Outer Darkness

[Marilyn C]

On ‎6‎/‎08‎/‎2016 at 8:54 AM, kwikphilly said:

Blessings....

    I was reading a Thread here about God is Light   the OP speaks asks about the nature of light,light from the Solar Sun, but what is the nature of that light from a scientific standpoint?  He says light makes up both visible and invisible attributes.  Doesn't God have both visible and invisible attributes?  Anyway, I started to think about the opposite,darkness,the outer darkness..........out of the Presence of God....     What is the nature of darkness & "outer darkness" from a scientific standpoint? Gods Word says this is the place that the unprofitable servant will go,where?The fallen angels left their first estate,Heaven....the Presence of God,right? But God is everywhere,isn't He?

I have some thoughts I will share later but I'm wondering what y'all have to contribute,I know Saved.One & post will offer much-lol     Praise Jesus!

 

                                                                                                                                                                          With love-in Christ,Kwik

Hi kwikphilly,

Interesting topic there. God`s word tells us that Christ is the true light.

`For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.` (2 Cor. 4: 6)

The true nature of man is clearly taught in Christ`s own words. if man is a physical being only, he could be sustained by physical sustenance, but the Word of God declares he cannot be sustained by bread alone, nor can he be satisfied by material things. This proves that man has capacities & faculties that are spiritual.

So it is I believe that one who does not receive `light` illumination of spirit, is therefore in darkness, not comprehending the light. God Himself though can quite easily see that person, although they are blind. Thus `outer darkness` to my understanding is when people & angels do not receive, comprehend the attributes of Christ by the spirit. There is an `emptiness,` a `pain` as all joy come from knowing Christ. (as we well know, ay sis.)

regards, Marilyn.

[Marilyn C]

I thought these scriptures added to the conversation too -

`In Him was life, & the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, & the darkness did not comprehend it.` (John 1: 4 & 5)

`(Christ) was the true light which gives light to every man who comes into the world.` (John 1: 9)

The light of the sun & darkness when not seen, to me are just physical examples of the true light of Christ`s eternal attributes. To not know Christ is to dwell in darkness.

`To give light to those who sit in darkness & the shadow of death...` (Luke 1: 79)

Remember Christ is called `The Sun of Righteousness.` Righteousness is His eternal attributes & character - true Light.

Marilyn.

Edited September 15, 2016 by Marilyn C

[kwikphilly]

I keep losing everything I write today,auto Save does not seem to be working & I am getting a bit frustrated-lol

Saved One,dear Brother....you are not derailing this Thread at all,as a matter of fact your response is exactly the direction I was headed(imagine that?-lol)    I personally believe there are many more dimensions than we can ever dream of & yes,yes,yes our prideful,carnal,finite minds can easily & unintentionally put limitations on Almighty God & what we perceive because we cannot begin to comprehend eternity/infinity   What we think we SEE is as far as we can understand as reality(our reality) ,even spiritually as Marilyn was saying,are just the physical examples

Abdicate also offered some food for thought,as we are housed in flesh we do 'feel",perhaps this dimension is all about spirituality 101,preparing us for phase 2,the transition from here to eternity.......the Word does say that we see dimly,darkly...in part

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1 Corinthians 13:12King James Version (KJV)

¹² For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Saved One,feel free to expound-lol                                                        With love-in Christ,Kwik

[Dennis1209]

On 8/6/2016 at 5:47 PM, kwikphilly said:

Blessings Beloved

We do need them,where are they when you want to hear their "theories" & all that "Greek"-lol    Seriously,there are many Scripture verses than suggest the expansion of this universe is still going on,right(I don't want to go off Topic so I won't quote them) & then we get an idea that GOd is very very BIG,He measure the waters with His Hand,the dust of the earth in a hand basket,etc,,,etc,,,,plus His Word tells us He is EVERYWHERE(omnipresent)

Are these just the places He told us about because our finite minds cannot grasp other realms,obviously there are other realms that are invisible to us where He,His Spirit ,the Angels & Jesus in His Glorified Body are,another dimension that is invisible to us & yet it is right here with us......or are there also far far away places that we cannot see ,what some call deep outer space......apparently IF God so chooses He can be anywhere He wants to be or not,He does not want anything defiled by sin near Him.......Anyway,since the universe may be expanding & God is not bound by space or time can it be that these places are not yet here because we are bound by time & they are not yet made by God even though He has made them because He is outside of the confines of "time".....lol,Oh dear,see what I mean? Before I go on a "what if" journey I want to hear from the others.....so they can verify I flipped my lid                                                                        Love you Sis,Kwik

Nope, you haven't flipped your lid   It is an interesting subject though. I too believe time was created for us and we may live in more than a four dimensional world we can not see into. Based on a Biblical example of a donkey, of which I forgot where it is at the moment, I took it as if that donkey (maybe other animals too) was seeing something in the spiritual world. Now I'm going to have to hunt that one up.

