question for pretribbers

[angels4u]

44 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

That is not true.  God's presence is still on the earth and there will still be people saved during the Tribulation.  God will still be here.  There is no place that He is not

Shiloh,don't you think the Restrainer is the Holy Spirit which will be taken out the world when the Christians get raptured and the 144.000 will go out to preach the gospel? 

I know Omega and I have different opinions about this..

[Guest shiloh357]

Just now, angels4u said:

Shiloh,don't you think the Restrainer is the Holy Spirit which will be taken out the world when the Christians get raptured and the 144.000 will go out to preach the gospel? 

I know Omega and I have different opinions about this..

I don't think the Holy Spirit is taken out of the earth.   His ministry as restrainer through the church is removed and He will no longer restrain the devil, but God is omnipresent.  He will still be here.  I think he will be here and will work through the 144,000 who will preach the Gospel.

[angels4u]

3 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

I don't think the Holy Spirit is taken out of the earth.   His ministry as restrainer through the church is removed and He will no longer restrain the devil, but God is omnipresent.  He will still be here.  I think he will be here and will work through the 144,000 who will preach the Gospel.

 

That's what I meant to say...all the prayers against the powers and principalities will be gone  when the Christians  (church) are gone,oh my this will make it even worse to be here~~~

Thank God for the 144.000 who will preach the gospel and since the people will be deceived , do you think the 144.000 will preach the gospel only to the ones who never heard it before am I right ?

[missmuffet]

2 hours ago, The_Patriot2016 said:

I would like to hear your thoughts yes. Im ok with quoting sources, but when I ask someone a question, I want to hear their thoughts, not someone elses. If I wanted got questions thoughts, id just go to got questions. When I see a copy and paste i usually just ignore them for that reason.

My thoughts and opinions are more important than the Holy Word of God?

[missmuffet]

2 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

Everyone who knows me, believers and unbelievers, know I have pretty good library and I have told them that when  I am raptured and  I am gone, I have will have house full of free bibles and Bible study literature that they can take full advantage of and share with their friends. The door will be open, come on in.   I don't have a rapture "packet"  for them, per se, but I have a feeling that when they see they were wrong and realize what happened, they will be "devouring" those spiritual resources without any need of  external motivation of any kind.

Some will but some will be worshipping the Antichrist.

[missmuffet]

1 hour ago, ENOCH2010 said:

not according to some of the pre-trib doctrine on here, I've read it here that the Holy Spirit is to be taken out with the pre-tribbers. With the Holy Spirit gone how will anybody be drawn to the Lord

Then that doctrine is wrong. The Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit will remain on the Earth during the seven year tribulation.

[Guest shiloh357]

8 minutes ago, bopeep1909 said:

Some will but some will be worshipping the Antichrist.

Unfortunately, yes.

[HAZARD]

2 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

His protection is removed.   There is no way anyone would get saved during the Tribulation if God's presence were removed entirely from the earth.  There is an aspect of His presence that will not be active in that the devil will no longer be restrained.  But He will still be there for the Tribulation saints that will be saved during that time period.   He will never leave those who put their faith in Him.

Scripture plainly shows that the Holy Spirit will remain here on the Earth during the tribulation.

America and many other countries, for example Australia,  outside the Old Roman Empire Territory will be one of the many countries which will escape the end time and the Antichrists rule (Dan.11:40-44). Certain countries will make war on him at the very time he is supposed to be ruling the whole world (Dan. 11:40-44).

Because he will reign only over ten countries inside the Roman Empire territory and because America and countries like Australia are not inside that territory and never will be, and because certain countries will escape him we can scripturally conclude that he will never rule America or be a world-wide dictator.

Therefore, multitudes of people of many nations will also never take the mark of the beast and they will never be killed by the Antichrist for not doing so. The Bible speaks of many peoples of many nations that are left after the reign of the Antichrist, people who will be alive in the Millennium and will go up yearly to worship God (Zech. 14:16-21).

The ten kingdoms are to be formed inside the old Roman Empire from the present states in that territory. It is clear that there will be at least another war in Europe, Asia, and Africa in order for this to be fulfilled. When the ten kingdoms are formed, then Daniel 7:23-24 will be fulfilled. These ten kingdoms will be the Revised Roman Empire which is symbolized by the ten toes on the great image of Dan. 2, the ten horns on the fourth beast of Dan. 7:7-8, 19-24, the ten horns on the dragon and the beast of Rev. 12, 13, and 17. This formation of the ten kingdoms will be necessary to fulfill both Dan. 7 and 8.

I suppose America and countries not inside the Roman territory will do what they have always done. They will support those they are aligned with at the time. Scripture also shows that the Arabs will protect Israel during the last three and one half years of this age. In Dan. 11:41 we read that Arabia or ancient Edom and Moab will escape the Antichrist. In Isa. 16:1-5; Ezek. 20:33-35; Matt. 24:15-21; Rev. 12:5-7 we read of Israel fleeing for protection into the wilderness of Edom and Moab, and since they escape the Antichrist and flee into this country for protection, then it is clear that the Arabs protect them during this time. The Bible names the very city in Edom and Moab that Israel will flee to for protection during the tribulation. It is Sela or Petra, the capital of Edom (Isa. 16:1-5; 26:20-21; 63:1-8).

