Mystery Babylon status rev.17

[Revelation Man]

15 hours ago, iamlamad said:

How can one see "see the smoke of her burning" when it is false religion?

How can one stand far off to watch a  false religion burn? How can one burn a theory?

How can "merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots" - which are physical things that must occupy physical space relate to theories and beliefs?

They can certainly relate to physical space and time, and they can certainly burn and their riches be lost.

Readers, does this make sense? Is this really the intent of the Author? (I replaces "great city" or "city" with "false religion.")

" alas that great [false religion] that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!  For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What [false religion] is like unto this [false religion]!

 

Do you ever read anything anyone says or do you just start posting? You stated there was no use answering the simple questions I asked since we disagreed on everything, yet you replied here and asked me questions again. 

I have only been writing in every post for over a year that the Harlot of Revelation 17 is a DIFFERENT ENTITY than Babylon of Revelation 18, so all of your questions become moot don't they? But you probably wont read this far. 

Babylon is WORLD GOVERNANCE !!!!! Catch that? So its all the Cites/Nations that come against God and Israel (Rev. 16:19)  Nations and cities BURN when hit by the Plagues of God, go read some of the Trumpet and Vial Judgments, LET ME PROVIDE THEM..

Rev. 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and FIRE mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. 8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with FIRE was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the SHIPS were DESTROYED. 10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. 12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

 

The First Woe (Part of it)

9 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.  { Their King was Apollyon, he hurt mankind fir 5 Months }

The Second Woe (In Part)

Rev. 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, 14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them. 17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone. 18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

Third Woe = Seven Vials 

Revelation 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. 2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea. 4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.  5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.

6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy. 7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments. 8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. 9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, 11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. 13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. 18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: (BABYLON) and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. 20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. 21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great. { Lets see if these PLAGUES are what's hitting BABYLON in Revelation 18. }

Revelation 18, Babylon is Judged

Revelation 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, (Rev. 14 is the SAME EVENT) and is become the habitation of devils,( Stan cast out of Heaven Rev. 9:1, Apollyon LOOSED) and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. 4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. 6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.  

{ False Governance is now being Judged, like the Harlot, these Governments have fornicated against God and thus will receive Judgment just like Babylon did in Daniel 5. Mene, Mene, Tekel. }

7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. 8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day (SHORT TIME), death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: ( Does this sound like the Seal/Trumpet/Vial Judgments? ) for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. 9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, {{{ The Kings in Rev. 17:16 HATED THE HARLOT.......This is not the Harlot !!!! This is Babylon or WORLD GOVERNANCE being Destroyed, by fire, brimstone, plagues, poisoned waters, Meteorites, Earthquakes, Demon hordes, The Sun Scorching men, Ships destroyed at Sea, etc. etc. }}}

10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come (The Babylon Confederation will be Destroyed at Armageddon). 11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

{{ This is only a Vision, the Angel is showing how mankind is trying their best to HIDE THEIR FACES from the Wrath of God, OF COURSE, as it says when the 6th Seal is broken, men are standing afar off, trying to hide, and of course they are watching the Plagues of God reign down on the Earth/Babylon/the Anti-Christs Kingdoms. Jesus finally destroys Babylon/Nations that gather against him at Armageddon (Rev. 16:19), the Kings lament the World Governance being uprooted by Jesus/God/Plagues. The shipping lanes and ships are destroyed which represents COMMERCE being Destroyed !!  The Kings Cry and Lament. SEE BELOW }}

12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. 14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all. {SEE ABOVE}

15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing, 16 And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls! 17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, { World Governance as they knew it is OVER !! Jesus Reigns !! }

18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

 { We can see why she (BABYLON) is SMOKING and BURNING if we just look at the facts. The Plagues of God caused this to come to pass. This is the Wrath of God reigning down on Man-kind, and the Governments of the World, OF COURSE WE SEE BABYLON BURNING !! Why do you think there is so much Smoke that it blocks out the Sun, Moon and Stars light? Babylon is also Destroyed by Jesus at Armageddon, via the Holy Spirit. Babylon represents World Governance of MEN }