I previously said 'four' because along with Einstein, it has pretty much been proven 'time' is a fabric and physical property and changes depending on the person, speed and gravity. Time is not the same for everyone. It's pretty much been proven we live in a digital simulation, compared to an analog. 

Examples: With analog anything in theory you could keep dividing it forever. With both matter and time, once you divide it down to roughly 10 to the 33 power, it ceases to exist at all. Least wise, that's the stuff I've been studying anyway. It makes sense that if the supernatural acts with and upon us, they have to be here at the same place and same time. A dimension we can not see into would fit very nicely I think?

Edited October 6, 2016 by Dennis1209

[kwikphilly]

Ahhh Balaams donkey,know that one well (Numbers 22:21-39)    I agree,it does fit nicely,doesn't it?   LOL

 

 

[Enoch2021]

On 10/6/2016 at 4:18 PM, Dennis1209 said:

 

I previously said 'four' because along with Einstein, it has pretty much been proven 'time' is a fabric and physical property and changes depending on the person, speed and gravity. Time is not the same for everyone.

 

Time is Physical??   Well all "Physical" things have Chemical Structure and Location; so, can you please post those...?

Einstein "Proved" this, eh?  How so...?  

Please post the Formal Scientific Hypothesis then Experiment (TEST) that validates your claim...? Highlight the "Independent Variable" used in the TEST...?

 

TIME is a "Conceptual" relationship between 2 motions.  Specifically, it's based on an "Alleged" single rotation of the Earth on it's axis in respect to the Sun (A Day). 
It's a "CONCEPT" (Non-Physical).  It is without Chemical Formula/Structure, no Dimensionality/Orthogonality, and no Direction or Location.  You can't put some in a jar and paint in red.  

I mean c'mon now, let's reason together....can you Dilate/Bend Warp Non-Physical "Concepts"?? 
Is it your contention that if you have Poison Ivy on the brain you could scratch it by thinking of Sand Paper??

That which you are using to measure....isn't the thing you're measuring.  

** A Football Field is 100 Yards long but a Football Field isn't Yardsticks!! If I bend a Yardstick... does the Football Field Bend also? **

So if something affects say...Cesium Atomic Clocks, or any modern "Clock" for that matter, does that then IPSO FACTO mean the Earth's "Alleged" rotation is Affected?
These Two Mytho-matheMagical Fairytales (sr and gr) were falsified 30 seconds after their respective publications by 3rd graders @ recess, for goodness sakes.
IN TOTO, each are Massive Reification Fallacies on Nuclear Steroids!!

If you need the Quantum Mechanical Falsification of these Mytho-matheMagical Trainwrecks, don't hesitate to request.

Are you also aware that "Time and Space" are UTTERLY MEANINGLESS in Quantum Mechanics...?  If you need an Example/Validation, just ask.

 

Gravity??  Which One...EnsHteinian or Newtonian??  The reason I'm asking, is recently I've been getting BOMBARDED with Newtonian gravity on the "Secular Circuit".  And since each are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE I don't wanna waste 'Time' taking one to the Woodshed when you're adhering to another.

If 'gravity' is a Scientific Theory,  then you MUST validate it's CAUSE...?

If 'gravity' is a Scientific Law, then you must show it in Quantum Mechanics...?  Why??  Well...

"The Laws of Physics are always Quantum Mechanical Laws...you don't have separate laws for big and small things. The real question is: how do these very same laws when applied to big things, by big things I mean the things you see in daily life, GIVE THE IMPRESSION that the world is Newtonian?". {emphasis mine}

Ramamurti Shankar; Professor of Physics, Yale. 

Quantum Mechanics II.  (33:50 minute mark)

Also, Is gravity a "Force" ??

 

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It's pretty much been proven we live in a digital simulation, compared to an analog. 

Yep.  Kudos to you for recognizing it.  May I ask, what led you to this conclusion...?

 

regards

[RustyAngeL]

30 minutes ago, Enoch2021 said:

Time is Physical??   Well all "Physical" things have Chemical Structure and Location; so, can you please post those...?

Einstein "Proved" this, eh?  How so...?  

