Genesis 6:1-4; The Sons of God ...

[Salty]

7 hours ago, other one said:

the physical bodies of the Rephaim  are dead, but demons are the spirits of these poor entities....   they were never intended to exist and are not any part of Gods doings.    These spirits will still be here when the world is burned up.

But the Isaiah 26:14 passage shows they would not 'rise' (i.e., raised from the dead). That means the demonic spirits are not the spirits of the dead giants.

[Salty]

6 hours ago, eileenhat said:

Satan wanted to destroy God's creation with abominations.

He therefore used his fallen angels, to do the job.

They took beautiful women and somehow bred them with goats etc. to produce a perverse creature, half human (think beautiful blond child's head on an upright goat body) half animal as a way to destroy God's creation (ie. Earth/mankind), as it was perverse in the sight of the Lord (hence Noah's flood to correct the problem).

The archeological evidence left shows the giants were of a hybrid human form, no animal form involved.

The reason Satan led those angels to take wives of the daughters of men was in trying to prevent Christ's birth. Even in Gen.6 the reference in the Hebrew to "daughters of men" refer to the seed of the man Adam that Jesus would be born through.

Satan tried other times later to destroy the seed of the woman that Jesus would be born through. Our Lord Jesus coming to die on the cross is what would seal the judgement and sentencing of Satan to the future lake of fire (1 John 3:8).

[Salty]

19 minutes ago, eileenhat said:

I wasn't referring to Giants.

There is no Bible scriptures referring to angels having sex with humans.  That would be big news and well discussed biblically.  They can however work through willing human hosts.

"The seed of the women" is referred to in a prophecy.  So we don't yet know what it means.   We just do our best to understand.

Then I must respectfully say, you have chosen to leave the simplicity of the Scriptures, because the concept of the "sons of God" in Genesis 6 taking wives of the daughters of men is about marriage. And that is what Jude 1 reveals also:

Jude 6-7
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
KJV

 

[Salty]

23 minutes ago, eileenhat said:

I wasn't referring to Giants.

There is no Bible scriptures referring to angels having sex with humans.  That would be big news and well discussed biblically.  They can however work through willing human hosts.

"The seed of the women" is referred to in a prophecy.  So we don't yet know what it means.   We just do our best to understand.

The matter of the "Seed" of the woman of Genesis is a very clear Biblical idea. It is about God's chosen seed that Jesus would be born through. It began with Eve. And the following verse even reveals a battle that would occur for this world with that Seed vs. the children of darkness:

Gen 3:15
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
KJV

 

[Salty]

1 hour ago, eileenhat said:

"Everlasting chains of darkness" refers to a lower spiritual condition for Satan's fallen angels.  Prior to this judgement, they had more power to interact with human kind.  Though they still could not have sex.  Once judgement of 'darkness' was pronounced on them they became demons/unclean spirits as we know them today.

Jude 7 refers to men.

That is to still deny the Scripture which declares they took wives of the daughters of men and had offspring, which is definitely about their being able to have sex with flesh woman:

Gen 6:2
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
KJV

Gen 6:4
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
KJV

Your interpretation of that event leaves the simplicity of the written Scripture there, and is thus only a tradition of men. It's not up to us to declare it impossible for the fallen angels to take wives of flesh women and bare children. It's only up to us to believe God's Word as written, or not.

By exchanging how the Scripture is written in simplicity for some other idea is how men's traditions creep into the Word of God.

 

[other one]

3 hours ago, Salty said:

But the Isaiah 26:14 passage shows they would not 'rise' (i.e., raised from the dead). That means the demonic spirits are not the spirits of the dead giants.

I don't see where this is talking about the Nephilim....    just who is "they"     Earlier in the chapter it is speaking of the wicked.     I'm not at home and have almost no study helps but in the eleven translations I have at hand i can't see the connection....    can you show me where this is speaking of those giants that were the offspring of of angels?

[other one]

2 hours ago, eileenhat said:

"Everlasting chains of darkness" refers to a lower spiritual condition for Satan's fallen angels.  Prior to this judgement, they had more power to interact with human kind.  Though they still could not have sex.  Once judgement of 'darkness' was pronounced on them they became demons/unclean spirits as we know them today.

Jude 7 refers to men.

it is speaking of only the 200 or so angels that left their place and came here.

[Salty]

55 minutes ago, other one said:

I don't see where this is talking about the Nephilim....    just who is "they"     Earlier in the chapter it is speaking of the wicked.     I'm not at home and have almost no study helps but in the eleven translations I have at hand i can't see the connection....    can you show me where this is speaking of those giants that were the offspring of of angels?

The Isaiah 26:14 verse is one of several OT passages where the KJV translators didn't bring the name Rephaim about the giants into the English. The word "deceased" is the Hebrew name Rephaim there like I said before, which is how that verse is pointing to the giants. Furthermore, would there be any others born flesh that would NOT be resurrected that it would be talking about? No, of course not.

[kwikphilly]

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I wasn't referring to Giants.

There is no Bible scriptures referring to angels having sex with humans.  That would be big news and well discussed biblically.  They can however work through willing human hosts.                                                         Eileen

Much speculation,huh?

[Salty]

Ps 88:10
10 Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise and praise Thee? Selah.
KJV

Isa 26:14
14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast Thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.
KJV

This is where one of the errors of thinking happens of who all the dead can represent from OT Scripture. Many think those Scriptures only refer to people that have died and are asleep in their graves.

Will the wicked dead be resurrected for Christ's future 1,000 years reign? Yes, per John 5:28-29.

Will the wicked dead bow the knee to Christ as Lord during that future time? Yes, as it is written, all knees will bow (Rom.14:11).

So who are these 'dead' that shall not arise, and not praise God? The truly... 'dead', the spirits of those hybrid giants which the fallen angels created during the days of Noah.