 

19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate. 20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her. 21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. 22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; 23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. 24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

{{{ The Reign of Man-kind is OVER !! Babylon has Fallen has Fallen, Revelation 14, 16 and 18 are the EXACT SAME STORY minus different talking points. (Differences Listed Below) God has just given the Saints and Prophets their revenge against Evil Man-kind and its evil governance. Babylon is no more. }}}

ALL THREE ARE SAME EVENT BELOW

1. Revelation 14 = The Harvest, evil mankind is Harvested into the Grave to be Judged in 1000 years.

2. Revelation 16 = God Defeat of Babylon and Mankind after Jesus lands on the Mt of Olives and destroys Babylon/Statue.

3. Revelation 18 = The Plagues raining down on Babylon for 3 1/2 years or GODS WRATH of the Seals, Trumpet and Vial Judgments.

[warrior12]

17 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Do you ever read anything anyone says or do you just start posting? You stated there was no use answering the simple questions I asked since we disagreed on everything, yet you replied here and asked me questions again. 

Revelation Man.  If you are going to be teaching, especially on a topic of this nature,  then you have to be very patient.   If you are getting frustrated,  then is better you don't reply or reply with a humble statement or ignore completely.  Getting callous and calling out is not getting anybody anywhere.  You have your ideas pat down and it is for us to try to understand your points of view and we may not all be at a mature level as you or studied as you are, plus it involves spiritual things which can be very difficult to come to terms with.  Hope you don't see this post as a rebuke, but a peacemaker attempt to show brotherly conversation.  thanks.  

Great though, that you have replied to Iamlamad in length and with details.

Edited June 5, 2017 by warrior12

[Revelation Man]

7 hours ago, warrior12 said:

Revelation Man.  If you are going to be teaching, especially on a topic of this nature,  then you have to be very patient.   If you are getting frustrated,  then is better you don't reply or reply with a humble statement or ignore completely.  Getting callous and calling out is not getting anybody anywhere.  You have your ideas pat down and it is for us to try to understand your points of view and we may not all be at a mature level as you or studied as you are, plus it involves spiritual things which can be very difficult to come to terms with.  Hope you don't see this post as a rebuke, but a peacemaker attempt to show brotherly conversation.  thanks.  

Great though, that you have replied to Iamlamad in length and with details.

I am not frustrated, I don't think he ever reads the posts but still replies......I have been saying that Babylon and the Harlot are two different entities for going on 1 1/2 years. If I am not going to read a post in full, I am not going to reply. I understand to well that Satan comes after us in various ways. I don't sweat it, after a while if I sense people are a certain way I will avoid them altogether. 

Edited June 5, 2017 by Revelation Man

[Sister]

1 hour ago, warrior12 said:

It is always good to hear your voice Sister.   Oh, yes, a good soaking is what i will have to take.   But a quick thought, maybe your reference is to 10 kings formed in the Middle East that will hate the whore, who you are going to describe later on.  This is just taking a quick bite at it here. 

Thank you.  It's hard for me to concentrate atm, my internet keeps dropping out.  

No, the 10 kings are not formed in the Middle East.  The 10 kings are the Kings of the North (Europe area).  How do I know this?  because Daniel mentions a prophecy which is now history for us.

 Daniel 11:6   And in the end of years they shall join themselves together; for the king's daughter of the south shall come to the king of the north to make an agreement: but she shall not retain the power of the arm; neither shall he stand, nor his arm: but she shall be given up, and they that brought her, and he that begat her, and he that strengthened her in these times.

KINGS DAUGHTER OF THE SOUTH = CLEOPATRA  (EGYPT)

KING OF THE NORTH = WAS ROME BACK THEN (CAESAR)

We are looking at Europe area.  North is Europe today.  Rome back then is gone, but today, it's a modern type of Roman empire.  A conglomeration of European nations with all their armies and allies.  The system is Greek.  The body is a leopard.

KING OF THE NORTH TODAY - IS EUROPE AREA.