Please post the Formal Scientific Hypothesis then Experiment (TEST) that validates your claim...? Highlight the "Independent Variable" used in the TEST...?

 

TIME is a "Conceptual" relationship between 2 motions.  Specifically, it's based on an "Alleged" single rotation of the Earth on it's axis in respect to the Sun (A Day). 
It's a "CONCEPT" (Non-Physical).  It is without Chemical Formula/Structure, no Dimensionality/Orthogonality, and no Direction or Location.  You can't put some in a jar and paint in red.  

I mean c'mon now, let's reason together....can you Dilate/Bend Warp Non-Physical "Concepts"?? 
Is it your contention that if you have Poison Ivy on the brain you could scratch it by thinking of Sand Paper??

That which you are using to measure....isn't the thing you're measuring.  

** A Football Field is 100 Yards long but a Football Field isn't Yardsticks!! If I bend a Yardstick... does the Football Field Bend also? **

So if something affects say...Cesium Atomic Clocks, or any modern "Clock" for that matter, does that then IPSO FACTO mean the Earth's "Alleged" rotation is Affected?
These Two Mytho-matheMagical Fairytales (sr and gr) were falsified 30 seconds after their respective publications by 3rd graders @ recess, for goodness sakes.
IN TOTO, each are Massive Reification Fallacies on Nuclear Steroids!!

If you need the Quantum Mechanical Falsification of these Mytho-matheMagical Trainwrecks, don't hesitate to request.

Are you also aware that "Time and Space" are UTTERLY MEANINGLESS in Quantum Mechanics...?  If you need an Example/Validation, just ask.

 

Gravity??  Which One...EnsHteinian or Newtonian??  The reason I'm asking, is recently I've been getting BOMBARDED with Newtonian gravity on the "Secular Circuit".  And since each are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE I don't wanna waste 'Time' taking one to the Woodshed when you're adhering to another.

If 'gravity' is a Scientific Theory,  then you MUST validate it's CAUSE...?

If 'gravity' is a Scientific Law, then you must show it in Quantum Mechanics...?  Why??  Well...

"The Laws of Physics are always Quantum Mechanical Laws...you don't have separate laws for big and small things. The real question is: how do these very same laws when applied to big things, by big things I mean the things you see in daily life, GIVE THE IMPRESSION that the world is Newtonian?". {emphasis mine}

Ramamurti Shankar; Professor of Physics, Yale. 

Quantum Mechanics II.  (33:50 minute mark)

Also, Is gravity a "Force" ??

 

Yep.  Kudos to you for recognizing it.  May I ask, what led you to this conclusion...?

 

regards

Excuse me?  I"m totally confused, but it wouldn't be the first time. 

[Dennis1209]

On 8/6/2016 at 5:47 PM, kwikphilly said:

Blessings Beloved

We do need them,where are they when you want to hear their "theories" & all that "Greek"-lol    Seriously,there are many Scripture verses than suggest the expansion of this universe is still going on,right(I don't want to go off Topic so I won't quote them) & then we get an idea that GOd is very very BIG,He measure the waters with His Hand,the dust of the earth in a hand basket,etc,,,etc,,,,plus His Word tells us He is EVERYWHERE(omnipresent)

Are these just the places He told us about because our finite minds cannot gra

8 hours ago, Enoch2021 said:

Time is Physical??   Well all "Physical" things have Chemical Structure and Location; so, can you please post those...?

Einstein "Proved" this, eh?  How so...?  

Please post the Formal Scientific Hypothesis then Experiment (TEST) that validates your claim...? Highlight the "Independent Variable" used in the TEST...?

 

TIME is a "Conceptual" relationship between 2 motions.  Specifically, it's based on an "Alleged" single rotation of the Earth on it's axis in respect to the Sun (A Day). 
It's a "CONCEPT" (Non-Physical).  It is without Chemical Formula/Structure, no Dimensionality/Orthogonality, and no Direction or Location.  You can't put some in a jar and paint in red.  

I mean c'mon now, let's reason together....can you Dilate/Bend Warp Non-Physical "Concepts"?? 
Is it your contention that if you have Poison Ivy on the brain you could scratch it by thinking of Sand Paper??

That which you are using to measure....isn't the thing you're measuring.  

** A Football Field is 100 Yards long but a Football Field isn't Yardsticks!! If I bend a Yardstick... does the Football Field Bend also? **

So if something affects say...Cesium Atomic Clocks, or any modern "Clock" for that matter, does that then IPSO FACTO mean the Earth's "Alleged" rotation is Affected?
These Two Mytho-matheMagical Fairytales (sr and gr) were falsified 30 seconds after their respective publications by 3rd graders @ recess, for goodness sakes.
IN TOTO, each are Massive Reification Fallacies on Nuclear Steroids!!

