Trump: Transgender to use any bathroom they want

[Esther4:14]

25 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

That assessment has been made time after time about Mr. Trump.  He is not the average candidate and I understand his logic here.  He is running as a 'common sense Conservative', something we've never seen before.

Hmm, I don't know that this decision exhibits common sense, or that being a common sense candidate is the appropriate route when you are running on a Republican platform that the conservatives in this country have adopted as the party to represent their interest in more recent political history.  At this point, conservatives need to seriously consider going with and independent candidate because there is no going democrat at this point either.  I am also very surprised that you continue the push for Trump in light of comments like this.  

[MorningGlory]

5 minutes ago, Esther4:14 said:

Hmm, I don't know that this decision exhibits common sense, or that being a common sense candidate is the appropriate route when you are running on a Republican platform that the conservatives in this country have adopted as the party to represent their interest in more recent political history.  At this point, conservatives need to seriously consider going with and independent candidate because there is no going democrat at this point either.  I am also very surprised that you continue the push for Trump in light of comments like this.  

Well, I'm a surprising conservative.  I make my decisions based on analysis of the field.  Cruz and Kasich are not electable, IMO, and I wouldn't even consider the two on the other side. Common sense tells us that the rigid, evangelical, old type conservative ISN'T going to be elected.  They just won't be.  The successful Republican candidate will have to bring in the more moderate Rs and Ds in order to win.  Any candidate's stance on the 'bathroom debate' is just window dressing because it's a state's issue.  The Presidential candidates should announce that fact and move on; all of them.

[ayin jade]

Since this was an attack on trump, what he actually said was that it was better to leave things as they are. Because nc is taking a big economic hit due to their stance, whereas left as it was, there wasnt a problem, that it wasnt upsetting others at all. He also said in his buildings they could use whichever restroom they wished. Isnt that the right of private business? The premise of this thread twisted what he said and what he meant. 

Lets look at how another candidate views it.

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Ohio Gov. John Kasich said Saturday that he would not have signed a bill like the one that was recently passed in North Carolina, where Republican Gov. Pat McCrory approved a controversial measure last month protecting businesses from anti-LGBT discrimination lawsuits and requiring transgender individuals to use public restrooms that correspond with the sex indicated on their birth certificates.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-kasich-i-would-not-have-signed-transgender-restroom-bill-2016-election/

 

 

Does that mean that he is in favor of it? According to how something similar was presented in the beginning of this thread against trump, it would show that he is in favor of transgenders using public restrooms of any gender.

 

[Shayha]

1 hour ago, MorningGlory said:

Making such personal assessments about someone you DON'T KNOW is pretty arrogant.  None of us is qualified to judge the heart of another.  That is God's prerogative. 

I apologize for my arrogance. It's my opinion though that he will simply say anything to win the election based on his words and actions. Especially his statement on an interview he had with O'Reilly where he said he knew his best bet was under the Republican party. But again, forgive me for my previous statement.

[other one]

Shayah,  Mr. Trump has an agenda....   and if you listen to interviews he did as far back as 1978 you will find that he hasn't changed his mind....   Those things he talks about most of the time about trade, policing the world for free and immigration, he has been saying for decades.....    The only way for him to try and fix it would be as president, and he would not be electable on the democratic side of things at this time.....   so he decided to give the Republicans a try.....   and those things he has been putting forth for decades are the same things I have tried to get our legislature to act on and could not.....    our country can't keep going as a free constitutional government much longer with the deals that have been made and are being made, so in my personal opinion the only chance our country has to remain a free constitutional nation depends on Donald Trump getting elected......    I personally would rather see someone like Ben Carson be elected, but he didn't seem to be interested in focusing on those things and proved MG's statement about someone we would approve as a good candidate personality wise just isn't electable.

I am very aware of the down side of Mr. Trump......   but there is no one else on his up side and without that basically in a very sort time we are done....

[OldSchool2]

16 hours ago, ayin jade said:

Since this was an attack on trump, what he actually said was that it was better to leave things as they are....

