Why Liberals Love Islam

[Omegaman 3.0]

A few times in this thread and in other, the assertion is made that Allah is not the true God. I just need to point out, that this is not always a true statement, and that some people (true Christian believers) are distressed to hear in these posts, that the God of the Bible, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of Israel, it not the true God.

What is proper to say, is that the God of Islam, is not the true God. Allah is an Arabic word for God, it is not the name of God. Arab speaking Christians use the Word Allah to refer to the true God. They have a Allah the Father, Allah the Son, and Allah the Holy Spirit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah#Christianity

This might not be an issue, if the Forum was only open to English speaking westerners, that is not the case. There are those here at Worthy, who would really appreciate it if we could stop referring to the God of the Bible, as a false and demonic God. I know no one is intending to offend the Christian brothers and Sisters, but when we say "Allah is a false god", it sounds to them like blasphemy. Please, in love, be sensitive to them.

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8 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

I have racked my brain for years, trying to figure out why atheists and far-left liberals support Islam and even push educating our children in public schools about the “Religion of Peace.” The videos of beheadings and mass executions do not affect them. And obviously, their tiresome mantra “Separation of Church and State” doesn’t apply to Islam.

In my articles about Islam, I have said that I believe that Allah is Satan. I also believe that the Islamic jihadists are demon possessed. There are approximately 1.6 billion Muslims on our planet. A little over 300 million of them are jihadists and want us dead.

“In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them” (2 Corinthians 4:4).

“We, as infidels in the eyes of our enemy, need to understand the danger we face: A totalitarian ideology – whether its origin is mainstream or marginal – threatens to enslave, dominate, and murder us in order to realize its vision for global conquest.” ~Brigitte Gabriel from They Must Be Stopped

“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places” (Ephesians 6:12)

We are NOT fighting the Muslims. We ARE wrestling against principalities, rulers of darkness and spiritual wickedness — SATAN and his demons!

People have responded to me in shock and anger at calling Allah, Satan. They defend the “god” of the Muslims. And to that I say “Yes! Allah is god, but NOT the God of the Bible. He is the god of this world!

For more please read:  https://grandmageri422.me/2017/01/30/why-liberals-love-islam/

I am in total agreement with you shilo, they worship the PAGAN Moon god, and the enemy of both God and man, Satan and his demons.

Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship as far back as 2000 BC.
In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah.
This Hubal was a moon god.
One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god Hubal was placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. This may in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque throughout the world:

About four hundred years before the birth of Muhammad one Amr bin Lahyo ... a descendant of Qahtan and king of Hijaz, had put an idol called Hubal on the roof of the Kaba. This was one of the chief deities of the Quraish before Islam. (Muhammad The Holy Prophet, Hafiz Ghulam Sarwar (Pakistan), p 18-19, Muslim)
The moon god was also referred to as "al-ilah". This is not a proper name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning "the god". Each local pagan Arab tribe would refer to their own local tribal pagan god as "al-ilah".
"al-ilah" was later shortened to Allah before Muhammad began promoting his new religion in 610 AD.
There is evidence that Hubal was referred to as "Allah".
When Muhammad came along, he dropped all references to the name "Hubal" but retained the generic "Allah".

Muhammad retained almost all the pagan rituals of the Arabs at the Kaba and redefined them in monotheistic terms.
Regardless of the specifics of the facts, it is clear that Islam is derived from paganism that once worshiped a moon-god.
Although Islam is today a monotheist religion, its roots are in paganism.

[Churchmouse]

They don't love Islam. They think we are all nuts by believing in what they don't believe in and simply think that Christianity is the root of all evil because we stand up for traditional values that have to deal with our religion and that stands in their way of having their, Quote/unquote FREE SOCIETY. They have the mindset that all we are are bigoted racists and think we hate everyone who is different from them.

Islam, is not Islam to them, because it's just another hookie bogus religion to them, but since the are so familiar with Christianity, who they wish to destroy they believe that any enemy of ours is a friend to them and they embrace anyone who stands in opposition to us. They think they can control these people once they've diminished Christianity and then they assume that they will be in charge and free to create their liberal utopia.

That's not going to be the case. All they will do is endanger everyone, and since they are so reticent to take responsibility for their actions they will simply blame us for the entire thing.

[Churchmouse]

57 minutes ago, Yowm said:

So the reason is humanistic for the hatred of Christianity rather than a spiritual reason?

Yes, they look back at all the craziness that happened because of the Catholic church, The crusades, The Spanish inquisition all the religious wars that raged in the past in Europe and toss in the slave trade and the resettlement of the native Indians all on Christianity.  They don't separate any denomination from any other, because that would mean they would have to think about us instead of group us all together as a amalgamation of wackjobs. Why do you think they go after those who do all this crazy stuff like put a date on the end of the world and burn Korans. These people get sensationalized and are spread across the media as the quote/unquote  standard of Christianity?