The Middle East would be the King of the South, and Kings of the East,...  Islamic nations, the Mede's and Persians.  Today they are Iran, Iraq and all their Islamic brothers.

The 10 kings, of the North, are the ones who will strip the whore naked and eat her flesh.  They will burn her with fire (war).  This just simply means that they will destroy her system and replace it with their own.  The laws we have today will be gone.  The new laws to come, will take away more of our rights and freedoms.  This new system will be an unfair system.  It will be a law of obey or die, a dictatorship.  At current, we can go to court and plead our innocence, we can accuse, punish and defend with a judge and jury.  That will all be gone.  So, for the 10 kings to bring on their new system, they will use war to do it, and will cause those wars so they can come in with a solution and issue a NEW WORLD ORDER. 

BURN HER WITH FIRE = WAR

So the 10 kings hate the whore, because she's the one who supplies the world with whatever they desire.  They want her gone because they want all the wealth and power for themselves.  The whore feeds all the nations, not just the USA.  All have drunk from her cup.  When the 10 kings destroy her, they are destroying her system, which is the MOTHER of HARLOTS, THE MOTHER of BABYLON.

But her children remain in Babylon which is this world run by Satan.   God is going to use the Mede's to finish off Babylon's children who voted and accepted this dictator and his new system.  Not because the Mede's are good, but because they have revenge in their hearts and are cruel.  They will hate the King of the North for all their wicked works and schemes.  They will somehow hate the new system and realise that they have been used and cast aside..  They will stand up for real at the end of the False Prophet's 3 1/2 year reign because he will be conquering their lands also.  It's evil against evil.

 So all you see happening now, the wars and the terrorist attacks is a smokescreen to instill fear into us and prepare us for war so those changes can be made.

The whore is not a nation, and Babylon is not a nation.  Babylon is Satan's kingdom, this world, where his children dwell under lies and darkness, and the Whore is just metaphoric for Satan's bait. The whore is the lure enticing everyone to go after worldly things, and not the things of God, so once he's caught all the fish in his net, then he can carry on with his plan to destroy all.

I hope this makes sense.

 

 

 

[warrior12]

26 minutes ago, Sister said:

Thank you.  It's hard for me to concentrate atm, my internet keeps dropping out.  

No, the 10 kings are not formed in the Middle East.  The 10 kings are the Kings of the North (Europe area).  How do I know this?  because Daniel mentions a prophecy which is now history for us.

 Daniel 11:6   And in the end of years they shall join themselves together; for the king's daughter of the south shall come to the king of the north to make an agreement: but she shall not retain the power of the arm; neither shall he stand, nor his arm: but she shall be given up, and they that brought her, and he that begat her, and he that strengthened her in these times.

KINGS DAUGHTER OF THE SOUTH = CLEOPATRA  (EGYPT)

KING OF THE NORTH = WAS ROME BACK THEN (CAESAR)

We are looking at Europe area.  North is Europe today.  Rome back then is gone, but today, it's a modern type of Roman empire.  A conglomeration of European nations with all their armies and allies.  The system is Greek.  The body is a leopard.

KING OF THE NORTH TODAY - IS EUROPE AREA.

The Middle East would be the King of the South, and Kings of the East,...  Islamic nations, the Mede's and Persians.  Today they are Iran, Iraq and all their Islamic brothers.

The 10 kings, of the North, are the ones who will strip the whore naked and eat her flesh.  They will burn her with fire (war).  This just simply means that they will destroy her system and replace it with their own.  The laws we have today will be gone.  The new laws to come, will take away more of our rights and freedoms.  This new system will be an unfair system.  It will be a law of obey or die, a dictatorship.  At current, we can go to court and plead our innocence, we can accuse, punish and defend with a judge and jury.  That will all be gone.  So, for the 10 kings to bring on their new system, they will use war to do it, and will cause those wars so they can come in with a solution and issue a NEW WORLD ORDER. 

BURN HER WITH FIRE = WAR

So the 10 kings hate the whore, because she's the one who supplies the world with whatever they desire.  They want her gone because they want all the wealth and power for themselves.  The whore feeds all the nations, not just the USA.  All have drunk from her cup.  When the 10 kings destroy her, they are destroying her system, which is the MOTHER of HARLOTS, THE MOTHER of BABYLON.

