Babylon, the Harlot and the Seven Headed Beast Explained.

[Revelation Man]

11 hours ago, Salty said:

You kept giving the wrong Scripture (Rev.10:20, go back and look). That's what I corrected you on. Nor have I "dodged" what you said, but countered it to show what the Scriptures actually say instead of some tradition.

 

That had nothing to do wit the proof I provided....That they are cast straight into hell. A typo, is easily understood anyway, because EVERYONE knows that verse, if I ha left off the verse and chapter you would have know it.

11 hours ago, Salty said:

The Antichrist is a ROLE in a play also, and is what the word "beast" in Rev.19:20 is referring to, BOTH the 1st beast of Rev.13:1-2 and the 2nd beast of Rev.13:11 forward.

1st beast = a kingdom, 10 horns, 10 crowns, 7 heads

2nd beast = the dragon

Antichrist = the dragon

the false prophet = the dragon

the dragon = Satan

All of those underlined things are destroyed at Christ's 2nd coming. The dragon (Satan) is not destroyed, which is why you don't find his name there in Rev.19:20, but you do find it in Rev.16:13.

Men's traditions are confused on all those different titles when they are simply titles for the same one that will do all those things, i.e., Satan himself. He is coming to this earth in our dimension with the image of man, and does not need a flesh body to manifest before man's eyes.

But indeed like Ezek.28:18 shows, the dragon will eventually be burned up also, but not until after... the 1,000 years per Rev.20.

The Beasts are CLEARLY Kingdoms that conquer Israel. 

[Revelation Man]

11 hours ago, Salty said:

You kept giving the wrong Scripture (Rev.10:20, go back and look). That's what I corrected you on. Nor have I "dodged" what you said, but countered it to show what the Scriptures actually say instead of some tradition.

 

That had nothing to do wit the proof I provided....That they are cast straight into hell. A typo, is easily understood anyway, because EVERYONE knows that verse, if I ha left off the verse and chapter you would have know it.

11 hours ago, Salty said:

The Antichrist is a ROLE in a play also, and is what the word "beast" in Rev.19:20 is referring to, BOTH the 1st beast of Rev.13:1-2 and the 2nd beast of Rev.13:11 forward.

1st beast = a kingdom, 10 horns, 10 crowns, 7 heads

2nd beast = the dragon

Antichrist = the dragon

the false prophet = the dragon

the dragon = Satan

All of those underlined things are destroyed at Christ's 2nd coming. The dragon (Satan) is not destroyed, which is why you don't find his name there in Rev.19:20, but you do find it in Rev.16:13.

Men's traditions are confused on all those different titles when they are simply titles for the same one that will do all those things, i.e., Satan himself. He is coming to this earth in our dimension with the image of man, and does not need a flesh body to manifest before man's eyes.

But indeed like Ezek.28:18 shows, the dragon will eventually be burned up also, but not until after... the 1,000 years per Rev.20.

The Beasts are CLEARLY Kingdoms that conquer Israel. 

[douggg]

10 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

The Beasts are CLEARLY Kingdoms that conquer Israel. 

How so? - Israel broke up into separate kingdoms before the Babylonian Captivity (of Judah), the Medes/Persians, the Greek occupancy, the Roman Empire occupancy and put down of the Jewish revolt.

[Revelation Man]

19 hours ago, Salty said:

You forget that the ten horns (ten kings) that are to reign "one hour" with the beast (i.e., beast king), as per Rev.17. That's who those other beasts are:

 

NO....The other Beasts that lose their Dominion but keep or prolong their Lives are the Beasts that Daniel was speaking of in Daniel, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome.....The Little Horn arises out of the Head of the Fourth Beast 2000 years after the Beast came Alive, then perished as a SUPER POWER. He comes up amongst 10 other Horns/Kings. The Little Horn is the BEAST.

 

19 hours ago, Salty said:

Look again. I know it's a tradition to think the beasts of Dan.7:12 is about those previously mentioned kingdoms of the first part of Dan.7, but it's actually about the ten horns that reign with the little horn, it's their lives that will be preserved along with the dragon in his pit prison throughout Christ's 1,000 years reign. At the end of the 1,000 years when Satan is loosed one final time is when those beasts (ten horns) will be "visited" as per Isaiah 24:22.