 

Then you have the gay, transgender and other sexual transmitted insanity that we are against. The liberals aren't actually for these people as much as they try to use them as pawn to vote them back into office, so they can stay in charge. The Muslims are just the newest version of their narrative and they think they can control them like they control the minority communities. Why do you think that Muslim who killed all those gay people in that nightclub was shut up so quickly. Having one group they are supposed to champion go against another group they champion doesn't work well with the narrative they want to keep to.

 

They call Islam the religion of peace because so many Muslims have come to our country and have entered our universities. Their youth have used the victim card to turn students against Israel and they have spoken about their association with Islam as if their experience in the faith as being Muslim would be the same as if they weren't Muslim. Of course a practising Muslim would be treated better than whom they call infidels.  These students get this one sided world veiw of this faith and then get the condemnation of Christianity from the liberal teachers in the university and in the media. What do you think will be these students attitudes towards Christianity after that onslaught?

I sometimes wonder if the liberals think that if they bring in enough Muslims in the country that we as Christians will concentrate on the Muslims and not bother them. They might just be hopeful that we fight  each other enough to push those fence sitters away from religion or kill each other off. Either way, they think they will be less imposed on by the Christian community and they think that will be a good thing. 

What they don't know is we have a real religion with a real God and I don't think whatever they are scheming will come to fruition. I don't know if He sent President Trump, but I am more than certain he didn't send his predecessor.

Edited February 1, 2017 by Churchmouse

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Their aim is to control the world.

Shariah Finance Watch is a project of the Center for Security Policy‘s program to educate the public and policymakers about the dangers of Shariah. For a more in-depth look at Shariah, see Shariah: The Threat to America, a report by 19 top national security practitioners– including the former Director of Central Intelligence, the former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, and the former Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. Shariah: The Threat to America is available on paperback and Kindle at Amazon.com.
Below are frequently asked questions about Shariah and Shariah-Compliant Finance, or Islamic Banking.

 

What is shariah?

Understanding Shariah law is integral to understanding the dangers of Shariah-compliant finance. Shariah law is Islamic law dating back to the 7th century and is today the law of the land in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Sudan and the law under which the Taliban operates.
Shariah law authorities, some of whom are now being paid handsomely by Barclays, Dow Jones, Standard & Poors, HSBC, Citibank, Merrill Lynch, Deutschebank, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, UBS, Credit Suisse and others have the power to dictate Shariah compliance as deemed by “scholarly consensus” on matters of finance, family, penal law, apostasy, and war. Examples of authoritarian Shariah law include: requirement of women to obtain permission from husbands for daily freedoms; beating of disobedient woman and girls; execution of homosexuals; engagement of polygamy and forced child marriages; the testimony of four male witnesses to prove rape; honor killings of those, principally women, who have dishonored the family; death to apostate Muslims who chose to leave Islam; inferior status of non-Muslims, and capital punishment for those who “slander Islam.”

What are some of the risks of shariah-compliant finance?

National Security and Financial Risks: Islamists are attempting to impose Shariah Compliant Finance (SCF) on Western institutions to use our own financial strengths against us. The most serious problem with SCF is that it legitimates and institutionalizes Shariah law (i.e., Islamic law), a theo-political- legal doctrine violently opposed to Western values. With $1 -$2 trillion petrodollars annually looking for an investment home, blind exuberance is driving financial institutions to adopt SCF, without even a minimal baseline for legal compliance. This willful blindness, and lack of both transparency and due diligence may cause SCF to be the next sub-prime crisis, but this time with deadly consequences.
Legal Risks: Western financial institutions which adopt SCF may have criminal and civil exposure to claims of aiding and abetting sedition and the material support of terrorism, securities fraud, consumer fraud, racketeering, and antitrust violations, as well as exposure to tort claims for sedition and terrorism, and for the violation of internationally recognized norms of the law of nations.
Terror Financing Mechanism: SCF as monitored by paid Shariah law advisors to U.S. banking institutions must “purify” certain return on investment (ROI) dollars that do not meet Shariah law standards. This money must be donated to Islamic charities – including some that promote Jihad and support suicide bombing. Investment disclosures state that these profits can be as high as 6% of profits of investments. With $800 billion already in SCF assets, the potential for billions of dollars to be siphoned off for terrorism is real. This would be a serious criminal violation of U.S. law.

