Muslim Brotherhood Security Breach in Congress

[SavedByGrace1980]

31 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said:

You know, I have never in my lifetime met anyone that did not agree that radical Islam was a threat, that includes the most far left people that I know.

The problem, in my opinion, is that many are not capable of distinguishing  between Islam and radical Islam.  I have been told by people on this very forum that I should not trust a man I have known for 30 plus years because he is a Muslim and might just be biding him time till he slits my throat.  One a person says such a thing, everything that person says about Muslims has to be viewed with the understanding of what their view of Muslims are, it basically becomes very hard to believe a thing they have to say about Muslims after that point. 

This article is a good case in point.  The IT guys that were caught doing what they did are Muslims, but this article never linked them to radical Islam or any such thing, it was just basically implied that since they are Muslims they are bad.   This sort of article will never help the situation, it will just inflame those that already think all Muslims are bad and drive away those who do not. 

8#%T^E!!!

What is up with this software?????

I had a whole one page response typed up for you OOTS and blip - it's gone.

Oh well, I have to leave now.  I'll get back to you later.

Blessings,

-Ed

[Guest shiloh357]

5 minutes ago, Teditis said:

Another issue with radical Islamists, is that the jihad aspect... they are on the rise and have been for some time... with a purpose that

while clear and well-enough articulated, is rarely countered by decent and non-jihadi Islamists. That's the frustrating issue that I have

with the "average American Muslim"... where's the outcry from them against their extremist counter-parts?

 

That can get a Muslim killed.   And it is also worth noting that it has been found, such as in the problem with Muslim "charities"  that the non-extremists may not be terrorists, may never hurt a soul, but they offer moral and financial support to the terrorists because even as non-extremists, they share the same goal, simply not the same method.   Someone has provide the money logistical support so that the terrorists can stay here. 

And they are very good at playing on people's emotions.

[SavedByGrace1980]

45 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said:

You know, I have never in my lifetime met anyone that did not agree that radical Islam was a threat, that includes the most far left people that I know.

The problem, in my opinion, is that many are not capable of distinguishing  between Islam and radical Islam.  I have been told by people on this very forum that I should not trust a man I have known for 30 plus years because he is a Muslim and might just be biding him time till he slits my throat.  One a person says such a thing, everything that person says about Muslims has to be viewed with the understanding of what their view of Muslims are, it basically becomes very hard to believe a thing they have to say about Muslims after that point. 

This article is a good case in point.  The IT guys that were caught doing what they did are Muslims, but this article never linked them to radical Islam or any such thing, it was just basically implied that since they are Muslims they are bad.   This sort of article will never help the situation, it will just inflame those that already think all Muslims are bad and drive away those who do not. 

(let me try this again.  aaaargh!)

You raise a fair point.  Not all Muslims are radical Islamists; but all radical Islamists are Muslims.  How to protect ourselves on the one hand versus not trashing our Constitution on the other.  Not an easy task.

(I'm going to try to condense the thoughts I had earlier when I lost everything due to who knows what)

Liberal (so his civil rights creds cannot be called into question) icon and saint FDR faced a similar problem when the US was attacked at Pearl Harbor and we entered WWII.  His response was to round up US CITIZENS (who happened to have Japanese ancestry) and put them in camps.  As an aside, actor George Takei (Sulu on the original Star Trek) and his family were put in one of those camps.

From what I understand, only about 10 cases of actual espionage were traced to any of those interred - out of thousands.  But FDR did what he felt he had to do in a national emergency.

My point in bringing that up is to try to apply some historical perspective.  In situations like that (and any potential future radical Islamic attacks), we're going to be rife with Monday morning quarterbacks saying 'why didn't the gov't do this' or 'why did the gov't do that.'

The problem with that - if the right choices aren't made, we may not make it to Monday.

Blessings,

-Ed

[MorningGlory]

7 hours ago, Out of the Shadows said:

What would be helpful in persuading people to this view would be actual evidence vice articles filled with accusation and innuendo and little else. 

Just a thought

 

Well if hearing Iran's leaders call for the death of the United States and Israel, ISIS forming a murderous 'Caliphate' to try to take over the world, numerous radical islamic terrorist attacks in Europe and the United States isn't enough evidence then those who can't accept that are either terminally PC or  islamists themselves.  Are you not convinced that islam is the enemy?

[other one]

2 hours ago, Yowm said:

I am not that concerned about what view a Muslim has about Muslims but rather what view he has about the Koran. Is he a strict adherent to it or has little inkling as to what it is about?

and when he finds out what it is really about he/she becomes dangerous.  one doesn't need help and instruction to be radicalized, one simply needs to read the Koran as it was written in chronological order, and read Sharia Law ("Reliance of the Traveller)  and one gets radicalized if one is smart enough to understand and "believe" what it says.

 

In a lot of countries people can't read so they have to be told what it says and they are only told what they need to know at the time.

[MorningGlory]

4 hours ago, Out of the Shadows said:

You know, I have never in my lifetime met anyone that did not agree that radical Islam was a threat, that includes the most far left people that I know.

The problem, in my opinion, is that many are not capable of distinguishing  between Islam and radical Islam.  I have been told by people on this very forum that I should not trust a man I have known for 30 plus years because he is a Muslim and might just be biding him time till he slits my throat.  One a person says such a thing, everything that person says about Muslims has to be viewed with the understanding of what their view of Muslims are, it basically becomes very hard to believe a thing they have to say about Muslims after that point. 

