Hinn

[Shane]

Hi Kristin

Sorry I was not refering to you at all, I had just read the whole thread and personally am tired of people saying we should not expose people like Hinn. I agree with what you said, these people need to be exposed in view of what the bible is saying and what they are teaching. But I believe this has been done many times over already.

The liberal relplies from some others however simply increase my concern for what is happening in Christs church today we are letting more and more error creep in and the most popular thing for most is to say we have no right to judge. Maybe people should understnad the full view of this. We do have a right to judge (not condeming judgment) but judgenent of what is of God and what isnt. If we dont then we are condoning what the devil is introducing to decieve our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.

[Orr v'emet]

Totally agree Shane. Thanks for clearing that up for me!

[dgolvach]

Threads such as these rotate so frequently on these boards and the focus is wrong. I think Benny Hinn has been exposed many times over. His name is probably the first that comes to people's minds when one begins to talk about televangelists who are taking people for a ride. Why do some feel the need to rehash over and over under the guise of "exposing a false prophet" when it's been done a million times. Instead of the goal of this thread being what it has become why don't we turn the tide and turn it into a thread where we offer up prayers for this guy instead. Someone said that they "shudder to think" about him standing before a Holy God. You know what? I shudder to think about myself standing before a Holy God. There is none righteous no not one and we need to remember that. Let me begin by offering a prayer for Mr. Hinn...

Why rehash? Simple...He (Benny) keeps doing it. He won't stop! This isn't about his soul. Its about the massave fraud he is committing. I don't want anyone on planet earth to go to hell. "Shuddering to think" isn't the point .

Dear Heavenly Father, I come to you in this moment asking that the Holy Spirit would work in the heart and life of Mr. Hinn. God you know that his influence is widespread and he proclaims a message that bears your name. God I pray that Satan will no longer decieve and that the Holy Spirit would have the freedom to move and convict where there needs to be conviction. I pray that strongholds will be broken over Mr. Hinn and that his ministry would become Your ministry and that You will be glorified in all that transpires. God I thank You for hearing my prayer and for answering Your way, in Your time. You are so awesome and I am so thankful for your grace and mercy. In Jesus most precious and holy name, Amen.

Good word! I agree with your prayer but lets also pray for the poor souls who in a moment of dispair because of a severe illness or a sick child fall for Hinn's false teachings, send a check and come up short , then blame themselves or God. Lets pray that they don't lose faith because of it. Also, for the millions of unsaved who channel surf and catch a few minutes of the circus like atmosphere on Hinn's show and say to themselves " SEE ...I'm right about all of this Christianity stuff". Their all nuts!!

I'm sorry my friend. Until Hinn and his cronies at TBN knock it off, it needs to be rehashed and rehashed. This is very personal to me. It is sickning and horrible to do such a thing in God's name.

Peace

Dan

[IreneM]

When we place the word of man over the Word of God there is something wrong with us.

When we know more of what Mr. Hinn says then what the bible says there is something wrong with the body of Christ

Get back to the bible Get into the Word so the Word is in you and when you have done that then you will know what kind of a man mr. hinn is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Get into the Word and know what Hinn Copeland Crouch TD Jakes and all the others are preaching is wrong the red fages will go up.

As for correcting them many have tried and failed because these men will not listen. They are above correction!!!!!

Case in point Stanly was on TBN for years one day he preached against the Word of Faith doctrine He was pulled off TBN for 3 years he was not on finally he was back on but on the condition that he not preach against any of the preachers on TBN

He compromised the Word of God to be back on TBN

Will God honor that I don't know but I do know that he compromised the Word of God giving in to Paul Crouch !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As for this being an old thread worn out etc.

New people are comming on all the time and yes it does need to be rehashed once and awhile if for no other reason then if it STOPS one new bab in Christ from even listening to this man and men like him......................

GET INTO THE WORD OF GOD !!!!!

Compare the word of these men to the Word of God and then tell me that men like hinn and copeland and crouch and all the others don't need to be exposed...

In Christ

IreneM

[Work in Progress]

Amen, Shane. Everytime there is "yet another" topic about Benny Hinn, or others like him, it's a good opportunity to expose him for what he is. There is much truth in these threads. And it's not like there's a new one every day.

I think this goes beyond just not preaching correctly. Its called preying on those who are in bad health and vulnerable. When your child is dying you will try anything. The proper way to stop this person who is to expose him or her.

Well said and ICAM.

[Orr v'emet]

GET INTO THE WORD OF GOD !!!!!

Compare the word of these men to the Word of God and then tell me that men like hinn and copeland and crouch and all the others don't need to be exposed...

Just so we are clear...I never said that. My previous two posts speak for themselves. We are on the same side here guys...I'm merely taking a different approach.

[Work in Progress]

and then tell me that men like hinn and copeland and crouch

Do you put Copeland on the same par with Hinn? Hmmmm. Interesting. I have a soft spot for 'ole Kenny. I know his "name it and claim it" theology is wrong, but I wouldn't put him in anywhere near the same category as Hinn. I've always kind of liked him and never thought of him as dangerous, like Hinn is. Hmmm.

[IreneM]

copeland is the one responsible for the doctrine that Jesus went to hell and suffered at the hands of satan for 3 days and nights

Copeland says that the roman gardes rapped Jesus (so if you have been rapped Jesus knows how you feel)

copeland has much false doctrine in his long log of tv programs.

I once ordered a tape from him of songs, he can sing, a few months later I got a letter from his wife saying that i was stealing form God by not supporting the ministry of copeland.