Consider this example: Shariah Mutual Funds promote themselves as “ethical funds.” To be Shariah-compliant, they donate “tainted” revenues to Shariah-compliant “charities.” A post 9-11 U.S. investor in a Shariah-compliant “ethical investment” is not told that Shariah law also requires imposing Shariah as U.S. law, execution of gays and female apartheid. Is he a victim of consumer fraud? Is this same post 9-11 investor unwittingly funding terror? The government has shut down the three largest Shariah-compliant charities in the U.S. – the Holy Land Foundation, Benevolence International Foundation, and the Global Relief Foundation – after proving they funded terrorist organizations.The American taxpayer deserves answers to these questions. The Center for Security Policy (CSP) is meeting directly with members of Congress, U.S. regulatory agencies and Wall Street financial institutions in order to ensure the enforcement of existing U.S. laws on sedition, disclosure, material support of terrorism, and money-laundering. CSP is committed to revealing the civil liability and criminal exposure of Shariah law and Shariah-compliant finance.

 

How is shariah related to jihad?

Shariah mandates as a religious obligation, conducting violent jihad against non-Muslims to establish Islam’s rule worldwide in a form known as the caliphate.

How does shariah finance relate to shariah itself?

Shariah finance is indistinguishable from shariah itself, since its followers consider shariah immutable, indivisible, and mandatory for Muslims to follow in all aspects of life. Muslims are not allowed to pick and choose different aspects of shariah to follow. Anyone that infers that shariah finance is something apart from shariah is simply being dishonest. In fact, the main purpose of shariah finance is to promote shariah.

Where is shariah-compliant finance most prominent?

According to the November 2007 edition of The Banker, Iran dominates the world of shariah-compliant finance. Three of the five largest shariah-compliant financial institutions in the world—including the top two—are Iranian. The amount of shariah-compliant financial assets in institutions in Iran is over twice as large as the amount in financial institutions in the world’s second largest shariah-compliant country, Saudi Arabia.

How does shariah finance threaten Americans?

Shariah finance is a threat to Western values, human rights and US national security. Shariah finance has a political objective: to legitimize shariah in the West. Evidence indicates that shariah-compliant finance provides financial support to extremism and terrorism. Shariah-compliant financial institutions employ shariah scholars, many of whom have been shown to be extremists, even to the point of advocating suicide bombing and jihad against America. Among the decisions these scholars make is the donation of 2.5% or more of annual earnings to Muslim charities. Similar to zakat, earnings from investments that are judged to have been unislamic must be purified through donations to charities as well. Given the extremist tendencies of these scholars and the fact that no fewer than 27 charities have been designated as funding terrorism by the US Treasury Department, this presents a hazard which could obviously threaten US national security.
In sum, shariah finance represents a number of potential threats to the US, including possible financing of terrorism and extremist Islamist organizations and movements, infiltrating our financial markets and legitimizing shariah.

Have shariah-compliant financial institutions been tied to terrorism?

There are a number of well-documented cases in which shariah-compliant financial institutions have participated in the financial support of terrorism. For instance, two shariah-compliant banks registered in the Bahamas, Bank Al-Taqwa and Akida Bank, were, according to the US Treasury Department, shell companies actually run out of Italy and Switzerland, whose only real business was laundering money to terrorists. From 1988 until November 2001 when it was designated a terrorist entity by the US government and the UN, Bank Al-Taqwa transferred tens of millions of dollars to HAMAS, Al Qaeda, the PLO, Algerian Armed Islamic Group (GIA), the Taliban, Egyptian Gama’a al Islamiya and the Tunisian An-Nahda.
In another case, prominent members of the Saudi royal family were co-investors with Osama Bin Laden in the Sudanese Shamal Islamic Bank while several designated terrorists maintained accounts there.

How have shariah-compliant financial institutions used charities to fund terrorist groups?

Generally, shariah-compliant financial institutions have provided funds to terrorist and extremist groups through Islamic “charities.” The financial institutions donate the money to the charities which then steer the funds to terrorist groups. For example, both Bank Al-Taqwa and Akida Bank used charities in Europe, the Middle East and the US to funnel money to terrorist groups.

Have shariah-compliant financial institutions in the US been tied to terrorism?

Yes. Bait u Mal al Islami (BMI), a shariah-compliant investment company based in Seacaucus, NJ, which promoted itself as an Islamic alternative to conventional investments and solicited funds for real estate development, was called by US federal prosecutors as the “US banker for the Muslim Brotherhood.” In testimony before a US Senate committee, former White House counterterrorism advisor Richard Clarke said that BMI’s financial services were little more than a cover “to conceal terrorist support,” and that its investor list “read like a who’s who of designated terrorists and Islamic extremists.”
BMI worked closely with the Bank Al-Taqwa/Akida Bank network in transferring millions of dollars to terrorist groups through them, while receiving large amounts from well-known donors suspected of funding terrorism. These included the Hamas top leader, Mousa Abu Marzouk, who made a number of investments with BMI. Tellingly, BMI continued to work with Marzouk even after the latter was declared an internationally designated terrorist by the United States government in 1995.

