sabbath day

[JohnD]

I am weary of people clinging to past covenants with HaShem (Abrahamic, Noahic, etc.) with impunity towards the fact that God always always condemns such retroactive behavior. God essentially walked mankind through the steps to the very pinnacle of the covenants the Messiah and his sacrificial death and resurrection.  With God, there's no going back. But how often people try (in the Church as well as Judaism) bringing all or portions of the cold covenant into the new.

The new covenant is FIRST FOR THE JEW then for the Gentile. So... abolishing the Law of Moses for the believer, how is it that for Jewish believers the Law of Moses is allegedly still in effect?

Oh, that's just for Jewish believers in Jesus, not Gentiles...

First for the Jew...

Galatians 3:24–28 (AV)
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

The new covenant is our daily sabbath rest from war with the Almighty we are at peace shalom!

Ephesians 2:14 (AV)
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

Drop the mike.

[Guest shiloh357]

2 hours ago, JohnD said:

Under the old covenant.

Psst, have you heard? There's a new one! Pass it on!

The Sabbath Day observance is part of the OT economy.   Jesus is our Sabbath, now.

[Remnantrob]

11 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

Because as I said, when it comes to moral sins, the Bible doesn't have to list every sin; rather it provides us with a behavioral paradigm.  The moral sins not listed can be judged in the light of the sins that the Bible does mention.   It's really very simple.  There is no such paradigm provided with regard to the Sabbath for the Christian, because the Sabbath is not a moral commandment.  It has no moral value, and it was only given to Israel.  

What is a moral commandment and why is it defined as such?  

What is moral value ?

[Guest shiloh357]

18 minutes ago, Remnantrob said:

What is a moral commandment and why is it defined as such?  

What is moral value ?

Really?  You have to ask that?   Come on.  I think we all know the difference between a moral commandment and commandments that deal with non-moral issues like ritual purity, sacrifices, celebrations, hygiene, etc. 

[Guest Teditis]

Just now, shiloh357 said:

Really?  You have to ask that?   Come on.  I think we all know the difference between a moral commandment and commandments that deal with non-moral issues like ritual purity, sacrifices, celebrations, hygiene, etc. 

You assume too much... but keep going, you're doing good.

[Remnantrob]

Just now, shiloh357 said:

Really?  You have to ask that?   Come on.  I think we all know the difference between a moral commandment and commandments that deal with non-moral issues like ritual purity, sacrifices, celebrations, hygiene, etc. 

I ask because in Nehemiah 13:18 it says 

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Did not your fathers do the same, so that our God brought on us and on this city all this trouble? Yet you are adding to the wrath on Israel by profaning the sabbath.

If the sabbath had no moral value why would God punish them for something that wasn't good or bad?

[Guest shiloh357]

18 minutes ago, Remnantrob said:

I ask because in Nehemiah 13:18 it says 

If the sabbath had no moral value why would God punish them for something that wasn't good or bad?

They were in disobedience to God's command to them to honor the Sabbath day.  He punished them for profaning that day.   The Sabbath is amoral.  Moral commandments pertain to things that we do for, or to other people.  Morals and ethics related to our relationships with other people, such as being fair, just, generous, bitter, angry, and so on.   The commandment to take care of the poor is a moral commandment.  The commandment to not steal, murder, covet, honor one's parents, are moral commandments.

The Sabbath day was sign between God and Israel and they were to honor His Sabbath as a memorial of creation and as a memorial of the Exodus.  Both events speak to spiritual realities of Christians as new Creations in Jesus AND Jesus as our Passover/Redeemer.   The Sabbath is a memorial for Israel, a picture of Jesus and foreshadowing of the Messianic Kingdom.

Fixating on keeping a particular day completely misses the point.  It misses what the Sabbath is pointing to.

[WailingWall]

On 11/7/2016 at 0:19 AM, shiloh357 said:

The only people to whom the Sabbath was given as a commandment to follow was Israel.   That command was never given to the church.

Out of the writings of Paul

EPHES. 2 [11] Wherefore remember, that ye being IN TIME PAST GENTILES in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; [12] That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANTS OF PROMISE, having no hope, and without God in the world: [13] BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. [14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

We {gentiles}were once STRANGERS from Gods covenants of promise, having no hope. BUT NOW in Christ, should we take hold of those covenants, we have hope

ISAIAH 56 [6] Also the sons of THE STRANGER, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one THAT KEEPETH THE SABBATH from polluting it, and TAKETH HOLD OF MY COVENANT; [7] EVEN THEM WILL I BRING TO MY HOLY MOUNTAIN, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for ALL PEOPLE.