 

This is where you get confused...I KNOW the Little Horn and 10 Kings are END TIME BEINGS !! I know this !! But the Fourth Beast IS NOT AN END TIME BEAST !!! This is why all people studied in the bible speaks of a Revived Rome. There is a FOURTH BEAST (Really the 6th) and the a 5th Beast (REALLY THE SEVENTH) that Arises out of the FOURTH BEASTS HEAD............Or in the same Geo political sphere as the FOURTH BEAST............This is why it rises out of the Head of the Fourth Beast....It says and ANOTHER, unlike or different from the others shall arise....The others were Empires of many years, with various Kings. This will be an Empire ran by ONE MAN, and when he dies, its over. 

Everyone understands the Leopard is Alexander the Great.....So you want the Fourth Beast to be the Anti-Christ and just SKIP ROME all together ? The Fourth Beast is TWO BEASTS in one, Separated by 2000 years, or pretty much the exact length of the Church age.

19 hours ago, Salty said:

So I don't know what point you are arguing on that, but think you're simply confused by men's traditions on who the Antichrist is.

The Antichrist, the false prophet, the another beast, pseudo-Christ, they are all ROLES the devil is coming to play on earth, in the sight of men. Satan is that "dragon" of Rev.13 which says the whole world will worship.

This is the BEAST cast into hell, before the 1000 years..............As is the Little Horn that is cast into the fire in Daniel. 

[Revelation Man]

1 minute ago, douggg said:

How so? - Israel broke up into separate kingdoms before the Babylonian Captivity (of Judah), the Medes/Persians, the Greek occupancy, the Roman Empire occupancy and put down of the Jewish revolt.

We been through this on another site.......IT SEEMS......Any part of Gods people that are Conquered is considered GODS PEOPLE !!!!

So if you conquer that which belongs to God (Gods People) you are a Beast.

[douggg]

Just now, Revelation Man said:

We been through this on another site.......IT SEEMS......Any part of Gods people that are Conquered is considered GODS PEOPLE !!!!

So if you conquer that which belongs to God (Gods People) you are a Beast.

But God does not say that in the bible.

[Revelation Man]

10 hours ago, Salty said:

OK, here's how men's traditions get the idea of assigning the "false prophet" to the 2nd beast of Rev.13 even though there's no mention of the "false prophet" in Rev.13:

Rev 16:12-14
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
KJV

Notice that 14th verse that says those 3 come "working miracles".

So all three are to work miracles:
"dragon"
"the beast"
"the false prophet"

In Rev.13, the only one coming to work miracles on earth in the sight of men is the 2nd beast, i.e., the "another beast":

This clearly indicates the DEVILS are working Miracles.......For they (3) are the SPIRITS OF DEVILS, Working Miracles.

Rev. 20:10, the Beast AND the False Prophet are in Hell.............Thus they are both men, thus they are both BEASTS. 

10 hours ago, Salty said:

 

Here's another example of how Revelation uses titles:

Rev 11:7-8
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

 

The DRAGON is a "Beast" Animal so to speak also, John couldn't call this Creature he saw a Dragon, we would think its Satan, so he just called it a Beast............The 8th King is over the Seven, BUT.........He is a SPIRITUAL BEING. 

[Revelation Man]

8 hours ago, douggg said:

But God does not say that in the bible.

Well, he does, you just have to figure out the riddle. That's why God told Daniel to go his way, for these secrets will be locked up until the time of the end when knowledge has increased. Jesus told his own disciples when they asked him why he spoke in parables, that it was because the children of God were given the ability to understand, but those not of God, wouldn't understand no matter what.

[Revelation Man]

17 hours ago, Just a Mirror said:

Very good, only thing I can add is that the Catholic Church Leaders will transform the church into a new religion through the false prophet. it will not resemble the catholic church you see today. It will still be called Catholic by definition, but will have a new God at its head.