How widespread is the use of Islamic charities to fund terror?

No one in the West knows for sure how widespread the use of Muslim charities for terrorism funding actually is, however, the US Treasury Department has so far designated no fewer than 27 Muslim charities in the US and worldwide as terrorism entities due to their funding of terrorist groups like Al Qaeda, HAMAS and others.

We know that there is state sponsorship of terrorism. Is there state sponsorship of shariah finance?

State sponsorship of shariah finance has been ongoing since its inception with the founding of the first shariah-compliant bank in 1975, Islamic Development Bank (IDB). In Iran, which has more shariah-compliant institutions than any other nations, all of the banks are in fact state-run.

Have shariah-compliant financial institutions been tied to weapons of mass destruction?

Yes. Iran’s largest bank, Bank Melli, which was named in the November 2007 edition of The Banker as the largest shariah-compliant bank in the world, has been put under sanctions by both the US government and the European Union for its role in financing Iran’s nuclear and ballistic missile programs.

How does shariah finance threaten freedom-loving Muslims in the West?

The effect of legitimizing and promoting sharia in the West can already be seen in Western Europe. Promoting shariah incapsulates Muslim communities from mainstream society and even creates enclaves controlled by shariah. Shariah-compliant finance plays a particular role in this because, a devout Muslim living in a Western country in which there are no shariah-compliant banks are allowed to use conventional “infidel” institutions under the sharia doctrine of “extreme necessity.” However, once shariah-compliant institutions do exist, they are religiously obligated to patronize them exclusively. Thus, by allowing the spread of shariah finance in the West and the US, we are pushing Muslims toward shariah.

What can our government do to protect our markets from shariah finance?

There is much that the government can and should do to regulate sharia finance to ensure that it does not result in the promotion of sharia in the US and the financing of terrorism.

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FAMOUS QUOTES ABOUT MUSLIMS AND ISLAM

• The situation in the East will not be successful until we remove the hijab from the woman and use it to cover up the Koran.
  William Gladstone, Prime Minister of Britain.
   
• Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog.
  Sir Winston Churchill, Prime Minister of Britain.
   
• Millions of Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Buddhists are also poor, illiterate and oppressed. Do they engage in riots, terrorism, bomb blasts, population explosion and Jihad like Muslims do?
  Taslima Nasrin, Bangladeshi author and physician, self-exiled from her homeland under threat from Muslims.
   
• A woman converting to Islam is like a black person converting to slavery.
  Anonymous.
   
• I understand the Arabs wanting to wipe us out, but do they really expect us to cooperate?
  Gold Meir, Prime Minister of Israel
   
• Who can challenge the rights of the Jews in Palestine? Good Lord, historically it is really your country.
  Yusuf Diya Al-Khalidi, Arab mayor of Jerusalem, 1899.

MUSLIMS IN AUSTRALIA

• An act of terror on Australian soil will be the fault of the government.
  Uthman Badar, Islamic cleric.
   
• I am telling you that my religion doesn't tolerate other religion. It doesn't tolerate. The only one law which needs to spread, it can be here or anywhere else, has to be Islam.
  Abu Bakr, Islamic cleric.
   
• We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam. Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid. Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom.
  Sheik Feiz Mohammed, head of the Global Islamic Youth Centre, Sydney NSW.
   
• I can't wait for the day when we start to slice all your throats, all we submit to the will of Allah and his religion Islam. Get ready infidels for a blood-bath, get ready world for an uprising, we will have victory.
  Khaled ibn Walid, Bankstown NSW.
   
• All deserve to die if they forbid Islam and its followers. We are already here my fellow Australians, so arm yourselves with whatever you got and trust me, arm yourselves.
  Khaled ibn Walid, Bankstown NSW.
   
• You claim that we are terrorists, but the only terrorists are yourselves. Camden will be the first to taste this onslaught if things don't go well, but not the last.
  Khaled ibn Walid, Bankstown NSW.
   
• You can contact your Police, your ASIO, your Western-backed Zionist governments, but will not even leave a scratch on the Muslim ummah as we will exterminate all for the path of Allah.
  Khaled ibn Walid, Bankstown NSW.
   
• In reality, free speech is one of the many political tools that are used to maintain dominance over the Muslims.
  Sufyan Badar, Lakemba NSW.
   
• We reject freedom of speech yesterday, we rejected freedom of speech today and we reject your freedom tomorrow.
  Sufyan Badar, Lakemba NSW.
   