But her children remain in Babylon which is this world run by Satan.   God is going to use the Mede's to finish off Babylon's children who voted and accepted this dictator and his new system.  Not because the Mede's are good, but because they have revenge in their hearts and are cruel.  They will hate the King of the North for all their wicked works and schemes.  They will somehow hate the new system and realise that they have been used and cast aside..  They will stand up for real at the end of the False Prophet's 3 1/2 year reign because he will be conquering their lands also.  It's evil against evil.

 So all you see happening now, the wars and the terrorist attacks is a smokescreen to instill fear into us and prepare us for war so those changes can be made.

The whore is not a nation, and Babylon is not a nation.  Babylon is Satan's kingdom, this world, where his children dwell under lies and darkness, and the Whore is just metaphoric for Satan's bait. The whore is the lure enticing everyone to go after worldly things, and not the things of God, so once he's caught all the fish in his net, then he can carry on with his plan to destroy all.

I hope this makes sense.

 

 

 

The top historical part, i don't know too much about.   The latter half i can definitely agree with, especially the last two sentences.  A better picture is being gathered in my mind now.  Like i mentioned before, when i said the harlot is a spiritual entity, is not that who satan is really and can manifest the workings of the products such as sorcery, witchcraft, spiritual fornication and the myriads of his diabolical schemes that he has and disperses and which also materialized down to the physical world as the banking systems ect.  The key words here that intrigued me was "the whore is just a metaphoric for satan's bait".    Well i guess there are many more comments and would wait for others to comment on yours or outline their own.  The reason i mentioned USA is she so matches the description of rev 18 as no other nation has her status, but as i said, i don't know.

A question though, so who is going to be destroyed and burned, the entire world system of trade, commerce destroyed ??.  Is it then satan final demise and the description of Babylon not being inhabited again meaning satan is not going to be around again, no evil ect.  Good stuff.

 

[iamlamad]

7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Do you ever read anything anyone says or do you just start posting? You stated there was no use answering the simple questions I asked since we disagreed on everything, yet you replied here and asked me questions again. 

I have only been writing in every post for over a year that the Harlot of Revelation 17 is a DIFFERENT ENTITY than Babylon of Revelation 18, so all of your questions become moot don't they? But you probably wont read this far. 

Babylon is WORLD GOVERNANCE !!!!! Catch that? So its all the Cites/Nations that come against God and Israel (Rev. 16:19)  Nations and cities BURN when hit by the Plagues of God, go read some of the Trumpet and Vial Judgments, LET ME PROVIDE THEM..

Rev. 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and FIRE mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. 8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with FIRE was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the SHIPS were DESTROYED. 10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. 12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

 

The First Woe (Part of it)

9 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.  { Their King was Apollyon, he hurt mankind fir 5 Months }

The Second Woe (In Part)

Rev. 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, 14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them. 17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone. 18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

Third Woe = Seven Vials 

Revelation 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. 2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea. 4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.  5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.

6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy. 7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments. 8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. 9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, 11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. 13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. 18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: (BABYLON) and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. 20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. 21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great. { Lets see if these PLAGUES are what's hitting BABYLON in Revelation 18. }

Revelation 18, Babylon is Judged

Revelation 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, (Rev. 14 is the SAME EVENT) and is become the habitation of devils,( Stan cast out of Heaven Rev. 9:1, Apollyon LOOSED) and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. 4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. 6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.  