If you need the Quantum Mechanical Falsification of these Mytho-matheMagical Trainwrecks, don't hesitate to request.

Are you also aware that "Time and Space" are UTTERLY MEANINGLESS in Quantum Mechanics...?  If you need an Example/Validation, just ask.

 

Gravity??  Which One...EnsHteinian or Newtonian??  The reason I'm asking, is recently I've been getting BOMBARDED with Newtonian gravity on the "Secular Circuit".  And since each are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE I don't wanna waste 'Time' taking one to the Woodshed when you're adhering to another.

If 'gravity' is a Scientific Theory,  then you MUST validate it's CAUSE...?

If 'gravity' is a Scientific Law, then you must show it in Quantum Mechanics...?  Why??  Well...

"The Laws of Physics are always Quantum Mechanical Laws...you don't have separate laws for big and small things. The real question is: how do these very same laws when applied to big things, by big things I mean the things you see in daily life, GIVE THE IMPRESSION that the world is Newtonian?". {emphasis mine}

Ramamurti Shankar; Professor of Physics, Yale. 

Quantum Mechanics II.  (33:50 minute mark)

Also, Is gravity a "Force" ??

So evidently you don't think space / time can't be bent, rolled like a scroll, burnt and don't think 'time' was a physical creation? Or there's a limit to how far you can divide time before it ceases to exist. I don't have the 'time' to learn you real gooder, so there's no sense for further debate.

8 hours ago, Enoch2021 said:

 

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It's pretty much been proven we live in a digital simulation, compared to an analog. 

Yep.  Kudos to you for recognizing it.  May I ask, what led you to this conclusion...?

sp other realms,obviously there are other realms that are invisible to us where He,His Spirit ,the Angels & Jesus in His Glorified Body are,another dimension that is invisible to us & yet it is right here with us......or are there also far far away places that we cannot see ,what some call deep outer space......apparently IF God so chooses He can be anywhere He wants to be or not,He does not want anything defiled by sin near Him.......Anyway,since the universe may be expanding & God is not bound by space or time can it be that these places are not yet here because we are bound by time & they are not yet made by God even though He has made them because He is outside of the confines of "time".....lol,Oh dear,see what I mean? Before I go on a "what if" journey I want to hear from the others.....so they can verify I flipped my lid                                                                        Love you Sis,Kwik

Nope, you haven't flipped your lid   It is an interesting subject though. I too believe time was created for us and we may live in more than a four dimensional world we can not see into. Based on a Biblical example of a donkey, of which I forgot where it is at the moment, I took it as if that donkey (maybe other animals too) was seeing something in the spiritual world. Now I'm going to have to hunt that one up.

I previously said 'four' because along with Einstein, it has pretty much been proven 'time' is a fabric and physical property and changes depending on the person, speed and gravity. It's pretty much been proven we live in a digital simulation, compared to an analog. 

Examples: With analog anything in theory you could keep dividing it forever. With both matter and time, once you divide it down to roughly 10 to the 33 power, it ceases to exist at all. Least wise, that's the stuff I've been studying anyway. It makes sense that if the supernatural acts with and upon us, they have to be here at the same place and same time. A dimension we can not see into would fit very nicely I think?

[Enoch2021]

1 hour ago, Dennis1209 said:

So evidently you don't think space / time can't be bent, rolled like a scroll, burnt and don't think 'time' was a physical creation?

There's is no "Space/Time"; it's a Begging The Question (Fallacy).  Now Scripture says "Heaven(s)" will be rolled up like a scroll and burnt.  Ergo, for your position to have any prayer of being somewhat coherent, you must 'believe' Heaven = Space/Time.  Can you SUPPORT this either Scripturally or Scientifically...??

If "Time" is Physical, (AGAIN) --- Please post the Chemical Structure and Location??  A picture of it would also suffice...?

Please Define "SPACE"...?

 

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Or there's a limit to how far you can divide time before it ceases to exist.

Please show us "TIME" being "Physically" divided (Like a Pie)...and then show it's subsequent Non-Existence?

 

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I don't have the 'time' to learn you real gooder, so there's no sense for further debate.

  Oh brother.

[Enoch2021]

10 hours ago, RustyAngeL said:

Excuse me?  I"m totally confused, but it wouldn't be the first time. 

Hey Rusty, 

Can you be more specific?  i.e., Which part would you like for me to expand on?

 

regards