• Oh Allah, count the Buddhists and the Hindus one by one. Oh Allah, count them and kill them to the very last one.
  Sharif Hussein, Australian cleric

MUSLIMS IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND ASIA

• Islam was never a religion of peace. Islam is the religion of fighting. No-one should believe that the war that we are waging is the war of the Islamic State. It is the war of all Muslims, but the Islamic State is spearheading it. It is the war of Muslims against infidels.
  Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, leader of Islamic State terrorist group
   
• I have been made victorious through terror.
  Mohammed, founder of Islam
   
• One day, millions of Muslims will leave the southern hemisphere to go to the northern hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.
  Houari Boumediene, president of Algeria
   
• We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe, without swords, without guns, without conquests. The 50 million Muslims of Europe will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades.
  Muammar Gaddafi, former president of Libya
   
• Saudi men should molest those women who want to work.
  Abdullah Al Dawood, Saudi writer.
   
• Rape victims should keep quiet.
  Syed Munawar Hassan, Muslim Indian political leader.
   
• A DNA test should not be used as evidence in a rape case.
  Khan Sherani, chairman of the Islamic Ideology Council.
   
• Marriage in childhood is permissible as long as it is not performed under forbidden tradition
  Khan Sherani, chairman of the Islamic Ideology Council.
   
• If a woman gets raped walking in public alone, then she herself is at fault. She is only seducing men by her presence. She should have stayed at home like a Muslim woman.
  Dr Abd Al-Aziz Fawzan Al-Fawzan, professor of Islamic law, Saudi Arabia.
   
• The world will be in the hands of Islam over the next few years.
  Mahmoud Ahmedinejad, former president of Iran.
   
• It is the nature of Islam to dominate, not to be dominated, to impose its law on all nations and to extend its power to the entire planet.
  Hassan Al-Banna, founder of the Muslim Brotherhood
   
• The most honourable death is by killing. And the most honourable killing and the most honourable martyrdom is when a man is killed for the sake of Allah.
  Hassan Nasrallah, Hezbollah Security General.
   
• Jihad in the name of God is the fountainhead of everything.
  Omar Abdel-Rahman (The Blind Sheikh), "The Making of an Islamic Symbol".
   
• I summon my blue-eyed slaves anytime it pleases me. I command the Americans to send me their bravest soldiers to die for me. Anytime I clap my hands, a stupid genie called the American ambassador appears to do my bidding. When the Americans die in my service their bodies are frozen in metal boxes by the US Embassy and American airplanes carry them away, as if they never existed. Truly, America is my favorite slave.
  King Fahd bin Abdul-Aziz, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.
   
• There are 50 million Arabs. What does it matter if we lose 10 million people to kill all the Jews? The price is worth it.
  King ibn Saud, Saudi Arabia.
   
• This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre, which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres.
  Abdul Rahman Hassan Azzam, Secretary General of the Arab League.
   
• I declare a Holy War, my Muslim Brothers! Murder the Jews! Murder them all!
  Haj Amin al-Husseini, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.
   
• Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled or incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of other countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by the unbelievers? Islam says: Kill them (the non-Muslims), put them to the sword and scatter their armies. Does this mean sitting back until non-Muslims overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender to the enemy? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other Koranic psalms and Hadiths urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.
  Ayatollah Khomeini, Iran.
   
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• Why do you Mullahs only go after the ordinances of prayer and fasting? Why do you only read the Quranic verses of mercy and do not read the verses of killing?
  Ayatollah Khomeini, Iran.
   
• Koran says; kill, imprison! Why are you only clinging to the part that talks about mercy?
  Ayatollah Khomeini, Iran.
   
• Mercy is against God. Mehrab means the place of war, the place of fighting. Out of the mehrabs, wars should proceed, just as all the wars of Islam used to proceeded out of the mehrabs. The prophet has had sword to kill people.. Our Imams were quite military men. All of them were warriors. They used to wield swords; they used to kill people.
  Ayatollah Khomeini, Iran.
   
• We need a Khalifa who would chop hands, cut throat, stone people. In the same way that the messenger of God used to chop hands, cut throats, and stone people. In the same way that he massacred the Jews of Bani Qurayza because they were a bunch of discontent people. If the Prophet used to order to burn a house or exterminate a tribe, that was justice.
  Ayatollah Khomeini, Iran.
   
• The lives of people must be secured through punishment. Because, the protection of the masses lies beneath these very punitive executions.
  Ayatollah Khomeini, Iran.
   
• With just a few years of imprisonment things don't get fixed. You must put aside these childish sentimentalism. We believe that the accused essentially does not have to be tried. He or she must just be killed. Only their identity is to be established and then they should be killed.
  Ayatollah Khomeini, Iran.
   
• The author of the Satanic Verses book, which is against Islam, the Prophet and the Koran, and all those involved in its publication who were aware of its content, are sentenced to death. I ask all Muslims to execute them wherever they find them.
  Ayatollah Khomeini, Iran.
   
