Water was not created

[enoob57]

1 hour ago, Mateo said:

All I'm saying is that to say something in the Bible is "there in black and white" is a bit ignorant(no offense) and arrogant. People make a living studying the Bible because some things don't seem black and white.

All I'm saying is that hermeneutic statement of Heb 11:3 if your looking at it God created it!

Hebrews 11:3

[3] πίστει νοοῦμεν κατηρτίσθαι τοὺς αἰῶνας ῥήματι θεοῦ, εἰς τὸ μὴ ἐκ φαινομένων «τὸ βλεπόμενον» γεγονέναι.

NT:5316 φαινομένων   phaino (fah'-ee-no); prolongation for the base of NT:5457; to lighten (shine), i.e. show (transitive or intransitive, literal or figurative):

 

3. Heb 11:3 uses φαινομένων in a philosophical epistemological context, which in the sense of creatio ex nihilo views God's creative word as the primal foundation of the visible world (the
βλεπόμενον : "By faith we understand that the world was created by the word of God, so that what is seen has not come to be from what is perceivable by the senses
φαινομένων " The intention here is to reject a materialistic understanding of creation derived from an evolutionary cosmogony. What is suggested instead is faith in a theocentric creation and its accompanying teleology of ordered cosmic determination by God (cf. Schelkle, Theology I). The vb. occurs with the same meaning in Ign. Rom. 3:2 f. [ET]; Pol. 2:2 [ET].
(from Exegetical Dictionary of the New Testament © 1990 by William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company. All rights reserved.)

Love, Steven

[MorningGlory]

4 minutes ago, Mateo said:

Maybe I could have said that in a more gentle way.

Yes, you might try that.  We already have a lot of insulting of other posters here and it's always been that way.  We all need to TRY to be civil and, in that, I include myself. 

[Mateo]

1 minute ago, MorningGlory said:

Yes, you might try that.  We already have a lot of insulting of other posters here and it's always been that way.  We all need to TRY to be civil and, in that, I include myself. 

Well then let's do that.

[Mateo]

2 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

All I'm saying is that hermeneutic statement of Heb 11:3 if your looking at it God created it!

Hebrews 11:3

[3] πίστει νοοῦμεν κατηρτίσθαι τοὺς αἰῶνας ῥήματι θεοῦ, εἰς τὸ μὴ ἐκ φαινομένων «τὸ βλεπόμενον» γεγονέναι.

NT:5316 φαινομένων   phaino (fah'-ee-no); prolongation for the base of NT:5457; to lighten (shine), i.e. show (transitive or intransitive, literal or figurative):

 

3. Heb 11:3 uses φαινομένων
 in a philosophical epistemological context, which in the sense of creatio ex nihilo views God's creative word as the primal foundation of the visible world (the
βλεπόμενον : "By faith we understand that the world was created by the word of God, so that what is seen has not come to be from what is perceivable by the senses
φαινομένων " The intention here is to reject a materialistic understanding of creation derived from an evolutionary cosmogony. What is suggested instead is faith in a theocentric creation and its accompanying teleology of ordered cosmic determination by God (cf. Schelkle, Theology I). The vb. occurs with the same meaning in Ign. Rom. 3:2 f. [ET]; Pol. 2:2 [ET].
(from Exegetical Dictionary of the New Testament © 1990 by William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company. All rights reserved.)

Love, Steven

I agree that God created water. I was just addressing the stament about the Bible being black and white. What you posted here shows that more study is needed than just seeing it as black and white.

[missmuffet]

6 minutes ago, Mateo said:

Ok, can you give me an example of any I said that was false?

Just review all of the posts on this thread. Pray about what was posted. Let your mind and your eyes digest the truth.

[Mateo]

Just now, bopeep1909 said:

Just review all of the posts on this thread. Pray about what was posted. Let your mind and your eyes digest the truth.

If you can't point it out then you are allowing me to continue in error. I've said many things on this post. Where did I err.

[missmuffet]

4 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

Yes, you might try that.  We already have a lot of insulting of other posters here and it's always been that way.  We all need to TRY to be civil and, in that, I include myself. 

All of the born again Christians on Worthy have to post the truth. The true literal Word of God MG. No we should not call names because that is not the way God wants us to get His Word across to others. But we have to get out the True Word of God. That is very important.

[missmuffet]

2 minutes ago, Mateo said:

If you can't point it out then you are allowing me to continue in error. I've said many things on this post. Where did I err.

You are using an excuse to post false doctrine on Worthy. I did point it out. I said it would be beneficial for you to look at and study what has been written on this thread. Study George's words. He is a great teacher.

[enoob57]

22 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

Amen and well said, Steven. 

I often tell my children I teach - when you run most of the time you practice idolatry without ever realizing it!
You run on the ground because the ground it what holds you up and your faith is in the created substance....
But the truth of God's Word is the ground only performs obedience to God's Word in maintaining what it does
and the minute God removes His Word from it will no longer be what it is... Love, Steven

[Mateo]

2 minutes ago, bopeep1909 said:

You are using an excuse to post false doctrine on Worthy. I did point it out. I said it would be beneficial for you to look at and study what has been written on this thread. Study George's words. He is a great teacher.

I know what I've written. I see no error in it as far as doctrine is concerned. So it might be that you a baring a false witness? 

Please be careful