This article is a good case in point.  The IT guys that were caught doing what they did are Muslims, but this article never linked them to radical Islam or any such thing, it was just basically implied that since they are Muslims they are bad.   This sort of article will never help the situation, it will just inflame those that already think all Muslims are bad and drive away those who do not. 

Secular muslims aside, ALL 'good' muslims are evil and dedicated to the destruction of the People of the Book.  Read the Qur'an and you will see, in black and white, what they teach and what they believe.  There is no way to defend true islam.

[other one]

if you want to see how they think, try and get them to start and help get a constitutional amendment to ban sharia law in the USA...    you will find rather quickly that very very few will and they would never make it public if they really did want to see it happen.

[Running Gator]

27 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

Secular muslims aside, ALL 'good' muslims are evil and dedicated to the destruction of the People of the Book.  Read the Qur'an and you will see, in black and white, what they teach and what they believe.  There is no way to defend true islam.

I have been a Christian for many a decade now and during that time I have had countless non-Christians tell me what a "real Christian" or what a "true Christian" would do.  It has always bothered me that they who are on the outside looking in think they can make such claims.    As such I have vowed to never do it to anyone from a different religion, it is just not our place, in my opinion.

So, when my friend of 30 plus years tells me that a Muslim can be a true and real Muslim without wanting to slit my throat or take over the world, I believe him over you who are on the outside looking in. 

[missmuffet]

13 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said:

I have been a Christian for many a decade now and during that time I have had countless non-Christians tell me what a "real Christian" or what a "true Christian" would do.  It has always bothered me that they who are on the outside looking in think they can make such claims.    As such I have vowed to never do it to anyone from a different religion, it is just not our place, in my opinion.

So, when my friend of 30 plus years tells me that a Muslim can be a true and real Muslim without wanting to slit my throat or take over the world, I believe him over you who are on the outside looking in. 

These are the ones who are going to heaven according to the Bible. No way around it.

Question: "What does it mean to be a born again Christian?"

Answer: What does it mean to be a born-again Christian? The classic passage from the Bible that answers this question is John 3:1-21. The Lord Jesus Christ is talking to Nicodemus, a prominent Pharisee and member of the Sanhedrin (the ruling body of the Jews). Nicodemus had come to Jesus at night with some questions.

As Jesus talked with Nicodemus, He said, “‘I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.’ ‘How can a man be born when he is old?’ Nicodemus asked. ‘Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb to be born!’ Jesus answered, ‘I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, “You must be born again”’” (John 3:3-7).

The phrase "born again" literally means "born from above." Nicodemus had a real need. He needed a change of his heart—a spiritual transformation. New birth, being born again, is an act of God whereby eternal life is imparted to the person who believes (2 Corinthians 5:17; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:3; 1 John 2:29; 3:9; 4:7; 5:1-4, 18). John 1:12, 13 indicates that being "born again" also carries the idea of "becoming children of God" through trust in the name of Jesus Christ.

The question logically comes, "Why does a person need to be born again?" The apostle Paul in Ephesians 2:1 says, "And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins" (NKJV). To the Romans he wrote, "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). Sinners are spiritually “dead”; when they receive spiritual life through faith in Christ, the Bible likens it to a rebirth. Only those who are born again have their sins forgiven and have a relationship with God.

How does that come to be? Ephesians 2:8-9 states, "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast." When one is saved, he/she has been born again, spiritually renewed, and is now a child of God by right of new birth. Trusting in Jesus Christ, the One who paid the penalty of sin when He died on the cross, is the means to be "born again." "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation: the old has gone, the new has come!" (2 Corinthians 5:17).

If you have never trusted in the Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior, will you consider the prompting of the Holy Spirit as He speaks to your heart? You need to be born again. Will you pray the prayer of repentance and become a new creation in Christ today? "Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God" (John 1:12-13).

https://www.gotquestions.org/born-again.html

[Guest shiloh357]

19 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said:

I have been a Christian for many a decade now and during that time I have had countless non-Christians tell me what a "real Christian" or what a "true Christian" would do.  It has always bothered me that they who are on the outside looking in think they can make such claims.    As such I have vowed to never do it to anyone from a different religion, it is just not our place, in my opinion.

So, when my friend of 30 plus years tells me that a Muslim can be a true and real Muslim without wanting to slit my throat or take over the world, I believe him over you who are on the outside looking in. 

The standard bearer for Islam is Mohammed.   He is the founder of the religion.   So it follows that the "good Muslims"  will be adhere the closest to Mohammed.    Mohammed was a psychopath, a murderer, thief and a pedophile.  It was under Mohammed that many nonMuslims were beheaded or other murdered if they refused to convert.   That is historical Islam.   That is what the religion has always been.

See, we go off what Islam purports to be, not what nominal Muslims claim it is.   Being a good Muslim doesn't equate with being a good person.  It equates with being like the founder of Mohammed.  And ISIS most resembles Mohammed.  They are the truest form of Islam on earth.  And when the chips are down the "peaceful" Muslims will join ISIS to save their own skin.  That is how it has worked out over the middle east.   When the non radicals were faced with death or conversion to ISIS' brand, they chose conversion.