• Muslims must kill non-believers wherever they are, unless they convert to Islam.
  Dr Ali Gomaa, Grand Mufti of Egypt.
   
• Before Israel dies, it must be humiliated and degraded. Allah willing, before they die, they will experience humiliation and degradation. Allah willing, we will make them lose their eyes.
  Khaled Mashal, HAMAS leader.
   
• Muslims are masters of the world, its leaders and teachers, even if the West rejects this.
  Dr Hamza Dhib Mustafa, member of the Palestinian Authority Supreme Fatwa Council, Al Quds.
   
• We will never accept any accord with the Infidels (Christians) or the Zionists (Jews) as they are the leeches that must be eliminated and it is Islam's faithful that will exterminate them from Allah's world.
  Mahmoud A-Zahar, former Palestinian foreign minister and HAMAS member.
   
• The scum of the human race, the rats of the world, the violators of pacts and agreements, the murderers of the prophets, and the offspring of apes and pigs.
  Abd Al-Rahman Al-Sudayyis, imam at the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia.
   
• The enemies of Allah, descendants of apes and pigs.
  Mohammed Sayyid Tantawi, Sunni cleric, Egypt.
   
• The Jews are destined to be persecuted, humiliated, and tortured forever and it is a Muslim duty to see to it that they reap their due. No petty arguments must be allowed to divide us. Where Hitler failed, we must succeed.
  Tayseer Rajab Tamimi, the Palestinian Authority's chief Islamic judge.
   
• The mosques are our barracks, the domes are our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers.
  Recep Tayyip Erdogan, President of Turkey.
   
• The term "Moderate Muslim" is ugly and offensive. There is no moderate Islam. Islam is Islam.
  Tayyip Recep Erdogan, Prime Minister of Turkey.
   
• Democracy, freedom and the rule of law - for us, these words have absolutely no value any longer.
  Tayyip Recep Erdogan, Prime Minister of Turkey.
   
• Every child is born a Muslim; his parents and society convert him to other religions"
  Asaduddin Owaisi, Muslim politician.
   
• Those who dare insult Prophet Mohammed deserve death and there is no need to initiate legal procedure against them.
  Haji Yakub Qureshi, Muslim Indian politician.
   
• Women have no right to refuse sex from their husbands, even when riding on the back of a camel. There is no such thing as rape in marriage.
  Mufti Tan Sri Harussani Zakaria, Malaysian cleric.

MUSLIMS IN THE USA AND CANADA

• We demand a state ruled by the Koran. They say that the caliphate makes the infidels angry. Don’t we want to make the infidels angry? Isn’t this Islam? Let America and Britain hate the caliphate. Let Britain, America and the entire West go to hell, because the caliphate is coming, Allah willing.
  Mohammed Malkawi, founder of terrorist organisation Hiz-Ut-Tahrir, Chicago.
   
• Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America and Islam the only accepted religion on earth.
  Omar Ahmad, Council on American-Islamic Relations, USA.
   
• Let us continue the protests. Let us damn America. Let us damn Israel. Let us damn their allies until death. Mohammad is leader. The Qur'an is our constitution. Jihad is our path.
  Sami Al-Arian, Leader of Palestinian Islamic Jihad, USA.
   
• Now, all our imams, our public speakers, should be concentrating on militarising the Muslim public. Only carrying arms will do this task.
  Mohammed Al-Asi, Former imam at the Washington DC Islamic Centre, USA.
   
• I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future.
  Ibrahim Hooper, Council on American-Islamic Relations, USA.
   
• Ultimately, we Muslims can never be full citizens of this country, because there is no way we can be fully committed to the institutions and ideologies of this country.
  Ihsan Bagby, Council on American-Islamic Relations, USA.
   
• Well, we've been watching intifada in Palestine, we've been watching an uprising in Iraq and the question is that what are we doing? How come we don't have an intifada in this country?
  Hatem Bazian, UC Berkeley lecturer, USA.
   
• We must implement Islam as a totality, in which Allah controls every place, the home, the classroom, the science lab, the halls of Congress.
  Amir Abdul Malik Ali, Oakland CA imam, USA.
   
• In time, this so-called democracy will crumble, and there will be nothing. and the only thing left will be Islam.
  Siraj Wahhaj, Brooklyn NY imam, USA.
   
• The first principle is that terrorism, and terrorism alone, is the path to liberation. The second principle is that settlement is decided by the sword.
  Fawaz Damra, former Cleveland OH area imam, USA.
   
• If you don't give us justice, if you don't give us equality, if you don't give us our share of America, if you don't stay out of our way and leave us alone, we're gonna burn America down.
  Abdul Alim Musa, Washington DC imam, USA.
   
