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[SIC]

2 minutes ago, angels4u said:

You didn't answer my question,when is your life not  good enough as a born again Christian   that God  will disown you and you're not part of His family anymore?

Isiah 64:6

New International Version All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.

 

If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commands and remain in his love.

So one would think if one doesnt keep his commands one will not remain in His Love

[angels4u]

Just now, SIC said:

If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commands and remain in his love.

So one would think if one doesnt keep his commands one will not remain in His Love

 

How can you keep them?

Do you keep them all the time ?

[Guest shiloh357]

4 minutes ago, SIC said:

 

So you are saying once we are in Christ there is no falling away. Only the ones who are not His from the beginning seemingly fall away. Is that right?

Let me illustrate it this way:   A good grandparent has the power to hurt/kill their 6 month old grandchild.  But they would never dream of doing that.  There is nothing in them that would ever prompt them to commit such an act.  Just the mere mention of something like that is offensive and awful to think about.

The same holds true for the person who is truly born again.   There is nothing in the heart of a genuine follower of Jesus that would ever prompt them to go off and live in sin, nothing that would ever cause them to forsake the Lord.   They have the power to do it, but not the will to do it.   Again, we all stumble, but the genuine Christian is remorseful and repentant and goes to the Lord for forgiveness.   They don't enjoy sin.

The person who can go to church but live in sin, is only deceiving himself.   He might have "religion,"  but he doesn't have Jesus and he needs to repent and get saved.   Some people think they are Christians, but what they have accepted is a form of Christianity that doesn't have Christ in it.   They were born into a Christian family, always went to church and yet have no foundation in themselves because they never made a decision for Jesus.  They never consciously accepted him into their heart.    When we see people like that living in sin, we mistakenly think they have "fallen away"  when the truth is that they are doing what unregenerate sinners do.

[SIC]

Just now, angels4u said:

How can you keep them?

Do you keep them all the time ?

I break them occasionally I don't deny it. But I always have the INTENTION of keeping them. I suppose when one loses the INTENTION of keep them and doesn't turn back from that position till the very end. God rejects them.

And in any case I really don't understand why Jesus would say " IF YOU KEEP MY COMMANDS....." to His Disciples. I suppose it means that there is a possibility of them not keeping the Commands

[angels4u]

7 minutes ago, SIC said:

If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commands and remain in his love.

So one would think if one doesnt keep his commands one will not remain in His Love

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, SIC said:

I break them occasionally I don't deny it. But I always have the INTENTION of keeping them. I suppose when one loses the INTENTION of keep them and doesn't turn back from that position till the very end. God rejects them.

And in any case I really don't understand why Jesus would say " IF YOU KEEP MY COMMANDS....." to His Disciples. I suppose it means that there is a possibility of them not keeping the Commands

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So Sic when comes the point of rejection?

If you want to keep the commandments you have to keep the whole law:

 

• James 2:10, "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all."
• Gal. 3:10, "For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, 'Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to 
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• How do you retain your Salvation?
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• How can you get to heaven by your own works? Did Jesus not finish it?

[kwikphilly]

Blessings SIC,,,

The most important & significant WORD in all the Bible to me is this "IF",,,,,,

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And in any case I really don't understand why Jesus would say " IF YOU KEEP MY COMMANDS....." to His Disciples. I suppose it means that there is a possibility of them not keeping the Commands

But not there(above),,,,,,Here,,,,,,,

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"If you love Me, you will keep My commands.                                                      John 14:15

See,that is the point,,,,,,"IF" we love Jesus than we WILL,,,,,,,,                        With love-in Christ,Kwik

I understand what you are saying & I personally do not ever take my Salvation for granted as though I would imagine myself above being beyond any temptation or lures of this world,not saying that there is anything I do or don't do that can cause me to "lose" my Salvation ,,,,,but I do consider the "choice",,,,,,,,I don't believe that anyone can lose their Salvation,not accidentally or by unknowingly do something against God,,,,,,,,no,not at all,,,,,,,,,,again,I do not think OSAS is a proper term & I do not leave out that some person could not want to hold on to the Grace of God

I guess what I am saying is that if the devil ,who was in the Presence of God Himself,in Heaven,Embraced by the Glory of God,could give that all up then perhaps someone would?There is no Scripture that tells me this is not possible except that Jesus said "IF" you love ME,,,,,,,I think if you truly LOVE HIM,you are Saved & would never want to leave Him......that's all I'm saying ,I believe I just don't like the term OSAS,sounds pretty arrogant,it is truly ALL About the Finished Work on the CRoss & only through Jesus,A Precious Gift that I would not want to chance by thinking I could do whatever I please,,,,,,I suppose it is because I am Saved that I just can never do enough to say "Thank You Jesus"        (just some thoughts)

[Guest Thallasa]

On ‎18‎/‎06‎/‎2016 at 6:18 PM, post said:

is that right? 


But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
(Romans 4:5) 

If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.
(2 Timothy 2:13) 


in Genesis 15, a description is given of an ancient way of confirming a covenant, contract or agreement - Abraham prepared some animals, divided them in two, and then laid them out on the ground. the normal practice was for the two parties to the contract to both walk between the pieces of the animals ((i'm told)). 
however the Lord confirmed the covenant with Abraham while Abraham was asleep. Abraham played no role in this covenant, but to believe God. satisfaction of the terms of the agreement was not contingent on Abraham, but on God alone. 
Zach, your blood wasn't spilled on the heavenly altar. you didn't atone for your sin - all of it - He did these things. 

my faith is not in my own faithfulness, but in God's faithfulness towards me. this is how we can say, we have peace with God, gratitude, and joy - because what we can never do, He has done for us - and we "endure to the end" by remaining steadfast in this hope, not setting aside the faith and trust in the finished work of Christ by which we were declared holy, sanctified forever and saved, by grace, apart from works. 

So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.
(Romans 9:16) 

if it only depends on His mercy, not on my will, not on my effort -- what, does His mercy fail? 

what can separate me from His love? 
oh yeah -- NOTHING !! 

I note how selective the OSAS people are in their quotes . Interesting as I thought you would know better .

[FresnoJoe]

1 hour ago, SIC said:

If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commands and remain in his love.

So one would think if one doesn't keep his commands....
one will not remain in His Love....

Jesus

Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 

Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. John 15:3-4

And The Beloved

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. John 15:10-12

Love, Your Brother Joe

[Guest Thallasa]

7 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

What I am saying is that a truly saved person doesn't live in sin, and has no will to live in sin and does not enjoy sin.   None of us are perfect and we all stumble, but that's why we have the grace of God and the blood of Jesus.   Jesus had paid the death penalty for sin.  The authentic believer has no fear of losing salvation because God isn't going to change His mind about saving us.   God doesn't throw us way when we mess up.

Well that is different, than saying if you believe and say with your mouth etc; No He does'nt throw us away when we mess up ,but if there is no cooperation from us ,it indicates arrogance and a lack of Love . We are not talking about messing up, we are talking about relationship   . In all relationships which have any value, both sides try to please in some way or other .

God says He made us in His image so we are not act like lazy pigs ,but like His children .

[woundeddog]

1 hour ago, kwikphilly said:

,,,seems highly unlikely to me that anyone would choose to serve satan after Receiving Salvation but that is about the size of it,what I replied with previously

Dear Sister-- I don't think we could choose to serve Satan after accepting the Lord-- the book says Greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world--- so I am thinking the Lord would not allow a true believer to chose to serve Satan. I think by the grace of God we would be protected from such a choice by the Holy Spirit