Image of the beast

[idono]

10 hours ago, other one said:

we don't know what this mark will be; there is not anything we have today that will fit this without going to a total cashless society.....    once at that level, anything could be the mark.....   but I think it should be something kind of special so it can't be reproduced....   nothing in the world today meets that standard by itself.

I could reprogram chips myself if needed...   I have friends that could reproduce tattoos if necessary..... 

We'll have to see what transpires prior to this time.

I agree with you that the mark cannot be reproduced, it is a personal identification mark. I think RFID ( Radio Frequency Identification)  is very likely to be the mark of the beast. But I am still observing whether or not it is the mark.

One day, they will tell you all the technologies we are using, facial recognition, fingerprint are not secured so, implant this chip in order to make you to be able to making payment online or any other else.

 

[idono]

Chinese Bible translated this word "image" into "像", "像" could be meant "statue". That is why my first impression when I read the news about human like robot related to this scripture.

[other one]

6 hours ago, idono said:

I agree with you that the mark cannot be reproduced, it is a personal identification mark. I think RFID ( Radio Frequency Identification)  is very likely to be the mark of the beast. But I am still observing whether or not it is the mark.

One day, they will tell you all the technologies we are using, facial recognition, fingerprint are not secured so, implant this chip in order to make you to be able to making payment online or any other else.

You are taking it as a personal identification mark I assume because of not being able to buy or sell, but the actual scripture says that it is his mark, or his name or his number.    It isn't unique mark to identify a person as an individual, but a mark showing that persons allegiance to the beast.  it would not be possible to stop all financial transactions if we still have hard cash for there would always be people who would do black market stuff....    but once we go to cashless and everything is electronic, all they have to do is put a hold on one's accounts until they worship the beast and take his mark.

I am not saying that the chip "can't" be the mark, but it isn't what the context of scripture says.

We must also remember that Jesus told us that no one can snatch us from the Father's hand, so we can not be fooled or even accidentally take this mark, whatever it will be.

[brakelite]

Understanding prophetic symbolism 101...

Beast=empire/kingdom/nation. How do we know this?

Daniel 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle’s wings:….

Here is the first beast representing the first of 4 world empires, Babylon, as also revealed as the head of gold in Daniel 2. The other world empires agreed to by most Bible scholars were Medo-Periisa, Greece, and Rome.  A very sound principle when interpreting scripture, is to take all scripture language  literally, unless there exists some good reason for supposing it to be figurative; and all that is figurative is to be interpreted by that which is literal. That the language here is symbolic is evident when considering verse 17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
That the intention is to show kingdoms and not just individual kings is also evident by the appearance of beasts. Much as modern nations do today, U.S. the eagle; Russia the bear; N.Z. the Kiwi; Aust. the wallaby.etc. Verses 38 and 39 reveal that the first kingdom is Babylon, which rose to power through war and conquest. When Daniel mentioned in verse 2 the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea, this is symbolic language representing war and strife amongst nations. (Rev.17:15; Isaiah 17:12,13; Jer. 51:1; Jer. 25:32,33.) Not just one king is represented by the head of Gold...clearly by the time the Medes and Persians defeated Babylon, several kings had ruled over the empire, and there were also several different kings that ruled over Medea Persia, the first being Medes, and the Persian kings rising up more powerfully after.

The point being though that God is consistent in His dealngs with us, and once a symbol is estabished, he cleaves to it that we may not become confused over the meaning. God does want us to understand, that is why He gives us prophecy in the first place...and He doesn't change the rules half way through the game. Thus if beasts are kingdoms in the OT, they are kingdoms in the NT.  So the first beast of Revelation 13 is a kingdom, in fact a composite kingdom made up of the remnant of the original 4 as expressed in its description, and the second beast of Revel 13 is also a nation...a nation that raises up an image of the first nation. Thus it becomes or evolves into a copy of the orignal kingdom. Starting out like a lamb, it changes as it raises the image, and speaks as a dragon. The second beast, known as the 'false prophet', leads the world in submission to the first beast...a submission to its religious agenda and political tyranny. The mark is a mark of that kingdom...a mark or seal (used interchangably in scripture) that is a recognition on the part of the individual to that kingdom's sovereignty over his life, both political and spiritual. That first kingdom is the Antichrist power. The second kingdom creates a carbon copy of it. The first kingdom is the Vatican/RCC. which becomes a part of a world wide global conglomerate known as Babylon the Great, Mother of Harlots. The comes about after the second kingdom/nation, an apostate Protestant America joins ecumenically with the first beast (thus becoming like her...an image...and leading the world after her, causing all to receive her mark, and of course having the pwer to force all to do so under fiscal obligations and coercive bribery.

