Is Maryology Idolatry?

[TheMatrixHasU71]

22 hours ago, BobRyan said:

But the Bible never calls her the "mother of God" - because in fact God is from eternity past - is eternal , has no mother, and this is NOT a case of procreation which has a mother but rather "incarnation" of an already EXISTING person

Amen. Mary was the mother of the flesh alone. The eternal God cannot have a created being for a mother. That is an oxymoron. Catholics will often being up Elizabeth saying Mother of my Lord as proof of their belief in Theotokos but note Elizabeth was very careful to say Lord not God.

YES Jesus is God I am not contradicting myself here but Mary cannot possibly be mother of His eternal soul. The flesh only.

[TheMatrixHasU71]

On 5/6/2017 at 5:15 AM, inchrist said:

Who is Mary's mother? Your answer is going to be "we dont know". So you cant claim something is false, when you dont have evidence for either?

 

The subject of Marys parents, is an archeological or Historical matter, which is not the focus of our discussion.

 

You further now accusing based on the false assumption that Mary and any saint can redeem us of sins by by-passing Christ....

 

The Vatican clarifies these false accusations made by prejudice opponents of the following statements

 

The false charges

 

1) That Mary and saints are mediators between God and man

 

2) That Catholics consult with the dead and for the dead to redeem sins by passing Christ

 

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ON THE ACCOUNT OF THE FALSE CHARGE NO 1 

 

Christ, the one Mediator, established and continually sustains

 

http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html

 

The Vatican is unmistakably clear that CHRIST is the ONE Meditor.

 

ON THE ACCOUNT OF THE FALSE CHARGE NO 2

 

For no creature could ever be counted as equal with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer

 

The deliberate attempt at misleading of the following statement : Asking in this prayer for Ann to "SECURE  FOR US FORGIVENESS OF OUR PAST SINS" 

 

Ignores the word SECURE , and the Catholic understanding that the word SECURE is here seen as intercede.

 

To intercede to Christ on the prayers behalf for forgiveness of Sin.

 

As Christ is the ONLY Redeemer

 

http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html

 

This is confirmed in the prayer itself

 

 kindly obtain for us the grace and the favor we now seek.

 

No where is the prayer asking for forgivenss of sins directly from the saint to give.

 

No where is the prayer consulting with the dead on matters of secrets or to gain information but inviting the dead saint to pray on their behalf.

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Based on Scripture in truthful judgement

1 Cor 6:2 Or do you not know that the Lord's people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?

I find the charges made by Davida to be incompetent, deliberately misleading and bearing false witness.

We must settle and defend matters on truthfulness which must be outweighed against any prejudices.

 

 

And yet the Catholic church calls Mary Co Redemptrix and Mediatrix. Twisting words.  

As for that last line....

No where is the prayer consulting with the dead on matters of secrets or to gain information but inviting the dead saint to pray on their behalf

Semantics. You cannot speak to the dead for ANY and EVERY reason. NO EXCEPTIONS. There is absolutely no exception in the bible that allows for prayers to the dead. NOT ONE. Not even the dead in Christ. 

 

Edited May 8, 2017 by TheMatrixHasU71

[TheMatrixHasU71]

2 minutes ago, inchrist said:

Between son and man not between father and man.....

How many times do I have to correct you guys on this?

And how many times do we have to tell YOU something I just said a few minutes ago; there is NO mediator between Son and man. NONE. 

[TheMatrixHasU71]

2 minutes ago, inchrist said:

Again let me remind you, you failjng to provide evidence to back-up your charges......sorry but hearsay is not evidenc

It is not hearay to correct yuo of something that cannot even remotely be found in the bible. THAT is all the evidence you need. Stop listening to the lies of the Pope aned start reading the bible alone. 

[TheMatrixHasU71]

2 minutes ago, inchrist said:

Back up your charges.....dont get personal with me

You still refuse to listen.I just did back up my charges when I told you that anything that RCs believe about Mary cannot even be remotely found in the bible. The bible is the ruler, the plumbline, against which all other teaching must be measured. We are called to follow the bible alone, not ever man's unscriptural tradition. 

I say this for your own good because you are in serious eternal danger. Repent and leave the RCC or you will perish. 

[TheMatrixHasU71]

On 5/6/2017 at 11:24 AM, inchrist said:

Yes it is Israel also, infact its a fusion of Mary, Eve, the Church and Israel

No, Mary and Eve are not involved in this. It is the church and Israel

[TheMatrixHasU71]

On 5/6/2017 at 0:28 PM, wingnut- said:

So why not argue the JW position as a JW rather than attach it to catholocism?  Are you unaware that catholics believe Jesus is God?  This important detail renders your argument obsolete from a catholic position.

Hey wingnut! That your dog? Love the big smile on him 

[TheMatrixHasU71]

11 minutes ago, inchrist said:

Again this depends how you view mary's role, isnt it......

I have said it already. Mary HAS no role. Only Father, son and Holy Ghost.

[TheMatrixHasU71]

9 minutes ago, inchrist said:

Start at genesis please

No mention of Mary there. Father, Son, Holy Ghost. No other.

InChrist I love you but if you continue to robotically spout the paganism of the RCC then I must brush the dust off my feet against you. 

you keep asking us to back ourselves up. We ARE by relying in the bible alone and no other. When we say that Mary/Theotokos/Co-Redeemer/Co-Mediator/Queen of Grace/Mother of Mercy and all that nonsense is nowhere to be found in the bible, WHAT MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED????

If you continue to put man's teaching alongside the bible instead of doing the right thing, completely trashing anything that cannot be found in the bible either directly or indirectly, you have willingly placed yourself in spiritual danger. Not trying to be nasty here its just the truth. 

And about the wedding at Cana, she was still LIVING. That doesnt count. And Jesus rebuked her for getting him involved in something to trivial. Mary is DEAD and cannot hear us. 

 

Edited May 8, 2017 by TheMatrixHasU71

[wingnut-]

23 minutes ago, TheMatrixHasU71 said:

Hey wingnut! That your dog? Love the big smile on him 

 

Hey matrix, 

Yes that was my dog, he passed away several years ago now, great friend.