Genesis 6:1-4; The Sons of God ...

[Remnantrob]

On 10/11/2016 at 5:22 PM, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

God does not take chances or believe in luck.  God is sovereign.  There's a clear-cut, Biblical answer to Genesis 6:1-4, but no one has suggested it yet.  I'll give you several hints: the fallen angels are immortal; their offspring are not; and the angels that have left their natural place were cast down into Tartarus by God; and lastly, Noah's family was genetically unblemished and righteous (Genesis 6:8-9; Hebrews 11:7; 2 Peter 2:5, etc.)

Where can I find this information in the bible?  Thanks.

[SavedOnebyGrace]

3 minutes ago, Remnantrob said:

Where can I find this information in the bible?  Thanks.

Genesis 6:1-4 and Numbers 13:33 show that the Nephilim were around before and after Noah's Flood.  The Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon gives the meaning of Nephilim as "giants".  Numbers 13:28, 31 indicate the sons of the Nephilim were known as the Anakim.  The Rephaim were a tribe of giants who lived east of the Dead Sea. (Deuteronomy 2:10, 11, 19, 20) The Israelite’s had trouble with the Rephaim who lived in the forest of the mountainous region of Ephraim. (Joshua 17:14-18) Goliath, whom David killed, was evidently one of these people. (1 Samuel 17:4-7)  The Rephaim were the “Mighty Men of Renown,” such as the Akkadian Gilgamesh, and the Titans of Greek mythology.  When these hybrid-human Rephaim died, they became Shades in Sheol.  (See also, Ezekiel 32:17-32; Psalm 86:13).  There was a belief among Jews during the time of Christ that the Demons who Possessed humans were the Evil Pneumas of the Rephaim.  This is speculation, of course, but falls in line with 1 Enoch and the Book of Jasher.  But these are extra-Biblical books so that must be remembered.  The sons of Anak (the Anakim) are mentioned in Deuteronomy 1:28 and 9:2 as well.  There are others mentioned as well.

None of this is essential belief for a person's salvation.  That needs to be perfectly understood. 

John 14:6 NIV - Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

[Remnantrob]

4 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

Genesis 6:1-4 and Numbers 13:33 show that the Nephilim were around before and after Noah's Flood.  The Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon gives the meaning of Nephilim as "giants".  Numbers 13:28, 31 indicate the sons of the Nephilim were known as the Anakim.  The Rephaim were a tribe of giants who lived east of the Dead Sea. (Deuteronomy 2:10, 11, 19, 20) The Israelite’s had trouble with the Rephaim who lived in the forest of the mountainous region of Ephraim. (Joshua 17:14-18) Goliath, whom David killed, was evidently one of these people. (1 Samuel 17:4-7)  The Rephaim were the “Mighty Men of Renown,” such as the Akkadian Gilgamesh, and the Titans of Greek mythology.  When these hybrid-human Rephaim died, they became Shades in Sheol.  (See also, Ezekiel 32:17-32; Psalm 86:13).  There was a belief among Jews during the time of Christ that the Demons who Possessed humans were the Evil Pneumas of the Rephaim.  This is speculation, of course, but falls in line with 1 Enoch and the Book of Jasher.  But these are extra-Biblical books so that must be remembered.  The sons of Anak (the Anakim) are mentioned in Deuteronomy 1:28 and 9:2 as well.  There are others mentioned as well.

None of this is essential belief for a person's salvation.  That needs to be perfectly understood. 

John 14:6 NIV - Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Thank you Saved,

I asked because the portion of your quote that I highlighted stated that angels were immortal.  When I requested a reference from the bible you placed this up and said Nephilim were around before and after Noah's flood.  I'm not sure that would automatically mean that they Nephilim(I'm interpreting them as angels because this is how you answered my question) are immortal.  If so I could say that humans are immortal for that same reason, but we know that they aren't and only survived because of God's providence through the ark.  Would you consider Nephilim flesh since they were able to reproduce with flesh?  If so, how do you account for Genesis 7:21-23?

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²¹ And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:

²² All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

²³ And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

 

If the bible says that only Noah and his family in the ark remained alive, how can you say Nephilim survived because we see them again in the book of Numbers?  Thanks.

[SavedOnebyGrace]

19 hours ago, Remnantrob said:

Thank you Saved,

I asked because the portion of your quote that I highlighted stated that angels were immortal.  When I requested a reference from the bible you placed this up and said Nephilim were around before and after Noah's flood.  I'm not sure that would automatically mean that they Nephilim(I'm interpreting them as angels because this is how you answered my question) are immortal.  If so I could say that humans are immortal for that same reason, but we know that they aren't and only survived because of God's providence through the ark.  Would you consider Nephilim flesh since they were able to reproduce with flesh?  If so, how do you account for Genesis 7:21-23?

Source: Angels and Fallen Angels

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If the bible says that only Noah and his family in the ark remained alive, how can you say Nephilim survived because we see them again in the book of Numbers?  Thanks.

Easy.  There were two floods: Lucifer's Flood (Genesis 1:2) and Noah's Flood beginning at Genesis 6:1.  Noah's Flood was not a global flood, but a large local flood that covered the known earth at that time.  A good reference source is David Snoke's book, A Biblical Case for an Old Earth.  Disregard his Day-Age Theory of Creation.

Edited October 21, 2016 by Saved.One.by.Grace

[Remnantrob]

Oh ok.  I never hear of Lucifer's flood until today or that it was connected to Genesis 1:2. I'll check out your source later.  Thanks.

[SavedOnebyGrace]

46 minutes ago, Remnantrob said:

Oh ok.  I never hear of Lucifer's flood until today or that it was connected to Genesis 1:2. I'll check out your source later.  Thanks.

Your welcome.  Check out some of the posts by Hazard.  He's got one of the best Biblical comparisons of the two floods that he publishes each time this subject comes up.

[other one]

10 hours ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

From Grace to You, John MacArthur's website:

 

But it doesn't matter which we do, we still well do it and it matters when He decided to have us do so.

[Ezra]

9 hours ago, Remnantrob said:

Oh ok.  I never hear of Lucifer's flood until today or that it was connected to Genesis 1:2.

Most of us haven't either. 

[SavedOnebyGrace]

10 hours ago, other one said:

But it doesn't matter which we do, we still well do it and it matters when He decided to have us do so.

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[SavedOnebyGrace]

8 hours ago, Ezra said:

Most of us haven't either. 

You are wise and knowledgeable in other Biblical matters; matters important for salvation by grace alone.  You and others may disagree with me regarding the Gap Theory, but I still have the highest respect for you in other matters of faith.