 

 

 

[other one]

13 minutes ago, brakelite said:

Understanding prophetic symbolism 101...

Beast=empire/kingdom/nation. How do we know this?

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Rev 20:10
10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
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Rev 19:19-20
 20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.
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it's going to be very interesting to watch him throw an entire empire/kingdom/nation into the lake of fire....   I guess I failed that 101 class.

 

[brakelite]

Empires are made up of people...like Babylon the Great...why else would God be calling His people out of her that they be not partakers of her punishment?

[idono]

21 hours ago, other one said:

You are taking it as a personal identification mark I assume because of not being able to buy or sell, but the actual scripture says that it is his mark, or his name or his number.    It isn't unique mark to identify a person as an individual, but a mark showing that persons allegiance to the beast.  it would not be possible to stop all financial transactions if we still have hard cash for there would always be people who would do black market stuff....    but once we go to cashless and everything is electronic, all they have to do is put a hold on one's accounts until they worship the beast and take his mark.

I am not saying that the chip "can't" be the mark, but it isn't what the context of scripture says.

We must also remember that Jesus told us that no one can snatch us from the Father's hand, so we can not be fooled or even accidentally take this mark, whatever it will be.

During that 42 months period, the cash will not be accepted as a medium of exchange. Banknotes we are using nowadays are "fiat money", the money without intrinsic value and are established as money by governments decree. For example, government has decreed its dollars to be valid money. If the world government use another new electronic money to replace all the money that exist on earth and make all the money to become invalid, then we will not be able to trade except by using the electronic money that the government approved. All the cash in our hand will become wastepaper, no people even the black market will accept the banknotes that lose its value. 

RFID chip will store all your personal information, biodata, fingerprint, medical data, driving licence, identification card, bank accounts info, all in one to enable you to be more convenient to trade and even use the chip to start your car and open the doors.

I am sorry, I misunderstood your "reproduce" as "counterfeit".

[other one]

2 hours ago, idono said:

During that 42 months period, the cash will not be accepted as a medium of exchange. Banknotes we are using nowadays are "fiat money", the money without intrinsic value and are established as money by governments decree. For example, government has decreed its dollars to be valid money. If the world government use another new electronic money to replace all the money that exist on earth and make all the money to become invalid, then we will not be able to trade except by using the electronic money that the government approved. All the cash in our hand will become wastepaper, no people even the black market will accept the banknotes that lose its value. 

RFID chip will store all your personal information, biodata, fingerprint, medical data, driving licence, identification card, bank accounts info, all in one to enable you to be more convenient to trade and even use the chip to start your car and open the doors.

I am sorry, I misunderstood your "reproduce" as "counterfeit".

you can counterfeit a chip today   Put any information on the things that you want.   I can put your number and my bio stuff and steal your identity with no problem...   the software and hardware costs about $75.   Just because it can be used for tracking your activities doesn't make it the mark.    It would not be effective without having a cashless society and once a cashless society anything could be the mark, even some kind of RFID.   but today's RFID chips are not secure enough to do that.

However they have been shown to cause cancer in animals so you should never take one anyway.

[idono]

6 hours ago, eileenhat said:

No.

The image of the Beast is television and the internet.  Both put out real images of the Beast system to enthrall the masses for Satan.

It was before that radio, telephone and telegraph.  Newspapers also contributed.

All these means sought to 'mark' people (as turn them into 'Marx'ists, with 'schools' providing 'images' in their classrooms) and turn them from Christ.

As people 'worship' the UN, NATO and other Beast system venues that establish a one world government under Satan's domain (he vainly hoped).  God revealed to me he part about Marxism being the mark of the Beast last month....just saying how I knew that as no one on-line has come right out and declared that.

 

I strongly agree with you that China's Socialism system will dominate the world in the future, Chinese Socialism is an evolution of Marxism. Please tell me more about what God has revealed to you.

[idono]

4 hours ago, other one said:

you can counterfeit a chip today   Put any information on the things that you want.   I can put your number and my bio stuff and steal your identity with no problem...   the software and hardware costs about $75.   Just because it can be used for tracking your activities doesn't make it the mark.    It would not be effective without having a cashless society and once a cashless society anything could be the mark, even some kind of RFID.   but today's RFID chips are not secure enough to do that.

However they have been shown to cause cancer in animals so you should never take one anyway.

when you mentioned about cancer causing what comes to my mind is the first bowl in Revelation. Ugly and painful sores broke out on the people who had the mark of the beast and worshiped his image.