Communion vs Holy Communion

[wincam]

15 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

You've been talking a lot wincam but I'm not sure you "hear" or "listen".......when you read the Bible,where do you see "Holy Communion" as a sacrament because that is what your OP infers.......you ridicule the catholic charismatics in another Thread and yet you hold fast to everything you claim that they are deceived by?

Maybe you can answer Out of the Shadows question or mine.....Who is Jesus to you?

as at Jn 20:31 - wincam

 

[kwikphilly]

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Unlike most Christians I simply simply believe which it seems, rightly according to Jesus most Christian adults simply simply find very difficult if not impossible to do - the simple answer for me is as at Jn. 20:31 - wincam

We can refer to a Scripture verse all day long.....WHO is Jesus to YOU?

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Communion and Holy Communion is the same thing                                missmuffet

Not according to the rcc it isn't,they teach the what they call the 7 "sacraments" one of which THEY call "Holy Communion"......an ordained rc priest is the only one who who is holy enough to administer the "host".....which "they" bless before the catholic can receive it plus they have to have received the sacrament of "confession" or they cannot take communion........that is why I asked OP why he is comparing,He is insinuating that only (what I just described) is the REAL communion!!!

[Knowingtruth]

1 hour ago, wincam said:

scripture at Jn.6 definately references it as the body of Christ - walk the walk and talk the talk - wincam

Spiritually not the physical body, but His words since the Word became flesh

[LadyKay]

3 hours ago, wincam said:

Communion = mouldy old dough - Holy Communion= special holy ingredient = manna from heaven - wincam

Well we use unleavened wavers and grape juice.

[LadyKay]

2 hours ago, wincam said:

unlike most Christians I simply simply believe which it seems, rightly according to Jesus most Christian adults simply simply find very difficult if not impossible to do - the simple answer for me is as at Jn. 20:31 - wincam

Look. I  what no issue with those who choice to follow the Catholic religion. But your really pushing things here when you come here and try to tell us your are a better Christians then the rest of us.

[WebersHome]

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The bread that Christ ate his last Passover-- during which he instituted the Lord's supper --couldn't have been "moldy" because the law of the Passover requires unleavened bread. (Ex 12:14-20) and it's not a flexible law (Num 9:12)

 

The Hebrew word for "unleavened" is matstsah (mats-tsaw') which means, specifically: an unfermented cake or loaf; in other words: bread made with sweet dough rather than sour dough.

 

It's easy to make sour dough bread without the addition of cultured yeast simply by putting fresh dough in a warm place and letting nature take its course because even fresh non-yeasted dough retains a quantity of its own natural yeast after milling, which will cause fresh dough to go bad all by itself over time without the addition of cultured yeast. So it's not the yeast content that categorizes bread as leavened or unleavened; it's simply whether the bread is made with spoiled dough or fresh dough; viz: aged dough or new dough.

 

In the days prior to baking with cultured yeast, cooks kept a supply of spoiled dough on hand for mixing with fresh dough and thus considerably reduced the time required for fermentation by taking advantage of the spoiled dough's yeast content. They probably didn't know all that much about the properties of fungi in those days but one thing they did know was that when they mixed some old dough with new and let it set for a bit, the blended batch tended to make a softer, puffy bread due to minute bubbles in the mix; which today we know is carbon dioxide.

 

Leavened bread takes longer to make because time has to be allotted for the yeasts to do their job. So if you're in a hurry to feed someone, then unfermented dough is the wiser choice; for example at Ex 12:1-11 the Passover's instructions dictate the use of unfermented dough no doubt due to the urgency of the Jews' departure from Egypt.

 

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[Knowingtruth]

13 hours ago, wincam said:

scripture at Jn.6 definately references it as the body of Christ - walk the walk and talk the talk - wincam

Spiritually not the physical body, but His words since the Word became flesh

[Knowingtruth]

7 hours ago, WebersHome said:

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The bread that Christ ate his last Passover-- during which he instituted the Lord's supper --couldn't have been "moldy" because the law of the Passover requires unleavened bread. (Ex 12:14-20) and it's not a flexible law (Num 9:12)

 

The Hebrew word for "unleavened" is matstsah (mats-tsaw') which means, specifically: an unfermented cake or loaf; in other words: bread made with sweet dough rather than sour dough.

 

It's easy to make sour dough bread without the addition of cultured yeast simply by putting fresh dough in a warm place and letting nature take its course because even fresh non-yeasted dough retains a quantity of its own natural yeast after milling, which will cause fresh dough to go bad all by itself over time without the addition of cultured yeast. So it's not the yeast content that categorizes bread as leavened or unleavened; it's simply whether the bread is made with spoiled dough or fresh dough; viz: aged dough or new dough.

 

In the days prior to baking with cultured yeast, cooks kept a supply of spoiled dough on hand for mixing with fresh dough and thus considerably reduced the time required for fermentation by taking advantage of the spoiled dough's yeast content. They probably didn't know all that much about the properties of fungi in those days but one thing they did know was that when they mixed some old dough with new and let it set for a bit, the blended batch tended to make a softer, puffy bread due to minute bubbles in the mix; which today we know is carbon dioxide.

 

Leavened bread takes longer to make because time has to be allotted for the yeasts to do their job. So if you're in a hurry to feed someone, then unfermented dough is the wiser choice; for example at Ex 12:1-11 the Passover's instructions dictate the use of unfermented dough no doubt due to the urgency of the Jews' departure from Egypt.

 

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Who instituted the communion? Paul or Jesus?

[WebersHome]

7 hours ago, Knowingtruth said:

Who instituted the communion? Paul or Jesus?

Which "communion" did you have in mind? Catholicism's Eucharist, or Protestantism's Lord's supper?

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[Knowingtruth]

15 hours ago, WebersHome said:

Which "communion" did you have in mind? Catholicism's Eucharist, or Protestantism's Lord's supper?

 

All sects, denominations and groups (Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants ,etc.)