking for a human deliverer).  

See what I mean? Marilyn.

 

[Diaste]

29 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Diaste,

I think the `peace` in the Middle East has to come first, (local) (pre-trib) then after the Russian war this leader will make peace with Israel. That then will give him much credibility, (nationally). Then for a few years he travels the world deceiving leaders till one day he seems to be assassinated. Then he comes alive & as we know possessed by Satan. The world then acclaims him as their leader, (International).

` I saw one of its heads as if it had been mortally wounded, & his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marvelled & followed the beast.  So they worshipped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; & they worshipped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?` (Rev. 13: 3 & 4) 

I think we need to be careful not to jump too quick for..... if people think the A/C is round the next corner & they see the Russian war & think it is Armageddon, then when the A/C arises & brings `peace` well many will think this must be the Lord, (looking for a human deliverer).  

See what I mean? Marilyn.

 

Sure, if one sees a pretrib rapture. I don't. From what I have witnessed over the last 30+ years in the Mideast it's going to take military might and great authority to make peace in Israel. Since 1948 no one has come close, nor does it seem any are willing to make peace or have the stones to make the peace stick. I know the big  point of contention is the Temple Mount. Did you know the Temple Mount is under Arab control? Now isn't that just mind boggling? Imagine how the Jews feel about that. Having to look at the blasphemy of the Dome of the Rock everyday for 70 years? The Jews want the Temple Mount back and they want to reconstruct the Temple of God.  The Jews cannot do this unilaterally; that would invite attack by the entire Muslim world and Israel would be destroyed. The Arabs are going to have to agree to let the Jews rebuild the Temple and share the Mount with the Dome of the Rock. Recently there has been calls by prominent Arabs to allow the Jews to build the Temple. Did you know the Jews have been ready for many years with all the materials and accoutrements necessary to build the Temple and begin the Temple rituals?

The reason I say all that leads to the point: Whoever is going to make peace with the Jews and allow the Temple to stand again will need to have enormous influence over both the Muslim world and the Jews. The Temple must stand again so the A of D can occur. Since that's true the Temple must stand again before the midst of the week. As you pointed out above only after the head wound is healed does the world, including Muslims and Islam, wonder, "Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?" The beast now has the authority of the supernatural dragon and the worship of the world. Now the Temple could be rebuilt as the beast will control the Muslim hordes, and indeed the entire world. 

Do I think at the point the beast is killed and resurrected that everyone recognizes him as the beast? No way. He will come back to life and tell the world that he has had a change of heart, he's a new man,  immortal, transcendent, pure and kind and holy; and it will be a lie; and the world will believe him. At this point he will take over the three counties as foretold by prophecy and the other 7 will willingly follow him. He will control the Islamic world and protect the Jews during reconstruction of the Temple. Then at the midpoint everything will change as he sits in the Temple and proclaims himself to be God.

From what I see in scripture the beast will rise at the onset of the last week. The head wound and healing will occur under the 1st seal and the beast will begin to conquer through deceit and flattery. The death and resurrection of the beast is what is coming very soon, well before the midpoint and at the beginning of the week.

I never did understand the Gog and Magog war happening before Jesus returns.  The Gog and Magog war happens  at the end of the millennial kingdom. Rev 20:7-8 " When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison  and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle."

Clearly there is but one Gog and Magog war unless scripture says there is another.

[Marilyn C]

Hi Diaste,

Seems we see some things differently. Now we can talk about our future views till the cows come home, if you know what I mean. Thus I am going to prepare some thoughts on what I see will happen from now till 2020, in these major areas - The Body of Christ, Israel & the Nations -World Religion, Economics & Political. I will post a thread on them. You may want to think about that & also write what you think will happen. It will be interesting to see whose view is lining up as we travel the next few years, ay?

regards, Marilyn.

 

Edited July 21, 2016 by Marilyn C

[Diaste]

On 7/20/2016 at 9:47 PM, Marilyn C said:

Hi Diaste,

 It will be interesting to see whose view is lining up as we travel the next few years, ay?

regards, Marilyn.

 

Very interesting indeed. 

[Endtime_Survivors]

On 4/28/2016 at 4:44 AM, Marilyn C said:

So the striking of the whole image, seems to me to be representative of the dealing of Gentile authority over a specific time, (times of the Gentiles) & the Gentiles lording it over others & the demonic influence over them. The body parts of the image show the individual Gentile World Rulers, however the Great Image, of a man, shows man`s (Gentile) rulership before God sets up His rulership through Christ.

Christ takes away the whole of Gentile rulership (not just the last ruler) that was given by God, as the time of their fulfillment had come.

The way I understand it, the statue is made up of world empires which flow on one from another.  They're all part of the same system.  Then a little stone, not in any way connected to the statue, strikes the statue on it's feet thus destroying it and all the empires which came before it.

Governments, politics, economies, etc; they all have their place but none of them is the kingdom of Heaven. To me, this illustrates what I see as a fairly common theme in the gospels and prophecy; God's kingdom is better than any man-made kingdom.

[Ezra]

On 7/20/2016 at 7:39 PM, Marilyn C said:

And yes ISIS is losing ground,..,

Not according to their almost daily attacks and brutality against innocents. The above is incompetent Kerry's delusion, but ISIS is winning the war at this point.

[Marilyn C]

Hi Ezra,

Thanks for the update.

Marilyn.