{ False Governance is now being Judged, like the Harlot, these Governments have fornicated against God and thus will receive Judgment just like Babylon did in Daniel 5. Mene, Mene, Tekel. }

7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. 8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day (SHORT TIME), death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: ( Does this sound like the Seal/Trumpet/Vial Judgments? ) for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. 9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, {{{ The Kings in Rev. 17:16 HATED THE HARLOT.......This is not the Harlot !!!! This is Babylon or WORLD GOVERNANCE being Destroyed, by fire, brimstone, plagues, poisoned waters, Meteorites, Earthquakes, Demon hordes, The Sun Scorching men, Ships destroyed at Sea, etc. etc. }}}

10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come (The Babylon Confederation will be Destroyed at Armageddon). 11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

{{ This is only a Vision, the Angel is showing how mankind is trying their best to HIDE THEIR FACES from the Wrath of God, OF COURSE, as it says when the 6th Seal is broken, men are standing afar off, trying to hide, and of course they are watching the Plagues of God reign down on the Earth/Babylon/the Anti-Christs Kingdoms. Jesus finally destroys Babylon/Nations that gather against him at Armageddon (Rev. 16:19), the Kings lament the World Governance being uprooted by Jesus/God/Plagues. The shipping lanes and ships are destroyed which represents COMMERCE being Destroyed !!  The Kings Cry and Lament. SEE BELOW }}

12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. 14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all. {SEE ABOVE}

15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing, 16 And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls! 17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, { World Governance as they knew it is OVER !! Jesus Reigns !! }

18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

 { We can see why she (BABYLON) is SMOKING and BURNING if we just look at the facts. The Plagues of God caused this to come to pass. This is the Wrath of God reigning down on Man-kind, and the Governments of the World, OF COURSE WE SEE BABYLON BURNING !! Why do you think there is so much Smoke that it blocks out the Sun, Moon and Stars light? Babylon is also Destroyed by Jesus at Armageddon, via the Holy Spirit. Babylon represents World Governance of MEN }

 

19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate. 20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her. 21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. 22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; 23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. 24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

{{{ The Reign of Man-kind is OVER !! Babylon has Fallen has Fallen, Revelation 14, 16 and 18 are the EXACT SAME STORY minus different talking points. (Differences Listed Below) God has just given the Saints and Prophets their revenge against Evil Man-kind and its evil governance. Babylon is no more. }}}

ALL THREE ARE SAME EVENT BELOW

1. Revelation 14 = The Harvest, evil mankind is Harvested into the Grave to be Judged in 1000 years.

2. Revelation 16 = God Defeat of Babylon and Mankind after Jesus lands on the Mt of Olives and destroys Babylon/Statue.

3. Revelation 18 = The Plagues raining down on Babylon for 3 1/2 years or GODS WRATH of the Seals, Trumpet and Vial Judgments.

You are right: I was not consistant and did not follow what I said. But when I read what you wrote, I was inspired again to refute what you wrote! I know it is still useless to answer: your mind is made up with stuff I don't believe fits scripture.

Get this straight once and for all: the WOMAN is "babylon" and "Babylon" is the woman. She, babylon, is destroyed in Rev. 18. Sorry you cannot understand this, but YOU CANNOT BURN a theory or a religion or a world "GOVERNANCE!" You can burn a city.

Remember the THEME:  " I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: "

"I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns."

So is the woman the whore or is the beast the whore? The woman is the whore and the whore is the woman seen on the Beast.

And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

It is then the WOMAN that is the whore. NOT the Beast. And she is exercising some kind of control over the Beast.

⁵ And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

Whose forehead? The woman or the Beast? Of course the WOMAN's forehead. So the WOMAN is the Whore, and is the Mother of harlots, and is BABYLON. So Babylon is in reference to the WHORE and the whore is in reference to Babylon. But there is a mystery in why she is titled "Babylon." (By the way, John did not put in the comma.)

Next John wrote:  " I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: "

So it is the WOMAN or the WHORE that is behind (controling) the martyrs, not the Beast.  I agree with you in this tiny point: the WOMAN or Mystery Babylon Is NOT the Beast, but she exercises POWER over the Beast.

Every city in the world, no, not even most cities in the world - no, not even a few cities in the word will exercise power over this Beast. It will only be JERUSALEM.  Why? Because THE ANTICHRIST BEAST man of sin will reside in Jerusalem. So you go ahead and write for another year - and you will still be mistaken on this.