• You have learned the way, that you have known that the jihad way is the way to liberate your land.
  Dr Esam Omeish, Muslim American Society, USA.
   
• Muslims cannot accept the legitimacy of the existing American order, since it is against the orders and ordainments of Allah.
  Imam Zaid Shakir, former Muslim chaplain at Yale University, USA.
   
• I swear by Allah that war is deception. We are fighting our enemy with a kind heart. Deceive, camouflage, pretend you are leaving while you're walking that way. Deceive your enemy.
  Shukri Abu Baker, Holy Land Foundation, USA.
   
• She (Ayaan Hirsi Ali) has been identified as one who has defamed the faith. If you come into the faith, you must abide by the laws. And when you decide to defame it deliberately, the sentence is death.
  Fouad El Bayly, Johnstown PA Islamic Centre imam, USA.
   
• The 9/11 hijackers should be honoured as martyrs. The US risks further terrorism attacks because it oppresses Muslims around the world. Without justice, there will be warfare and it can come to this country too.
  Warith Deen Umar, former Muslim chaplain, New York, USA.
   
• When we hear someone refer to the great mujahid Osama bin Laden as a 'terrorist', we should defend our brother and refer to him as a freedom fighter
  From "The Spirit of Jihad", published July 1999, in Al-Talib, the Muslim News magazine at UCLA, USA.
   
• Jews and Christians are filthy. Their lives and property can be taken in jihad by the Muslims.
  Abu Ammaar Yasr Qadir, Islamic imam, Tennessee, USA.
   
• If we are practising Muslims, we are above the law of the land.
  Mustafa Carroll, Director of Council on American Islamic Relations, USA.
   
• Any Israeli over age 18 is a legitimate target for suicide bombers because adult Israelis were required to do military service. They are part of the Israeli army, even if they have civilian clothes.
  Mohamed Elmasry, President of the Canadian Islamic Congress, Canada.
   
• We know what happened over the last week and how the brothers of the monkeys and the swine (Jews) assassinated and murdered one of the heroes of Islam, the Salah al-Din of this day and age, Ahmed Yassin. Then what will happen? Listen to the good news after that. The prophet says that the stone and the tree will say, 'Oh Muslim, oh slave of Allah, that verily behind me is a Jew. Then come and kill him'.
  Sheik Younus Kathrada, head of the Dar al-Madinah Islamic Society in East Vancouver, Canada.
   
• Jews and Christians are filthy, their lives and property can be taken in jihad by the Muslims.
  Abu Ammaar Yasir Qadhi, Dean of Academic Affairs at the Al-Maghrib Institute USA.
   
• Islam is an ideology. It's not a race.
  Ibrahim Hooper, Council on American-Islamic Relations spokesperson

MUSLIMS IN EUROPE

• The real weapons of mass destruction are the desire for martyrdom. Millions of you are ready to be shaheed. Half a million martyrdom shaheed is enough for Muslims to control the whole of earth forever. In the end of the day, Islam must control earth, whether we like it or not.
  Abu Hamza al-Masri, Islamic cleric, Britain.
   
• We are going to take England. The Muslims are coming. Now we are taking over Birmingham and populating it. These people are like a tsunami coming across Europe.
  Anjem Choudary, cleric, Britain.
   
• You can’t say Islam is a religion of peace because Islam does not mean peace. Islam means submission. So the Muslim is one who submits. There is a place for violence in Islam. There is a place for Jihad in Islam.
  Anjem Choudary, cleric, Britain.
   
• The Koran is full of, you know, Jihad is the most talked about duty in the Koran other than belief. Nothing else is mentioned more than the topic of fighting.
  Anjem Choudary, cleric, Britain.
   
• Whoever insults Islam or the Prophet Mohammed deserves capital punishment.
  Anjem Choudary, cleric, Britain.
   
• We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians - only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value.
  Sheikh Omar Bakri, Britain.
   
• Terrorism is a part of Islam.
  Abu Izzadeen, Muslim convert, Britain.
   
• Islam is not like Christianity. Our Islam is a political movement. The Bible is not like the Koran. The Koran has 500 verses about politics and ruling, about its Sharia laws and its justice system. You don't find that in the Bible. There is a big difference, therefore we cannot in Islam separate politics on the one side and religion on the other. Religion and politics go hand-in-hand in Islam.
  Mullah Krekor, Muslim preacher, Norway.
   
• But I think that within the next 20 years, we will again have our Caliphate. I mean that our Islamic community has reached 70%. We need then only 30% and in my opinion, we will reach this within 20-25 years. God willing, we will have our own Islamic state, which everyone will have to swear allegiance to, whether the West likes it or not.
  Mullah Krekor, Muslim preacher, Norway.
   
