2nd Thessalonians two

[GodsSecretary]

2nd Thessalonians two  Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,  2  That ye be no soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.  3  Let no man deceive you by any means; for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

[RustyAngeL]

On 5/3/2016 at 4:03 PM, GodsSecretary said:

2nd Thessalonians two  Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,  2  That ye be no soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.  3  Let no man deceive you by any means; for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

Welcome Secretary.  

You will have to obtain five posts before being able to access other places on Worthy Boards. We look forward to seeing more of you.  Does this passage have special meaning to you and if so what?

[Omegaman 3.0]

42 minutes ago, GodsSecretary said:

2nd Thessalonians two  Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,  2  That ye be no soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.  3  Let no man deceive you by any means; for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

Hi Secretary. Welcome. If the topic interests you, there are a number of posts which discuss it, in the Prophecy / Eschatology section of the forums.

[angels4u]

53 minutes ago, GodsSecretary said:

2nd Thessalonians two  Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,  2  That ye be no soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.  3  Let no man deceive you by any means; for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

 

 

Hi Secretary:)

 

 

 

 

 

 

[missmuffet]

This Scripture could very likely be speaking of the rapture of the Church.

- 2 Thessalonians 2:3

 

I believe that there is a strong possibility that 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is speaking of the rapture. What do I mean? Some pretribulationists, like myself, think that the Greek noun apostasia, usually translated " apostasy," is a reference to the rapture and should be translated " departure." Thus, this passage would be saying that the day of the Lord will not come until the rapture comes before it. If apostasia is a reference to a physical departure, then 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is strong evidence for pretribulationism.

 

The Meaning of Apostasia

The Greek noun apostasia is only used twice in the New Testament. In addition to 2 Thessalonians 2:3, it occurs in Acts 21:21 where, speaking of Paul, it is said, " that you are teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake (apostasia)Moses." The word is a Greek compound of apo " from" and istemi " stand." Thus, it has the core meaning of " away from" or " departure." The Liddell and Scott Greek Lexicon defines apostasia first as " defection, revolt;" then secondly as " departure, disappearance." [1] Gordon Lewis explains how the verb from which the noun apostasia is derived supports the basic meaning of departure in the following:

 

The verb may mean to remove spatially. There is little reason then to deny that the noun can mean such a spatial removal or departure. Since the noun is used only one other time in the New Testament of apostasy from Moses (Acts 21:21), we can hardly conclude that its Biblical meaning is necessarily determined. The verb is used fifteen times in the New Testament. Of these fifteen, only three have anything to do with a departure from the faith (Luke 8;13; 1 Tim. 4:1; Heb 3:12). The word is used for departing from iniquity (2 Tim. 2:19), from ungodly men(1 Tim. 6:5), from the temple (Luke 2:27), from the body (2 Cor. 12:8), and from persons (Acts 12:10; Luke 4:13).[2]

 

" It is with full assurance of proper exegetical study and with complete confidence in the original languages," concludes Daniel Davey, " that the word meaning of apostasia is defined as departure." [3] Paul Lee Tan adds the following:

 

What precisely does Paul mean when he says that " the falling away" (2:3) must come before the tribulation? The definite article " the" denotes that this will be a definite event, an event distinct from the appearance of the Man of Sin. The Greek word for " falling away" , taken by itself, does not mean religious apostasy or defection. Neither does the word mean " to fall," as the Greeks have another word for that. [pipto, I fall; TDI] The best translation of the word is " to depart." The apostle Paul refers here to a definite event which he calls " the departure," and which will occur just before the start of the tribulation. This is the rapture of the church.[4]

 

So the word has the core meaning of departure and it depends upon the context to determine whether it is used to mean physical departure or an abstract departure such as departure from the faith.

 

[missmuffet]

Welcome to Worthy

 

 

[Omegaman 3.0]

On 5/3/2016 at 6:09 PM, bopeep1909 said:

I believe that there is a strong possibility that 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is speaking of the rapture. What do I mean? Some pretribulationists, like myself, think that the Greek noun apostasia, usually translated " apostasy," is a reference to the rapture and should be translated " departure." Thus, this passage would be saying that the day of the Lord will not come until the rapture comes before it. If apostasia is a reference to a physical departure, then 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is strong evidence for pretribulationism.

Eh, not so much, LOL.

The problem with that is that thing that pre-tribbers avoid or neglect so much, context.

Since  Paul is telling them that they should not be troubled by the idea that the Day of the Lord had perhaps, already come. He did say that that this was about the coming of our Lord, and our gathering to Him, so yes, the rapture is part of the context.

However, he did not only say that they should know better, because the apostasia had not occured yet, but:

and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. 5 Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? 

The implication is that they should also know, because the man of lawlessness was not revealed yet. How would they be expected to know that, unless they were to be in the Tribulation in order to see that revelation?