Running Gator Posted August 5, 2016 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.70 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 5, 2016 2 minutes ago, wincam said: yes - but I do not have access to the sources - it seems these were the children of the other Mary sister to His mother and the wife of Clopas[Jn.19:25] - wincam no mention of cousins or brothers. So, the question still stands...The Bible tells us Jesus had siblings, where did they come from if not from Mary. Would you please answer this question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKay Posted August 5, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 12 Topic Count: 385 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 7,692 Content Per Day: 1.93 Reputation: 4,809 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/28/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 5, 2016 I still don't get why this is such an issue? So some think Mary didn't have more children some think she did. When we get to heaven we can ask her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted August 5, 2016 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.70 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 5, 2016 30 minutes ago, LadyKay said: I still don't get why this is such an issue? So some think Mary didn't have more children some think she did. When we get to heaven we can ask her. If Mary is no longer a virgin it changes her place in the Catholic Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 30 minutes ago, LadyKay said: I still don't get why this is such an issue? So some think Mary didn't have more children some think she did. When we get to heaven we can ask her. Because part of the idolatry of Mary is that she is a perpetual, sinless virgin. It's an issue because it goes to the very heart of the worship of Mary that takes place in the RCC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeCajunboy Posted August 5, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 113 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,430 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 33 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/24/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/28/1952 Share Posted August 5, 2016 4 hours ago, shiloh357 said: Technically, they were his half brothers and half sisters since Jesus was not the son of Joseph. But nevertheless, they are called his brothers and sisters and kicking against the goads will not change what the Bible says. The Catholics deny the plain reading of the text and Greek and impose an inferior and sloppy hermeneutic when it comes to the Bible. When you SAY TECHNICALLY, aren't you saying, "speaking from secular viewpoint" speaking of half-brother and Jesus being born of Supernatural conditions hardy infers a Secular explanation.... In God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FresnoJoe Posted August 5, 2016 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 208 Topic Count: 60 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,651 Content Per Day: 1.17 Reputation: 5,761 Days Won: 4 Joined: 01/31/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/04/1943 Share Posted August 5, 2016 9 hours ago, wincam said: it is not in the bible that Mary had children other than Jesus.... so where did Protestants get it from that she did.... and why do they still believe it and accept it.... Beloved Some Folk Insist Dear Mary Faked Her Wedding Vows Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. Matthew 1:24-25 Yet The Holy Bible Clearly Shows Us Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things? Matthew 13:55=56 Mary Was True Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him. Mark 6:3 ~ Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING The LORD bless thee, and keep thee: The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee: The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace. And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27 Love, Your Brother Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted August 5, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.22 Reputation: 11,242 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted August 5, 2016 4 hours ago, wincam said: according to the Jews of the day and the Protestants of today, according to their bible and interpretation they did and it was Joseph for "thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing"[Lk.2:48] - wincam In context, that was mary talking to Jesus. So is joseph the father of Jesus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted August 5, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.22 Reputation: 11,242 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted August 5, 2016 2 hours ago, wincam said: yes - but I do not have access to the sources - it seems these were the children of the other Mary sister to His mother and the wife of Clopas[Jn.19:25] - wincam That is not stated in scripture. Those women existed but no children are mentioned of theirs. That verse merely mentions who else stood with mary when Jesus was crucified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 36 minutes ago, MeCajunboy said: When you SAY TECHNICALLY, aren't you saying, "speaking from secular viewpoint" speaking of half-brother and Jesus being born of Supernatural conditions hardy infers a Secular explanation.... In God. No, technically does not mean "secular viewpoint." I am speaking from the fact that biologically, they are Jesus' half siblings since they have the same mother but not the same father as Jesus has no earthly father. Seems like you are making something out of nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wincam Posted August 5, 2016 Group: Junior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 114 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 61 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/09/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 5, 2016 2 hours ago, Out of the Shadows said: no mention of cousins or brothers. So, the question still stands...The Bible tells us Jesus had siblings, where did they come from if not from Mary. Would you please answer this question? so why do you believe that because it is not stated and believe the other that is also not stated - wincam 22 minutes ago, ayin jade said: That is not stated in scripture. Those women existed but no children are mentioned of theirs. That verse merely mentions who else stood with mary when Jesus was crucified. as already pointed out it is not stated in scripture that Mary had other children so why do you believe in one case and not the other- you must not accept your own interpretations as and when and what and which you fancy or favour - wincam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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