"Matt Lauer then asked whether Trump has any transgender people working for his company.

"'I really don't know. I probably do. I really don't know,' Trump said, answering that he would allow, say, transgender celebrity Caitlyn Jenner to use whatever bathroom she wanted at Trump Tower...."

Last I heard, Caitlyn still retains her "manhood," so I guess Jenner thought it was better to leave some things as they were as well.

[spiderman1917]

On 4/22/2016 at 4:48 AM, OldSchool2 said:

from Politico:

"Transgender people should be able to use whatever bathroom they want, Donald Trump said Thursday...

"'There have been very few complaints the way it is. People go. They use the bathroom that they feel is appropriate,' Trump said. 'There has been so little trouble. And the problem with what happened in North Carolina is the strife and the economic -- I mean, the economic punishment that they're taking.'

"Matt Lauer then asked whether Trump has any transgender people working for his company.

"'I really don't know. I probably do. I really don't know,' Trump said, answering that he would allow, say, transgender celebrity Caitlyn Jenner to use whatever bathroom she wanted at Trump Tower...."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/trump-transgender-bathrooms-222257

I haven't been watching the news so I just found out about this  today. This really bothers me as I admired so many things about Trump, but this is just disgusting. I can't believe he would approve of such liberal madness.

But still, I would vote for Trump because people need to be speaking the truth about Islam, we don't want them in our country, and they should be singled out.

[MorningGlory]

On 4/22/2016 at 3:41 PM, Shayha said:

I apologize for my arrogance. It's my opinion though that he will simply say anything to win the election based on his words and actions. Especially his statement on an interview he had with O'Reilly where he said he knew his best bet was under the Republican party. But again, forgive me for my previous statement.

Well, you haven't cornered the market on arrogance, Shayha.  I have made some pretty arrogant comments myself over the years and, yes,  I was called on them.  Trump has been evolving over the past seven years or so and has changed a lot.  I can understand this because twenty years ago I was a Clinton Democrat.  I never supported abortion but I was much more liberal then.  People can, and do, change as they get older.  IMO, most of the stuff he has said has set the country back on it's heels.  I don't see him saying much of anything just to be elected.

[MorningGlory]

20 hours ago, Butero said:

I think that was definitely the case with McCain and Romney. Still, I do believe there are people that have a real vision, good or bad for this country.   I do think there is truth in what you are saying.  When Trump got in the race, I don't think he really wanted the be President or thought he would be the front runner.  I still think it was a publicity thing, but now that he has a chance to win, being the competitive person he is, Trump wants to win. 

I don't think he really cares about the wall or the problem with illegals.  I don't believe he is sincerely pro-life.  I do believe that he cares about economic issues, so he will focus on that.  I believe him when he says he thinks the trade deals are unfair to this country, and he wants to come up with new deals more fair to this country.  There is no doubt in my mind he has things he cares about, but I think he is pushing other things he feels he must to win support. 

The Trump supporters believe he is sincere.  I don't, which is why I am not on the Trump bandwagon.  I don't believe the fence will ever get built, even if he is elected.  I admit that I could be proven wrong, but that is my opinion.  I just don't trust him, but as I said in another post, I want to be wrong because I want this country straightened out.  One thing that is different between me and the Trump supporters is that I am pretty much a loyal Republican and always have been.  I just happen to be a very conservative Republican.  I have voted for every Republican nominee going back to Reagan.  When all this tea party stuff got into full swing, I never fully embraced it.  I always admired things about it, and supported the message of getting our fiscal house in order, but there was something about it to where I never considered myself truly a member of the tea party.  I don't support term limits, except by voters making the choice to vote someone out.  I don't seek to replace incumbents if they have had a generally conservative voting record for the new flavor of the month.  I just look for the candidate running that most closely reflects my point of view and get behind him in the primary, and then support the nominee in the general election. 