• My brothers and sisters, we must exploit the so-called democracy and freedom of speech here in the West to reach our goals. Our prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him and the Koran teach us that we must use ever conceivable means and opportunity to defeat the enemies of Allah. Tell the infidels in public; we respect your laws and your constitutions, which we Muslims believe that these are as worthless as the paper they are written on. The only law we must respect and apply is the Sharia.
  Tariq Ramadan, Swiss academic.

SAY NO TO ISLAM

[Churchmouse]

2 hours ago, Yowm said:

Though much of what you say we see is true, I still think the core reason of it is spiritual...

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
(2Co 4:3-4)
 

Why would a group composed mainly of secular political atheists do anything for spiritual reasons. They don't see anything as spiritual. I have talked to a good many of them and they just think we are equal to bone through the nose witch doctors  dancing around and throwing oak leaves to the gods of the Northern Winds.

[Churchmouse]

17 hours ago, Yowm said:

Taken from the link in the OP...

'In December of 2014, a Lake Worth city commission meeting started as they all do. Then things changed, as atheist Preston Smith approached the podium to lead the prayer:

“Our collective atheism — which is to say, loving empathy, scientific evidence, and critical thinking — leads us to believe that we can create a better, more equal community without religious divisions. May we pray together?

Mother Earth, we gather today in your redeeming and glorious presence, to invoke your eternal guidance in the Universe — the original creator of all things.

May the efforts of this council blend the righteousness of Allah with the all-knowing wisdom of Satan. May Zeus, the great God of Justice, grant us our strength tonight."

Now if that isn't a desperate attempt to be 'relevant' by an atheist I don't know what is. It reminds me of some of the kow-towing of the theological liberal leftists.

This guy added all religions together as if they were all equal. This is a person without belief that simple through everything within his knowledge of what people have claimed as god from all over the world. This is not about Satan or Allah or any religion at all. He's saying that if I include every quote/unquote glorified tooth fairy these idiots claim to worship then I can diminish them all into  an irrelevant quagmire of idiocy.  He summed up his allegiance to what he prizes in the hollowing.

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“Our collective atheism — which is to say, loving empathy, scientific evidence, and critical thinking — leads us to believe that we can create a better, more equal community without religious divisions. May we pray together?

There are actual Atheist Churches which I've discussed with my secular leftist friends and they think it's comical. It's a way to stick a finger in the eye of Christianity. If you want to hear this from actual left wing secularists I suggest you go to this web site called secular cafe, which I have been a member for well over 3 years and you will see what I mean.  It's called secular cafe and for a very good reason. Some in there would make the protest groups about Trump look like girl scouts.  I've been trying to calm them down for as long as I've been a member and I've come to the conclusion, it is not possible.

[Churchmouse]

6 hours ago, Yowm said:

You don't think his being deceived is not spiritual?

Secularists are equally spiritually deceived. That's been my point.

We are the only ones who think of the spiritual realm as being occupied by supernatural beings and I think it is a mistake to think that everything on this world is manipulated from that realm. I think that is way beyond our pay grade as far as being human beings and to determine that anything beyond our connection with the Holy Spirit is being controled by anything in the supernatural realm would be to suggest we have explicit knowledge of everything that transpires between that realm and this.

 

The Bible brings up issues that deal with it and we know this is true, but we don't know individual specifics.  There are good people and there are bad people and if the knowledge of who is truly a Christian is hid from us, then what  would make us feel that we knew  who the Devil has touched. Don't you think he would be more crafty than that.

Edited February 1, 2017 by Churchmouse

[Churchmouse]

2 hours ago, Yowm said:

Everything is manipulated from that realm, whether it is satan or God, otherwise God is not in control.

I never said we know the particulars such as who definitely is a Christian and who is not. But to realize that people are influenced either by satan or God is not going beyond Scripture.

 

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Of course God is in control, but you seem to be saying that these people are automatically manipulated by Satan if they don't believe in God and you don't know that for sure.  I don't read 2co:4 as if it is saying that either. i read the scripture before and after and have taken out that it is the Gospel that is hidden, not the idea of God existing.

Some people don't care to believe in anything other than themselves and others have their own god in what they want out of this world. If their peoples choices were automatically restricted by the subterfuge of Satan if they did not choose God, what does that say about the idea of free will. There would be none.

We are talking about people who very well understand that God exists to those who believe in him and simply refuse to believe in anything in the supernatural realm.  Some take a great pride in not believing and thumb their noses at the very idea of the supernatural.

I have talked to many of these liberals and they reject the idea of believing in anything.  These people who fall for all these sexual depravities fall out of the desire to experience what placates their spirit. That is not deception. That's hedonism. they too know about God and simply refuse to believe.

Edited February 2, 2017 by Churchmouse