In Christ

IreneM

[dgolvach]

And what does Mr. Hinn say to those who question his methods? Oh, just a little curse on you and your children and maybe your dog. No big deal.

My Dog!!!!Now thats taking it too far. I'm gonna have to give that Hinn a new hair doo that he won't like!

[Keith]

Ok. :::sigh::: I really did not want to enter into this discussion. I don't like these kinds of discussions. Be it right or wrong on my part, I try to stay away. I don't like speaking ill of anyone, whether I like them or not. I am nobody's judge and I have a difficult enough time keeping myself right before God.

But, I have some first hand experience with Benny Hinn Ministries, having been a regular volunteer at their crusades for a time in the mid 90's. The little bit of information I have, I am going to try to give as neutrally as possible. I will state, however, that I have nothing more to do with BHM and haven't for quite some time.

I was always placed on the floor during the crusades. (As opposed to the bleacher seats.) I assisted in the aged/handicapped area, which was always right behind the "elite seats" at front row center. These were always reserved for family, friends, invited guests and the wealthy. This was my usual assignment and I greatly enjoyed assisting these precious people. (The aged/handicapped.)

I never saw one verifiable/verified healing although many claimed to be healed. Noone ever followed-up with those that said they were healed. Nobody at BHM had any records of these healings. I know because I asked. I do believe people have been healed by God through his ministry though. If not because of Benny, because of God or themselves.

Some people would get out of wheelchairs and say they were healed. Wheelchairs were provided by many of the arenas as a courtesy to those who had trouble walking, or the elderly. I saw many people get out of these particular wheelchairs. I cannot attest to all of them, however.

I would also assist with the line of people that would wait to get on stage to tell Benny they were healed. We asked these people what they were healed of. The person who gave the OK to go on stage made that decision based on the person's answer. Most were never asked any other questions. Most of the people in line just wanted to get on stage and get "touched" by Benny Hinn or the Holy Spirit so they could "be knocked down", "fall out in the spirit" or whatever phrase you want to use. Many had not been healed but felt that if they could get on stage with Benny, they would be healed. Those who went on stage were ushered out of the auditorium to the back where someone would "counsel" them and give them a booklet on "How Not To Lose Your Healing."

Before the crusades, Benny would have a short "Partner Meeting" with the volunteers. We were under the strictest of orders to not talk to the press. We were to refuse all interview requests. At these meetings, and other Partner Meetings open to those who gave financially to BHM, Benny usually did two things. Talk about money and "prophesy". He would stand before us for 20 minutes at times and give prophesies that he said would all come to pass "within the year." I wrote them all down. Always. Not a single one ever came to pass. Not one. Ever. After these meetings, his partners would rush to the stage and ask him to autograph their Bibles. He did.

I also helped count the offerings at his crusades. We were under very, very tight supervision. This is to be expected though.

I joined Benny on one of his crusades to Africa. (At my own expense.) I worked near the stage. I did not see anyone get healed, or even claim it. The day after the crusade, Benny had breakfast with us and told us that a man had been healed that only had one leg. His other leg was cut off at the knee. He said it grew right back right before his eyes. He also said a child with a withered leg that had never walked before was healed and his leg stretched out whole. None of us saw it or heard about it before he told us. Benny arrived barely on time to get on the stage and left long before people knew he was gone.

Benny did provide enough food, called "mealy meal" for what he claimed was 300,000 people. I helped load the trucks, unload the trucks, and hand out the food. Benny was there only for the picture taking. It wasn't enough to feed that many people, but there was a lot of mealy meal! I tried it. Not bad actually. Kind of like a Malt-O-Meal/Grits combination.

When in Africa, Benny saw to it that we were all introduced personally to Nelson Mandela. I appreciated this honor very much. I appreciated my experience in Africa very much. It changed my life and taught me what humility means.

Benny does have body guards and is VERY well protected. That is to be expected though because the same can be said of many "famous" TV evangelists. They receive death threats on a daily basis from just about any group of people you can think of. Yes, God could protect them, but there is wisdom in having protection, too. (I also used to work at Chuck Swindoll's church in Fullerton, California. Chuck is the dearest man I've ever known. Beyond friendly, always generous and courteous. Never allowed himself to be put in a compromising situation. This dear man received death threats. He had one body guard but wasn't concerned about needing him. He said nobody would get past God if God didn't allow it. He refused to get a bullet-proof lectern.)

Benny's preaching became very vicious, angry, condescending, accusing and mean spirited. (As were his appearances on TBN.) By this time I was having doubts in my spirit. This didn't feel right to me anymore. I had spoken to Benny Hinn many times and got to know his crew/cast very well. Benny knew me and called me by name. (It was familiarity, not friendship.) Those at BHM that I respected have all left the ministry.

I got to the point where I would feel nauseous around him. It was time to go. I did speak to Benny about why I was leaving. I will leave the details of that conversation out, as well as his response...

These were my personal experiences with BHM. Take what I said with a grain of salt, ignore them, believe them or distrust them if you wish. I am not trying to convince anyone of anything.

Having said all that, I would like to add my own two cents about one thing. I hope sharing my personal experiences has earned me the privilege to do so.

Please, be careful to mind your attitude while you are "exposing" someone you don't like. Mind what you say and how you say it. There is a right and wrong way to do it. Be sure your motive and attitude are correct in doing so. It's easy for it to turn into blatant hostility and self-righteous gossip. Don't sin in the process. Some people are better at "exposing" false teachers, etc., than others. Maybe it's a type of gift or calling, I don't know. If it is, I sure don't have it.