Even them (us gentile STRANGERS mentioned in Ephes.2) will He bring to His holy mountain, if we should take hold of His sabbath covenant. Jesus will bring us to the 1000yr period of rest

EXODUS 31 [16] Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the SABBATH, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a PERPETUAL COVENANT.

The above scripture points to one of those covenants spoken of in Ephes.2

ROMANS 1 [30] Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, [31] without understanding, COVENANTBREAKERS, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: [32] Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

And you can see who Paul lumps in with the covenantbreakers. Not good company

 

[coheir]

13 minutes ago, WailingWall said:

Out of the writings of Paul

 

 

 

EPHES. 2 [11] Wherefore remember, that ye being IN TIME PAST GENTILES in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; [12] That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANTS OF PROMISE, having no hope, and without God in the world: [13] BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. [14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

 

 

 

We {gentiles}were once STRANGERS from Gods covenants of promise, having no hope. BUT NOW in Christ, should we take hold of those covenants, we have hope

 

 

 

ISAIAH 56 [6] Also the sons of THE STRANGER, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one THAT KEEPETH THE SABBATH from polluting it, and TAKETH HOLD OF MY COVENANT; [7] EVEN THEM WILL I BRING TO MY HOLY MOUNTAIN, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for ALL PEOPLE.

 

 

 

Even them (us gentile STRANGERS mentioned in Ephes.2) will He bring to His holy mountain, if we should take hold of His sabbath covenant. Jesus will bring us to the 1000yr period of rest

 

 

 

EXODUS 31 [16] Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the SABBATH, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a PERPETUAL COVENANT.

 

 

 

The above scripture points to one of those covenants spoken of in Ephes.2

 

 

 

ROMANS 1 [30] Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, [31] without understanding, COVENANTBREAKERS, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: [32] Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

 

 

 

And you can see who Paul lumps in with the covenantbreakers. Not good company

 

 

 

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

v 15 is clear abolished even the law of commandments contained in the law

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

v16 also clear reconciled by the cross not the old law

17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

[WailingWall]

43 minutes ago, coheir said:

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

v 15 is clear abolished even the law of commandments contained in the law

 

Not the law of commandments contained in the law but the law of commandments contained in the ordinances.

COL.2 [14] Blotting out THE HANDWRITING OF ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;[15] And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.[16] Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:[17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Jesus blotted out “only” the handwriting of the ordinances.

2 KINGS 17 [36] But the LORD, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt with great power and a stretched out arm, him shall ye fear, and him shall ye worship, and to him shall ye do sacrifice.[37] And the statutes, AND the ordinances, AND the law, AND the commandment, which he wrote for you, ye shall observe to do for evermore; and ye shall not fear other gods.

The “many” have come in the name of Christ and would have you to believe the law, the ordinances and the commandments are all lumped together as one. They do this so they can point out a scripture which talking about the law of circumcision (which was nailed to the cross) and then apply that scripture to the ten commandments. But as you can see in above scripture, the ordinances, the law, and the commandments are all separate. And it was not the law nor the ten commandments that Jesus nailed to the cross. It was the law contained in the ordinances.

EXODUS 12 [11] And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is THE LORD'S PASSOVER. [12] For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the Lord. [13] And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt. [14] And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the Lord throughout your generations; ye shall keep it A FEAST BY AN ORDINANCE FOR EVER.

Theres one of the feast days (holy days) which are to be kept by ordinance. The Lords passover

NUMBERS 28 [16] And in the fourteenth day of the first month is THE PASSOVER OF THE LORD. [17] And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten. [18] In the first day shall be an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work therein: [19] But ye shall offer a sacrifice made by fire for a burnt offering unto the Lord; two young bullocks, and one ram, and seven lambs of the first year: they shall be unto you without blemish: [20] And their MEAT OFFERING shall be of flour mingled with oil: three tenth deals shall ye offer for a bullock, and two tenth deals for a ram; [21] A several tenth deal shalt thou offer for every lamb, throughout the seven lambs: [22] And one goat for a sin offering, to make an atonement for you. [23] Ye shall offer these beside the burnt offering in the morning, which is for a continual burnt offering. [24] After this manner ye shall offer daily, throughout the seven days, the meat of the sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Lord: it shall be offered beside the continual burnt offering, and his DRINK OFFERING.

Here we see the Lords passover and the meat and drink offering which are in the handwriting of that ordinance. Why do we need not exercise those meat and drink offerings now?

JOHN 6 [53] Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. [54] Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. [55] For MY FLESH IS MEAT INDEED, and MY BLOOD IS DRINK INDEED.

 

Edited November 15, 2016 by WailingWall