Next, The events of Revelation 18 come AFTER the 70th week has finished. The armies of the world descend on Israel and they get to the siege of Jerusalem before  Jesus returns to earth. They set Jerusalem on fire. But then He comes and His foot touches down and a great valley is created where some who are still IN the city will escape. 

There is no scripture anywhere that shows Jesus putting out the fire. So the city burns. (Again, you cannot burn a theory or a belief or a world governance).

So you "have only been writing in every post for over a year" things that are just not scriptural. But don't mind me: continue on!

I could go on, but what's the use? Your theories are miles off from any commentator I have ever read. I wonder if you ever read them?

I will admit that there is destruction upon the earth during the trumpets and vials. But the city of Jerusalem is still a city (though much is destroyed in earthquakes) at the time Jesus returns. But she is BURNING when He returns.

By the way, when the locusts of the 5th trumpet sting all those not sealed, Jerusalem still stands. When 1/3 of the world population is killed at the 6th trumpet, Jerusalem still stands, but with less population, probably. When God pours out the first vial, Jerusalem will still be standing, but the people in it will have great sores. When the second vial is poured out and the sea turns to blood, Jerusalem will still be standing.  When the third vial is poured out, Jerusalem will still be there, only the people will be thirsty. When the 4th vial is poured out, Jerusalem (and the other cites of the world) will still be standing, but the people will be very hot.  You get the point?

But when the 7th vial comes with the terrible earthquake, a tenth of Jerusalem will fall, and Jerusalem will be divided into three sections.  The cities of the world will also fall. The 70th week has finished but Jesus has not show up. But the evil spirits have been sent and the armies of the world will come to wipe Israel off the map. They will be attacking Jerusalem when He comes.

John ends chapter 18 with " for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived."  (there is one last sentence after this)

"All nations" are deceived by the Beast and False prophet that will be residing in JERUSALEM.  Did you notice that Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles for 42 months, yet, that 42 months will end very close to the 7th vial. Yet, Jesus will not return for perhaps another month. Why is the city not then trampled for 43 months?

It is my opinion that the Beast and False prophet, AND their armies - will leave Jerusalem at the 7th vial or just before, to lead the armies that will come and attack. They know Jerusalem will be destroyed. They know Jesus will descend to Jerusalem.

I am still wasting my time, but perhaps some readers will read and understand.

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[iamlamad]

6 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

I am not frustrated, I don't think he ever reads the posts but still replies......I have been saying that Babylon and the Harlot are two different entities for going on 1 1/2 years. If I am not going to read a post in full, I am not going to reply. I understand to well that Satan comes after us in various ways. I don't sweat it, after a while if I sense people are a certain way I will avoid the altogether. 

I have been saying that you have been wrong for 1 1/2 years. By the way, I do read the posts. But for the most part, I just cannot believe yours. Your theories do not agree with the way I read scripture.

[iamlamad]

6 hours ago, Sister said:

Thank you.  It's hard for me to concentrate atm, my internet keeps dropping out.  

No, the 10 kings are not formed in the Middle East.  The 10 kings are the Kings of the North (Europe area).  How do I know this?  because Daniel mentions a prophecy which is now history for us.

 Daniel 11:6   And in the end of years they shall join themselves together; for the king's daughter of the south shall come to the king of the north to make an agreement: but she shall not retain the power of the arm; neither shall he stand, nor his arm: but she shall be given up, and they that brought her, and he that begat her, and he that strengthened her in these times.

KINGS DAUGHTER OF THE SOUTH = CLEOPATRA  (EGYPT)

KING OF THE NORTH = WAS ROME BACK THEN (CAESAR)

We are looking at Europe area.  North is Europe today.  Rome back then is gone, but today, it's a modern type of Roman empire.  A conglomeration of European nations with all their armies and allies.  The system is Greek.  The body is a leopard.

KING OF THE NORTH TODAY - IS EUROPE AREA.

The Middle East would be the King of the South, and Kings of the East,...  Islamic nations, the Mede's and Persians.  Today they are Iran, Iraq and all their Islamic brothers.