The Holy Spirit will not be withdrawn during the tribulation and after the rapture, as is shown in Joel 2:28-32;

Acts 2:17-21; 17, And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
    18, And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
    19, And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
    20, The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
    21, And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Zech. 12:9-10;  9, And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
    10, And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

John 14:16; And the people to whom they prophesy shall be cast out in the streets of Jerusalem because of the famine and the sword; and they shall have none to bury them, them, their wives, nor their sons, nor their daughters: for I will pour their wickedness upon them.

Rev. 7:9-17;   9, After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
    10, And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
    11, And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
    12, Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
    13, ¶ And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
    14, And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
    15, Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
    16, They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
    17, For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

Rev. 7:9-16 proves that multitudes will be saved during the tribulation, and we know that no man ever has, or will be be saved except through the ministry of the Holy Spirit (John3:5-8; 16:7-11;  Rom. 8:9; Eph. 2:18; 1 Cor. 6:11; Tit. 3:5).

[Guest shiloh357]

52 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

Scripture plainly shows that the Holy Spirit will remain here on the Earth during the tribulation.

America and many other countries, for example Australia,  outside the Old Roman Empire Territory will be one of the many countries which will escape the end time and the Antichrists rule (Dan.11:40-44). Certain countries will make war on him at the very time he is supposed to be ruling the whole world (Dan. 11:40-44).

Because he will reign only over ten countries inside the Roman Empire territory and because America and countries like Australia are not inside that territory and never will be, and because certain countries will escape him we can scripturally conclude that he will never rule America or be a world-wide dictator.

Therefore, multitudes of people of many nations will also never take the mark of the beast and they will never be killed by the Antichrist for not doing so. The Bible speaks of many peoples of many nations that are left after the reign of the Antichrist, people who will be alive in the Millennium and will go up yearly to worship God (Zech. 14:16-21).

The ten kingdoms are to be formed inside the old Roman Empire from the present states in that territory. It is clear that there will be at least another war in Europe, Asia, and Africa in order for this to be fulfilled. When the ten kingdoms are formed, then Daniel 7:23-24 will be fulfilled. These ten kingdoms will be the Revised Roman Empire which is symbolized by the ten toes on the great image of Dan. 2, the ten horns on the fourth beast of Dan. 7:7-8, 19-24, the ten horns on the dragon and the beast of Rev. 12, 13, and 17. This formation of the ten kingdoms will be necessary to fulfill both Dan. 7 and 8.

I suppose America and countries not inside the Roman territory will do what they have always done. They will support those they are aligned with at the time. Scripture also shows that the Arabs will protect Israel during the last three and one half years of this age. In Dan. 11:41 we read that Arabia or ancient Edom and Moab will escape the Antichrist. In Isa. 16:1-5; Ezek. 20:33-35; Matt. 24:15-21; Rev. 12:5-7 we read of Israel fleeing for protection into the wilderness of Edom and Moab, and since they escape the Antichrist and flee into this country for protection, then it is clear that the Arabs protect them during this time. The Bible names the very city in Edom and Moab that Israel will flee to for protection during the tribulation. It is Sela or Petra, the capital of Edom (Isa. 16:1-5; 26:20-21; 63:1-8).

The Holy Spirit will not be withdrawn during the tribulation and after the rapture, as is shown in Joel 2:28-32;

Acts 2:17-21; 17, And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
    18, And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
    19, And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
    20, The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
    21, And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Zech. 12:9-10;  9, And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
    10, And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

John 14:16; And the people to whom they prophesy shall be cast out in the streets of Jerusalem because of the famine and the sword; and they shall have none to bury them, them, their wives, nor their sons, nor their daughters: for I will pour their wickedness upon them.

Rev. 7:9-17;   9, After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
    10, And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
    11, And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
    12, Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
    13, ¶ And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
    14, And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
    15, Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
    16, They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
    17, For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

Rev. 7:9-16 proves that multitudes will be saved during the tribulation, and we know that no man ever has, or will be be saved except through the ministry of the Holy Spirit (John3:5-8; 16:7-11;  Rom. 8:9; Eph. 2:18; 1 Cor. 6:11; Tit. 3:5).

No, the rule of the anti-Christ will over the entire world, and there will no nations left out.  The US will not be spared.   And the wrath of God upon the world/anti-Christ will hit ALL nations, not just the ones in Europe.  I don't know where you get that, but it is not biblical.   Are you still listening to that crazy false teacher Finis Dake?

[angels4u]

11 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

No, the rule of the anti-Christ will over the entire world, and there will no nations left out.  The US will not be spared.   And the wrath of God upon the world/anti-Christ will hit ALL nations, not just the ones in Europe.  I don't know where you get that, but it is not biblical.   Are you still listening to that crazy false teacher Finis Dake?

 

Amen.