gdemoss Posted February 8, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,402 Content Per Day: 0.99 Reputation: 2,154 Days Won: 28 Joined: 02/10/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/26/1971 Share Posted February 8, 2017 4 hours ago, ZacharyB said: Please read the OP ... thanks. I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted February 9, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 17 hours ago, Yowm said: The word is to conquer or prevail...g3528. νικάω nikaō; from 3529; to subdue (literally or figuratively): — conquer, overcome, prevail, get the victory. We are more than conquerors through Him. Are you in Him? Or are you doing this in your own strength? Thanks for ignoring Rev 3:21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted February 9, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) 15 hours ago, gdemoss said: ZB: Please read the OP (about know=approve of) ... thanks. I did. What dost thou thinkest of Vine? IMO, he is OSAS ... and shies away from speaking against it in his interpretations of various words, verses, etc. Thus, along with other commentators, his info is tainted by his pre-conceived doctrines. Years ago, I began approaching the NT with an open mind ... no pre-conceived biases. Edited February 9, 2017 by ZacharyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelHorse Posted February 9, 2017 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/09/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 9, 2017 Hi all, These are they type teachings that make for a very confused Christian. In one part of the Bible we're told God knew everyone even before he began the process described in Genesis. We're also told that no one comes to Jesus for their salvation unless God calls them to repent. Then we're told whosoever believes in Jesus, repents, will not perish but have everlasting life. Then we're told God puts those whom he will into Jesus' hands. That none of that occurred without God's grace first and that's why salvation isn't our doing, not even asking Christ into our heart, because it is all God's doing first. And once in Jesus hands no one can take us from there. Then we are told in a teaching like this here that unless we're obedient none of that is true. And that means everything that is of God's doing is undone if we don't follow the rules all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted February 9, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Yowm said: Romans 8:33-39 we are more than overcomers through Jesus who loved us and gave His life for us. Since you refuse to deal with it, I will do so ... but for the benefit of others! In Rev 3:21, Jesus says we must overcome ... as He overcame! So, we must figure out how He overcame! ... Please fill in the blank ____________________________________ _________________________________________________________________________________________________________ P.S. Romans 8 is about those who are being led by the Spirit. Yes, of course, these ones are overcomers! Edited February 9, 2017 by ZacharyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted February 9, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) 52 minutes ago, AngelHorse said: Then we are told in a teaching like this here that unless we're obedient none of that is true. And that means everything that is of God's doing is undone if we don't follow the rules all the time. All I know, Pal, is there are many dire warnings about losing salvation! Time to start figuring things out! ... How do these line-up with OSAS? One place to start is to see who is being written to in each verse. Some are the good olde "faithful" believers! ... Some ain't. The faithful ones are proving their love and appreciation for Jesus and for what He has done! The others are false believers, believing in a false "grace-only" and OSAS doctrine. Meanwhile, final salvation is NOT determined until the end of life ... because ... about 10 NT verses teach that one's faith must endure until the end of his/her life to receive the other kind of life! Edited February 9, 2017 by ZacharyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firestormx Posted February 9, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,113 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 442 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/06/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/17/1975 Share Posted February 9, 2017 1 hour ago, AngelHorse said: Hi all, Then we are told in a teaching like this here that unless we're obedient none of that is true. And that means everything that is of God's doing is undone if we don't follow the rules all the time. We are saved by Grace through faith, Period! We are not saved by works or any of our own effort. Jesus and his sacrifice save us, Faith in Jesus. But if you are saved, you can not and will not live any way you want to. You will not murder or rape or steal or live any lifestyle of sin. You will obey God and his word if you are saved, and saved by Grace through faith in Jesus alone. Think of it like this. We are fruit trees. Jesus is the gardener. God has a garden ( kingdom of God, Salvation ). There is nothing we can do to plant ourselves ( salvation ) in God's garden. The gardener ( Jesus ) must plant us in his Garden ( save us ). Now if we have been planted in God's Garden ( His kingdom, Salvation ), then there is no way we can do anything but produce good fruit ( works, obey ). I hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted February 9, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 9, 2017 2 hours ago, AngelHorse said: Hi all, These are they type teachings that make for a very confused Christian. In one part of the Bible we're told God knew everyone even before he began the process described in Genesis. We're also told that no one comes to Jesus for their salvation unless God calls them to repent. Then we're told whosoever believes in Jesus, repents, will not perish but have everlasting life. Then we're told God puts those whom he will into Jesus' hands. That none of that occurred without God's grace first and that's why salvation isn't our doing, not even asking Christ into our heart, because it is all God's doing first. And once in Jesus hands no one can take us from there. Then we are told in a teaching like this here that unless we're obedient none of that is true. And that means everything that is of God's doing is undone if we don't follow the rules all the time. Each sentence you posted has several SCRIPTURES related to it, practically. All SCRIPTURE is TRUTH. (YHWH'S WORD, BREATHED BY HIM). So, to understand SCRIPTURE , to see how everything is for SALVATION , seems to be the desire here. YHWH grants through Y'SHUA (JESUS) the solution at the appropriate time: " Then opened HE their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures," This is TRUTH , and is the same for all of YHWH'S CHILDREN/ Y'SHUA'S disciples. When HE opens the understanding of SCRIPTURE, all the apparent dilemmas are perfectly resolved, without violating any SCRIPTURE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdemoss Posted February 10, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,402 Content Per Day: 0.99 Reputation: 2,154 Days Won: 28 Joined: 02/10/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/26/1971 Share Posted February 10, 2017 11 hours ago, ZacharyB said: What dost thou thinkest of Vine? IMO, he is OSAS ... and shies away from speaking against it in his interpretations of various words, verses, etc. Thus, along with other commentators, his info is tainted by his pre-conceived doctrines. Years ago, I began approaching the NT with an open mind ... no pre-conceived biases. You haven't answered my question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted February 11, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) On 2/9/2017 at 0:18 PM, Yowm said: ... are you trying to pull this 'overcomer' stuff without the indwelling Spirit? Please just consider Jesus' Rev 3:21 ... "overcome as I overcame", and report back with your ideas about it. Mucho gracioso! Edited February 11, 2017 by ZacharyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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