The 10 kings, of the North, are the ones who will strip the whore naked and eat her flesh.  They will burn her with fire (war).  This just simply means that they will destroy her system and replace it with their own.  The laws we have today will be gone.  The new laws to come, will take away more of our rights and freedoms.  This new system will be an unfair system.  It will be a law of obey or die, a dictatorship.  At current, we can go to court and plead our innocence, we can accuse, punish and defend with a judge and jury.  That will all be gone.  So, for the 10 kings to bring on their new system, they will use war to do it, and will cause those wars so they can come in with a solution and issue a NEW WORLD ORDER. 

BURN HER WITH FIRE = WAR

So the 10 kings hate the whore, because she's the one who supplies the world with whatever they desire.  They want her gone because they want all the wealth and power for themselves.  The whore feeds all the nations, not just the USA.  All have drunk from her cup.  When the 10 kings destroy her, they are destroying her system, which is the MOTHER of HARLOTS, THE MOTHER of BABYLON.

But her children remain in Babylon which is this world run by Satan.   God is going to use the Mede's to finish off Babylon's children who voted and accepted this dictator and his new system.  Not because the Mede's are good, but because they have revenge in their hearts and are cruel.  They will hate the King of the North for all their wicked works and schemes.  They will somehow hate the new system and realise that they have been used and cast aside..  They will stand up for real at the end of the False Prophet's 3 1/2 year reign because he will be conquering their lands also.  It's evil against evil.

 So all you see happening now, the wars and the terrorist attacks is a smokescreen to instill fear into us and prepare us for war so those changes can be made.

The whore is not a nation, and Babylon is not a nation.  Babylon is Satan's kingdom, this world, where his children dwell under lies and darkness, and the Whore is just metaphoric for Satan's bait. The whore is the lure enticing everyone to go after worldly things, and not the things of God, so once he's caught all the fish in his net, then he can carry on with his plan to destroy all.

I hope this makes sense.

I disagree. Why? For much of chapter 11 in Daniel, the king of the North was a king of the Seleucid Empire or SYRIA. I think you went too far north.

The whore and "Mystery Babylon" are one and the same, and are "that great city" where Jesus was crucified  - meaning Jerusalem. It is where the Beast and False prophet will reside during most of the 70th week, deceiving the entire world.

Edited June 5, 2017 by iamlamad

[iamlamad]

5 hours ago, warrior12 said:

The top historical part, i don't know too much about.   The latter half i can definitely agree with, especially the last two sentences.  A better picture is being gathered in my mind now.  Like i mentioned before, when i said the harlot is a spiritual entity, is not that who satan is really and can manifest the workings of the products such as sorcery, witchcraft, spiritual fornication and the myriads of his diabolical schemes that he has and disperses and which also materialized down to the physical world as the banking systems ect.  The key words here that intrigued me was "the whore is just a metaphoric for satan's bait".    Well i guess there are many more comments and would wait for others to comment on yours or outline their own.  The reason i mentioned USA is she so matches the description of rev 18 as no other nation has her status, but as i said, i don't know.

A question though, so who is going to be destroyed and burned, the entire world system of trade, commerce destroyed ??.  Is it then satan final demise and the description of Babylon not being inhabited again meaning satan is not going to be around again, no evil ect.  Good stuff.

It is impossible to burn a theory, or burn false religion. You can burn physical stuff, like a city. I don't know why this is so difficult. The Beast and False prophet will deceive the ENTIRE WORLD from Jerusalem. She, Jerusalem, becomes the great whore city.  It is Jerusalem that is burned.

[Revelation Man]

51 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

You are right: I was not consistant and did not follow what I said. But when I read what you wrote, I was inspired again to refute what you wrote! I know it is still useless to answer: your mind is made up with stuff I don't believe fits scripture.

 

That's all you are inspired to do, be argumentative and tell people where they are wrong. That is why I will do something I have never done, place you on ignore. I do not see Jesus in your posts brother man. I see a lot of self. I don't need the hassle of someone vexing my spirit on a Christian Message board. Besides, nothing you post is logical.

Now, think about it, do you really read, or do you just post? 

Edited June 5, 2017 by Revelation Man