Abortion ?

[woundeddog]

49 minutes ago, Yowm said:

Sounds like the tail wagging the woundeddog LOL

you know, the brain is like a rubberband--- you gotta stretch it every once in awhile to keep it working~~~~ haha

[PatrolMan]

I believe that all babies go to heaven because they have not committed any sin which they would have done by choice.

[Behold]

14 minutes ago, Butero said:

 emotion based nonsense and expect that I am going to give credence to it.  

Butero,

Remember...... You are the person who has no "feelings" regarding our discussion that deals with the serious fact that some of your family members, according to your cultish "predestined" theology, are going to the Lake of fire without a CHOICE,....  and i asked you how you personally felt about this..... and you replied that you had no feelings about it whatsoever as the idea of your mother or grandmother ending up in the Lake of fire based on YOUR theology, is  just my "emotionalism", as what will be, will  be for them...= predestined for HELL <> Lake of Fire.....so, its not your concern.

So, , is it any surprise to us that you also have no feelings about babies who would end up burning in the lake of fire according to YOUR theology,.... and you  would just say....."oh, ho hum, im more interested in what i have to say about the bible, here let me SPEW IT".

Im not certain what church you go to but Thank GOD i dont belong to it, and im really sorry that you do.

Truly.

[woundeddog]

46 minutes ago, Yowm said:

opps~~~this quote was from Buetro not Yowm~~~~~responses to me that are Bible based, I will take the time to consider your words, not until.

off hand I dont remember the verse- but when David and Bathsheba s baby son dies David says he wont come to me, but I will go to him-- I'm pretty sure that implys that the baby is in heaven- and it not an illogical extension to assume all babies go to heaven

[Behold]

2 hours ago, Butero said:

  I also stated that everyone in my family has accepted Jesus, so the whole argument is garbage.  It is emotion based nonsense.  You argue like most liberal politicians argue. 

As for babies winding up in hell, I am as pro-life as you can get,

Listen carefully Butero,

Your being """pro-life""" does not remit your demonic theology that some babies are born to go to the lake of fire, and some of your family members as well.... So, are we clear?

And, i had suspected.... that when i put the screws to you a bit about "some in your family" being predestined to go to the lake of fire based on YOUR Theology......i felt that you would backtrack, reverse, and then come and SPIN your FALSE RELIGION and obviously say (once you realized how you were trapped)  that everyone is your family has "accepted Jesus".....but, i have news for you......According to your fruits and nutz theology, that isnt possible, as God would not according to your theology, decide that EVERYONE in your particular family is predestined to go to heaven, when He would not do this for any other FAMILY, butero.

Son, you are a religious fraud, your religion spits on God and it blasphemes the Blood of Christ.

In the final analysis butero, you are simply a dishonest person, presenting a dishonest and demonic theology.

[ayin jade]

2 minutes ago, Butero said:

I have had enough of your personal attacks.  You are clearly violating the terms of service.  Up to now, I have been allowing you to get under my skin and even becoming hateful and jumping on people that didn't deserve it, but no more.  If you do this anymore, I am reporting you to the moderators.  Are we clear? 

 

As it happens, I reported two of the posts today in which you were attacked. Although I am not enamored with some of your theology, I objected to the tone in which you were addressed. In the future, you should report all personal attacks against you or others. Dont hold back. 

[RustyAngeL]

On 8/14/2016 at 3:50 PM, wincam said:

are aborted babies born again - surely they more than any need to be born again - btw why do they as the victims have to pay for the crime - wincam

No they are not born again but the Father takes them directly to Heaven.. They are innocent and are forever in His safe Hands.

Blessings, RustyAngeL

[RustyAngeL]

On 8/14/2016 at 3:50 PM, wincam said:

are aborted babies born again - surely they more than any need to be born again - btw why do they as the victims have to pay for the crime - wincam

Women who have abortions can most certainly be born again.

Their lives can be touched by the power of the Holy Spirit.  A lot of women who have had abortions and are now saved make it a mission to tell other women, not only of other options but tell them they are loved by God just like all the rest of us.  

Telling women to have abortions is a lie of the enemy.  Doctors who perform abortions to me are breaking ever rule in the book seeing they take an oath " First to do no harm"  To me they are committing out and out right murder.  Many of them who are saved have said doing what they did will haunt them forever, but they too can and will be forgiven.

God's incredible Grace is offered to all of us. 

Blessings, RustyAngeL

[RustyAngeL]

2 minutes ago, Butero said:

I sincerely hope you are right Rusty Angel, but I do have a question for you.  Do you have any scripture to show that is the case?  The Bible states we are all born in sin because of Adam's transgression, so we all need a savior, even if we didn't commit a single sinful act in our lifetime.  Why would a baby be an exception?  At best, if I accept what Shiloh said, that the scripture in 1 Corinthians doesn't mean things the way it appears to me, all I can say in answer to this question is that I am not sure.  How can anyone answer this question with absolute certainty if the Bible is silent on it? 

Because they are not old enough to be accountable.  I do not serve a God who would cast an aborted baby into hell.  They are not responsible for what happened to them. I am sure they are safe in Heaven.

[FresnoJoe]

On 8/14/2016 at 6:50 PM, Butero said:

I am not concerned with arguing over this except to say that there is no scripture in the Bible to my knowledge that teaches an age of accountability as some teach, and this is the only verse I have come across anywhere that seems to explain how children can be saved.  I feel like people automatically assume that when people abort their children, they are sending them to a better place, but I am not so sure.  Even if you want to challenge the meaning of this verse, there is nothing that says children up to a certain age are automatically saved, so we are left with competing interpretations of this verse.  I remember that the minister that taught us about this verse was a man who spent most of his time teaching Biblical prophecy, and the opinion I gave of this verse was his.  I thought it made sense then and still do, but I will just leave it up to everyone to make up their own mind.  I would also be curious if anyone may have come across scripture that says in no uncertain terms that all children are saved and there is an age of accountability.  I am happy to keep an open mind about it. 

Of Sin

Of sin, because they believe not on me; John 16:9

And Salvation

And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether GOD will be gracious to me, that the child may live? But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me. 2 Samuel 12:22-23

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Beloved, It All Depends On

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. John 8:34

Which God One Believes In

But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. Matthew 12:7

IMO

But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. Mark 10:14

Love, Your Brother Joe