Muslim Brotherhood Security Breach in Congress

[Guest shiloh357]

19 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

 

Unfortunately, we cannot ban people from running for office on the basis of religion.  Sometimes the Constitution protects the wrong people but, if they could be banned, then Christians and Jews could be as well.

No, because at its heart, Islam is a government with it's own jursiprudence.   Islam doesn't separate religion and state.  Islam is both a religious ideology and a government.   And the last thing we need are Muslims making law in our country.   Islam isn't like Christianity, Judaism or Buddhism.  It is altogether different and exceptional and exceptions need to be made to keep practitioners of Sharia law from making law in the US.

[MorningGlory]

37 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

No, because at its heart, Islam is a government with it's own jursiprudence.   Islam doesn't separate religion and state.  Islam is both a religious ideology and a government.   And the last thing we need are Muslims making law in our country.   Islam isn't like Christianity, Judaism or Buddhism.  It is altogether different and exceptional and exceptions need to be made to keep practitioners of Sharia law from making law in the US.

I agree but the only way a person can be banned from running for office is by being a convicted felon or a foreign national.  There may be more but I can't think of them.   We would have to change laws to affect such a thing.  Maybe making Shar'ia law illegal in the U.S. would be a good start.

[Ezra]

1 hour ago, MorningGlory said:

Unfortunately, we cannot ban people from running for office on the basis of religion. 

Well since a Muslim cannot honestly support the Constitution, are you simply going to let him lie about it and then undermine it?  His religion is his ideology, and his only loyalty is to Islam. This is being proved over and over again, and Barack Obama is a good example of one who trashed the Constitution for this reason.

[Guest shiloh357]

27 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

I agree but the only way a person can be banned from running for office is by being a convicted felon or a foreign national.  There may be more but I can't think of them.   We would have to change laws to affect such a thing.  Maybe making Shar'ia law illegal in the U.S. would be a good start.

Yes, it it needs to be made illegal.  Here is an example of  why Sharia needs to be made illegal:

http://heatst.com/culture-wars/georgetown-islamic-studies-professor-slavery-ok-so-is-non-consensual-sex/

[MorningGlory]

38 minutes ago, Ezra said:

Well since a Muslim cannot honestly support the Constitution, are you simply going to let him lie about it and then undermine it?  His religion is his ideology, and his only loyalty is to Islam. This is being proved over and over again, and Barack Obama is a good example of one who trashed the Constitution for this reason.

Am I?  No, I wouldn't allow muslims to hold office anywhere in the U.S.  But I pointed out what the law says and the only way to stop them is by changing laws.

[MorningGlory]

5 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

Yes, it it needs to be made illegal.  Here is an example of  why Sharia needs to be made illegal:

http://heatst.com/culture-wars/georgetown-islamic-studies-professor-slavery-ok-so-is-non-consensual-sex/

Yes, I know.  Women are still auctioned off in some islamic countries.

[OneLight]

The sooner Shar'ia law is rejected by law, the better.

[SavedByGrace1980]

5 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

We need to purge Islam out of our government.  Muslims should not be allowed to run for office, even if they are citizens.  It is just too dangerous of an ideology.  Muslims have no place in our government on any level, period.

How would that be done; or what would that look like since - under the US Constitution and according to law - Islam is a religion?  In the extremely unlikely event a law were to be passed saying 'Muslims cannot hold office or have positions where they handle national security issues', you know it would be challenged.  And the challenge would succeed.

One other thing - if somehow a law such as this were passed AND it passed Constitutional muster, Islam would be driven underground.  Its practitioners would be even more apt to become violent (in my opinion)

Understand - on the merits, I actually agree with you.  I agree that Islam (along with its component Sharia law) presents a national security threat.  That - in and of itself is not a politically correct view.  I'll go even further - if a candidate who is Muslim were running for national office - that reason alone would suffice for me to cast my vote against him or her.

You cannot get any more 'politically incorrect' than that.

The unfortunate thing here (for our POV) is Islam meets the legal definition of a religion So the question still stands:  How does one - under the US Constitution - ban a religion?

Blessings,

-Ed

[OneLight]

A paradox, it is, since the religious side and the governmental side are intertwined within the very book they live by.  I am not sure this can be done either, which is why I think the best route to take is create a law that forbids Shari'a Law to be used for anything in this country.  IF anyone wishes to live under those rules, they need to move to the countries where it is the law of the land.

[Guest shiloh357]

16 minutes ago, SavedByGrace1981 said:

How would that be done; or what would that look like since - under the US Constitution and according to law - Islam is a religion?

Under the Constitution, so to speak,  Islam is a government, with its own laws and jurisprudence.   It is a foreign government on our soil.  It may also serve as a religious ideology, but at its heart it is a government.  It does not recognize any separation of religion and state and stands in opposition to our Constitution, and our way of life.   So we need to rewrite the law to recognize Islam  as a government.

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One other thing - if somehow a law such as this were passed AND it passed Constitutional muster, Islam would be driven underground.  Its practitioners would be even more apt to become violent (in my opinion)

And then they get permanently deported.

 

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The unfortunate thing here (for our POV) is Islam meets the legal definition of a religion So the question still stands:  How does one - under the US Constitution - ban a religion?

Ban it on the grounds that it is foreign government and we cannot have a foreign government operatives in our government.