A long time ago I though on these lines. Then the Islam angle. Through much thought and prayer I have come to the opinion that neither is nor can be true. If the RCC is False Religion (Harlot) she HAS TO BE JUDGED AND DESTROYED (Rev. 17:16) same with Islam. I used to think the Pope would be the False Prophet, many Popes might go to hell, but I truly think the F.P. is going to be a Rabbi or Jewish Leader who will be a Rabbi or claim to be the Messiah. He will then proclaim the Beast as God. 

I think all those Murdered in Seal #2 are Islamic peoples being killed because he knows they will not conform. Christians also will become Martyrs (5th Seal). 

Kick it back and forth, that's how I learn things via God every day, kicking it back and Forth....God Bless.

[Salty]

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

NO....The other Beasts the lose their Dominion but keep their Lives are the Beasts that Daniel was speaking of in Daniel, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome.....The Little Horn arises out of the Head of the Fourth Beast 2000 years after the Beast came Alive them perished as a SUPER POWER. He comes up amongst 10 other Horns/Kings. The Little Horn is the BEAST.
 

That's an 'assumption' from men's traditions, just because the feet of ten toes is partly made up of iron, and the old Roman empire was the legs of iron.

A kingdom does not have a dominion, it IS... the dominion. It is the king... that has dominion over a kingdom. That's those beasts of Dan.7:12 is referring to the ten kings that rule one hour with the beast king of Rev.17. Jesus' coming and dominion are the events shown immediately prior... to that Dan.7:12 verse, which is why those beasts' dominion over those kingdoms is taken away, but their "lives" are preserved in the pit prison during Christ's 1,000 years reign, like the Isaiah 24 Scripture shows.

Just like you folks on men's traditions confuse the 1st beast of Rev.13:1-2 with thinking it's a person when it's actually a beast kingdom, likewise you do the same there in that Dan.7:12 verse with thinking it's about kingdoms when it's actually about the kings of the earth that rule with the little horn like Rev.17 shows.

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 

This is where you get confused...I KNOW the Little Horn and 10 Kings are END TIME BEINGS !! I know this !! But the Fourth Beast IS NOT AN END TIME BEAST !!! This is why all people studied in the bible speaks of a Revived Rome. There is a FOURTH BEAST (Really the 6th) and the a 5th Beast (REALLY THE SEVENTH) that Arises out of the FOURTH BEASTS HEAD............Or in the same Geo political sphere as the FOURTH BEAST............This is why it rises out of the Head of the Fourth Beast....It says and ANOTHER, unlike or different from the others shall arise....The others were Empires of many years, with various Kings. This will be an Empire ran by ONE MAN, and when he dies, its over. 

Everyone understands the Leopard is Alexander the Great.....So you want the Fourth Beast to be the Anti-Christ and just SKIP ROME all together ? The Fourth Beast is TWO BEASTS in one, Separated by 2000 years, or pretty much the exact length of the Church age.

This is the BEAST cast into hell, before the 1000 years..............As is the Little Horn that is cast into the fire in Daniel. 

Dan 2:34-35
34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
KJV

Count the number of pieces of the beast statue image. It has ONLY FIVE PIECES, each one representing a beast kingdom. I realize because the feet of ten toes have iron in it some deem that means a revived Roman empire, since the legs of iron represented the old Roman empire. But that in red shows us all five of these pieces are manifest "together" for the end when Jesus, that "stone", comes to smite that beast upon its feet and the whole thing comes tumbling down... together.

 

Dan 2:40-45
40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

The 4th beast kingdom idea with that 40th verse is the old Roman empire, legs of iron.

 

41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

This 41st verse is about the FIFTH and final beast kingdom of feet of ten toes of mixed iron and clay, simply because it will be the final beast kingdom of this present world when Jesus comes to destroy it and setup His Kingdom instead.

 

42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
KJV

So really, it's best to not get all hung up on the 4th beast idea in Dan.7.

In Rev.17:10, those are about beast kings, the 6th one being in Apostle John's days, the 7th one is the coming Antichrist at the end of this world. The 8th beast king points to Satan being loosed at the end of the 1,000 years to go tempt the nations one final time. There have been other beast kings and kingdoms of  history other than the four main ones the Book of Daniel mentions. (It didn't cover Egypt and that was a major beast kingdom in its time.)