Mat.5:21 We must judge or We must not resist an evil person 5:39?

[Willa]

We are never to stand in judgement of others, condemning them to hell.   We may consider sin and try to convince them to turn from sin, knowing that we also are capable of falling.  This is to be done in all humility, compassion and gentleness.  The evangelists who yell at people that they are going to hell do not have a good attitude according to Scripture.  

2Ti 2:24  ESV And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil,  2:25  correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth,Gal 6:1  Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted.

[Ogner]

6 minutes ago, Jayne said:

You are confusing the word judgment in John 7 with something punitive or for correction's sake.

What are you trying to say, We can not judge righteous judgment?

In Matthew 5:39,40 Jesus say about litigation.

39 " But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.”

It is a particularly arbitrary form of individual justice, whereby the men of a family, clan, group or village act as judge, jury and executioner. If you are a victim of a crime you must go to court

40 "And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well."

If plaintiff wants to sue defendant and to take his shirt, defendant must give him coat also.

Jesus changes the commandment

38 "You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth."

But now "Two eyes for eye, and two teeth for tooth.".

 

[Ogner]

30 minutes ago, Jayne said:

No one in this thread has said not to tell people about sin or not to help them turn from sin.

Your OP was about people being angry without cause being under judgment contradicting Jesus word's about turning the other cheek.

So what must we do to accomplish the deeds God requires?

[Ogner]

28 minutes ago, Willa said:

We are never to stand in judgement of others, condemning them to hell.   We may consider sin and try to convince them to turn from sin, knowing that we also are capable of falling.  This is to be done in all humility, compassion and gentleness.  The evangelists who yell at people that they are going to hell do not have a good attitude according to Scripture.  

Not about this topic. For example.  I didn't say that we must to stand in judgement of others, condemning them to hell.

We should not forgive all those who insults us.
Moreover how can we forgive those who sins against us if they are not repentant?

We are not tasked to forgive as Jesus does; God forgives the sin and forgets it - erases it from His memory. We are not tasked to forget those sins against us, only to forgive. So many Christians stumble by saying, "Forgive and forget". Nowhere in the bible does it tell us to forgive and forget... only forgive. Many also try to say, "Judge not" - without reading the whole scripture in context, as you say. There's plenty of scripture to support that we are told, by God, that we must judge... and instructions on how to do so properly, as well as what would be considered improper judgement.

[LeavesSeeds]

34 minutes ago, Ogner said:

So what must we do to accomplish the deeds God requires?

Seek God's Kingdom, and much will be revealed to you that is revealed to few if any in your life, most places.

Found this on a search for other topic,  yet seems appropriate here also (since demons are so prolific worldwide)

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[Jayne]

54 minutes ago, Ogner said:

What are you trying to say, We can not judge righteous judgment?

In Matthew 5:39,40 Jesus say about litigation.

39 " But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.”

It is a particularly arbitrary form of individual justice, whereby the men of a family, clan, group or village act as judge, jury and executioner. If you are a victim of a crime you must go to court

40 "And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well."

If plaintiff wants to sue defendant and to take his shirt, defendant must give him coat also.

Jesus changes the commandment

38 "You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth."

But now "Two eyes for eye, and two teeth for tooth.".

 

John 7 is not about litigation.

John 7 is about Pharisees looking at Jesus and calling him a sinner.  Jesus tells them that they have "judged" him wrongly.  Judge - meaning looking at someone and evaluating their lifestyle and their walk with God and calling them saved or lost.

Jesus tells them that they have not evaluated who he is correctly.

Just with proper judgment.

[Ogner]

42 minutes ago, Jayne said:

John 7 is not about litigation.

John 7 is about litigantion too.

Jesus doesn't say, "Judge not". He say, " judge righteous judgment".

Edited May 27, 2016 by Ogner

[Willa]

Mat 5:43 ESV "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'

Mat 5:44  But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

Mat 5:45  so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

Mat 5:46  For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?

Mat 6:12  and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.

Mat 6:13  And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

Mat 6:14  For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you,

Mat 6:15  but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

 

[Ogner]

2 hours ago, Willa said:

Mat 5:43 ESV "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'

Mat 5:44  But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

Mat 5:45  so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

Whom should we love? criminals, murderer, burglar, rapist... ? Which kinds of enemies we must demonstrate love?

In Romans 12:20 Paul quotes the words of Proverbs 25:21 "If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat;" 

Hebrew text versions are used word  (נַאֲךָ)  saw-nay'  - adversary, opponent

Then compare with Exodus 15:9 "The enemy boasted, ‘I will pursue, I will overtake them. I will divide the spoils; I will "

Hebrew  text - (אֹויֵב) o-yabe' - enemy combatant

If your [(נַאֲךָ)  saw-nay' ] is hungry, give him food to eat. But if If your [(אֹויֵב) o-yabe'] is hungry, leave him alone.

Now about guilty to crimes

Exodus 20:13 "You shall not murder."

Hebrew  text - (תִּֿרְצָֽח׃) raw-tsakh'  - murder.

Bible say about guilty to crimes. How do we define them and what should we do with them? (Numbers 35:16, 21, 31; and Deuteronomy 22:25)  Deuteronomy 13:9 "you must kill him without fail!"

Bible say about killing in war Numbers 31:7 " They fought against Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and killed every man. "

Hebrew  text - (תַּֽהַרְגֶנּוּ) haw-rag'  -kill, put them to death.

You shall not [(תִּֿרְצָֽח׃) raw-tsakh' ]  but you must [ (תַּֽהַרְגֶנּוּ) haw-rag' ] the guilty criminals

Edited May 27, 2016 by Ogner

[Ogner]

15 hours ago, Willa said:

Mat 5:46  For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?

Mat 6:12  and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.

Mat 6:13  And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

Mat 6:14  For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you,

Mat 6:15  but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

 

+ Matthew 7:1,2: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. ² For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

Every stick has two ends.

Jeremiah 22:3 "Thus says the Lord: Do justice and righteousness, and deliver from the hand of the oppressor him who has been robbed. And do no wrong or violence to the alien, the fatherless, and the widow, nor shed innocent blood in this place.".

Jeremiah 22:26 "He judged the cause of the poor and needy; then it was well. Is not this to know me? says the Lord.".

Psalm 82:3,4 "Judge the poor and fatherless: Do justice to the afflicted and destitute. Rescue the poor and needy: Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked.".

More generally Jesus say, "Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.  If you do not judge others, your heavenly Father will not be judge between you and your abuser. When people take a neutral stand between you and your abuser, they are in effect abandoning you. If you do not judge others, and you will not be judged. And that's bad. "