Lets even consider the charge that many of us make in calling some Republicans RINOs.  I have thought about this, and I am not so sure we are really being accurate when we call people like McCain and Romney a RINO.  That term means Republican In Name Only, and the assumption is that Republicans are always conservative, and they are not.  There are far more moderate Republicans than conservatives and there always have been.  After John Calvin Coolidge it took us till 1980 and the election of Ronald Reagan to have another true conservative President.  If the country was run by center-right Republicans all along, we probably would be ok today.  We wouldn't be the country I ideally desire, but it wouldn't be anywhere near the place we are having had nearly 8 years of an America hating socialist running things.  Lets suppose that after Reagan, Bush had won two terms, followed by Dole followed by George W Bush.  If we never had Clinton or Obama, just one center-right Republican after another, it would have been pretty much the status quo, and things would be just ok, but not on the verge of having an America that we don't recognize and is becoming a banana republic.  The reason why I desire a Ted Cruz type for President is because he is on the opposite side of the political spectrum as Obama, and we need someone far to the right to pull us back to center-right or hopefully further right than that.  Kasich would just manage things as is.  Trump will work on things like trade, which is the issue I think he really cares about.  Neither will fix the problem of moving us back to the right.  Only Cruz will do that.  Of course, this once again comes down to trust.   I don't believe Trump on immigration or most other things he says.  His supporters do.  I just don't find him credible. 

I have to disagree on some things, Butero.  While I would LIKE to see a strong conservative in the White House, it won't happen.  In order to get elected a Republican has to be more moderate than Cruz.  It's just the way things are and I, for one, am willing to go with a moderate conservative rather than the alternative.  Hillary and Bernie are nonstarters for me and must be opposed at all costs.

[MorningGlory]

21 hours ago, Butero said:

Every poll that has come out shows that both Kasich and Cruz do better in a head to head match up with Hillary Clinton.  As a matter of fact, Kasich consistently beats her.  Cruz wins in some polls.  Trump loses in nearly every poll.  Each elections cycle, we are told that we must have more moderate candidates to win, and we got McCain and Romney, and they both lost.  I am not buying into that.  The last true conservative that ran as a Republican and got the nomination was Reagan, and he won in two landslides. 

If you are only looking at electability, clearly the choice would be Kasich.  Not only does he win in nearly every poll, but he is popular in Ohio, a state we must win.  Trump has negatives that are through the roof, even above Hillary Clinton's negatives.  Out of all he arguments made for Trump, I find the notion he is more electable the most far fetched.  In order for Trump to win a general election, he will have to destroy his opponent so bad, people hate that person worse.  He can't win on likability.  The only thing I see going for Trump is his willingness to destroy his opponents, and his celebrity status.  That is it.  I think it is possible that people might vote for him because of the entertainment value.  You would have to hope people like that would join with voters like yourself who are voting for the businessman over the career politician, and that this will lead to Trump pulling off upsets in places like California. 

Early on, I thought Trump would have a decent chance to win over people in places like that, but I am not sure he can overcome the damage he has done to his campaign by some of the things he has said.  The very conservative people in the party may or may not support Trump.  I know that Glen Beck won't vote for him, but he will vote for any other Republican.  I am sure others feel the same way.  I still believe Trump can win in a head to head match up with Hillary, but he will be the hardest one to bring across the finish line.  Cruz would have a challenge as well, but can win by destroying Hillary.  He doesn't have as high of negatives as Trump or Clinton.  I think Kasich would be a slam dunk winner against Clinton.  I honestly don't know what you are basing your opinion on that Kasich is not electable.  We are not in the same place we were 4 years ago.  People don't like Hillary, and they want to vote for a Republican, but they don't like Trump, and truth be known, Cruz is to the right of most Americans.  Kasich would be the safe alternative.  I am willing to admit that is the case, even though I would prefer Cruz. 

The 'common sense' conservatism is what is going to win the election.  Americans are generally right of center or center.  McCain and Romney weren't conservatives, they didn't lose because they were too conservative and they wouldn't have won if they had been further to the right; they lost because they were both BAD candidates with no charisma or clear direction.  At least we have better defined agendas this time around.