Should we be looking for the same Return?

[Kan]

2 hours ago, bopeep1909 said:

You are right the word "rapture" is not written in the Bible just as the word " Holy Trinity" is not written in the Bible.

I believe you, but I want proof of the rapture, like there is proof of the Father Son and Holy Spirit.

[Kan]

2 hours ago, Ezra said:

That's not how it works.  The New Heavens and the New Earth come after the Millennium and some other events (Revelation 20-22).

That's what the Bible says, but there are a lot of people who believe that Jesus will reign on earth, with Israel as a nation or whatever.

[missmuffet]

8 minutes ago, Kan said:

I believe you, but I want proof of the rapture, like there is proof of the Father Son and Holy Spirit.

Well I guess time will tell. If there are a bunch of people mysteriously gone I don't think the mother ship came to take them away.

[Kan]

16 minutes ago, bopeep1909 said:

Well I guess time will tell. If there are a bunch of people mysteriously gone I don't think the mother ship came to take them away.

[Kan]

2 hours ago, Ezra said:

You should have done some research before making such a statement.

Greek harpagesometha = caught up together = Latin rapiermur = English Rapture

I agree, it is a legitimate word here. Just I don't see such an event as described by some organisations, people disappearing, happening as a separate event to the end of the world and the return of Christ.

[Ezra]

1 hour ago, Kan said:

I agree, it is a legitimate word here. Just I don't see such an event as described by some organisations, people disappearing, happening as a separate event to the end of the world and the return of Christ.

People "disappearing" is exactly what you find in 1 Thess 4.  Enoch also disappeared when he was taken up (translated) to Heaven (Heb 11:5), and so will millions of Christians. This does not happen "at the end of the world" but could happen tomorrow. Even the return of Christ will not be the end of the world. So to get a better understanding, here is the sequence of events:

1. The Resurrection/Rapture (imminent)

2. The Tribulation (3 1/2 years)

3. The Great Tribulation (3 1/2 years less a few months)

4. Cataclysmic cosmic events (the heavens shaken)

5. The Second Coming of Christ

6. The Battle of Armageddon

7. The salvation of Jews from around the world

8. The Millennial Kingdom

9. The Battle of Gog and Magog

10. The Great White Throne Judgement

11. The New Heavens and the New Earth (the end of the world as we know it).

12. The Kingdom of God established throughout the universe.

[missmuffet]

7 minutes ago, Ezra said:

People "disappearing" is exactly what you find in 1 Thess 4.  Enoch also disappeared when he was taken up (translated) to Heaven (Heb 11:5), and so will millions of Christians. This does not happen "at the end of the world" but could happen tomorrow. Even the return of Christ will not be the end of the world. So to get a better understanding, here is the sequence of events:

1. The Resurrection/Rapture (imminent)

2. The Tribulation (3 1/2 years)

3. The Great Tribulation (3 1/2 years less a few months)

4. Cataclysmic cosmic events (the heavens shaken)

5. The Second Coming of Christ

6. The Battle of Armageddon

7. The salvation of Jews from around the world

8. The Millennial Kingdom

9. The Battle of Gog and Magog

10. The Great White Throne Judgement

11. The New Heavens and the New Earth (the end of the world as we know it).

12. The Kingdom of God established throughout the universe.

Millions missing? I don't know. Do you think there are that many born again true believers?

[Kan]

3 hours ago, Ezra said:

People "disappearing" is exactly what you find in 1 Thess 4.  Enoch also disappeared when he was taken up (translated) to Heaven (Heb 11:5), and so will millions of Christians. This does not happen "at the end of the world" but could happen tomorrow. Even the return of Christ will not be the end of the world. So to get a better understanding, here is the sequence of events:

1. The Resurrection/Rapture (imminent)

2. The Tribulation (3 1/2 years)

3. The Great Tribulation (3 1/2 years less a few months)

4. Cataclysmic cosmic events (the heavens shaken)

5. The Second Coming of Christ

6. The Battle of Armageddon

7. The salvation of Jews from around the world

8. The Millennial Kingdom

9. The Battle of Gog and Magog

10. The Great White Throne Judgement

11. The New Heavens and the New Earth (the end of the world as we know it).

12. The Kingdom of God established throughout the universe.

Thanks for putting it so clearly, here is what I have gleaned.

1. The mark of the beast

2. The plagues/wrath of God

3. The return of Christ/resurrection/deliverance of the saints

4. The earth lies in desolation, Satan has no one to tempt

5. The end of 1000 years, The New Jerusalem comes down,

    the wicked are raised, they surround the city to take it, they are judged and destroyed,

    and the world is recreated.

[Ezra]

5 hours ago, bopeep1909 said:

Millions missing? I don't know. Do you think there are that many born again true believers?

Neither you nor I know.  Only God knows.  And Christians are not limited to North America.

[missmuffet]

8 hours ago, Ezra said:

Neither you nor I know.  Only God knows.  And Christians are not limited to North America.

Yes,I am talking worldwide.