Oneness claims that John 14:10 states that Jesus is God the Father

[Danger Noodle]

9 minutes ago, Limey_Bob said:

I agree that Jesus is God with us, that he (the Son of God) is fully and completely Yahweh God. But that is not the issue under discussion on this thread, the issue at hand is this: IS JESUS GOD THE FATHER? So Noodle, why do you claim that Jesus is the Father? What evidence do you have?

I don't think I'm quite following your line of query here. I am well aware of the topic at hand which is why I participate.  What are you trying to say about Jesus not being God the Father? 

[Danger Noodle]

In the spirit of sharing resources on the topical question: 

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[Limey_Bob]

3 minutes ago, Danger Noodle said:

I don't think I'm quite following your line of query here. I am well aware of the topic at hand which is why I participate.  What are you trying to say about Jesus not being God the Father? 

My point is that Jesus is not God the Father, do you agree?

[Limey_Bob]

2 minutes ago, Danger Noodle said:

In the spirit of sharing resources on the topical question: 

Search results for: jesus was God

Trinitarians like me believe that Jesus is Yahweh God, that is not the issue of this thread. This thread is discussing the claim that Jesus Christ is God the Father, it is not postulating if Jesus is simply Yahweh (God).

[Danger Noodle]

4 minutes ago, Limey_Bob said:

My point is that Jesus is not God the Father, do you agree?

Of course we do not. 

John 1:14 makes it impossible for me to agree with your question. 

 

 

[Danger Noodle]

4 minutes ago, Limey_Bob said:

Trinitarians like me believe that Jesus is Yahweh God, that is not the issue of this thread. This thread is discussing the claim that Jesus Christ is God the Father, it is not postulating if Jesus is simply Yahweh (God).

 There is no claim being made. There is scripture and there is that which is opposed to scripture truth. Are you aware of the term, Hypostatic Union? I'll leave this thread now . Best wishes to you. 

Is Jesus God?

 

by Matt Slick

Yes, Jesus is God, but the answer needs to be expounded upon. When we say that Jesus is God we're using the term "God" in reference to the divine nature. But we have to be careful because we don't want to say Jesus is God and fail to understand that God is a Trinity. The Christian doctrine of the Trinity is that God exists as three distinct persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

So, we have to be careful when we ask if Jesus is God because we have to be clear in the answer. If God is a Trinity and we say Jesus is God, then we are saying that Jesus is a Trinity. But that is not true. So in one sense the term "God" can be used to designate the totality of God as a Trinity, and in another sense it deals with the divine nature.

The correct answer is that Jesus is both divine and human. In other words, he is both God and man. God has a divine nature, and Jesus possesses the divine nature as well as the human nature. This dual nature characteristic is called the hypostatic union. (continues at link in article title above)

[Kindle]

21 minutes ago, Limey_Bob said:

My point is that Jesus is not God the Father, do you agree?

I made a thread on this awhile back. Maybe you can find some clarity in it.

 

[Danger Noodle]

I don't believe this discussion is going to progress further with scriptural facts being what is accepted at one point, Jesus is God the Father, is denied shortly thereafter with the statement, Jesus is not God the Father.

[Bible_Gazer]

11 hours ago, Limey_Bob said:

Father, Son and Holy Spirit all have one single common mind and will, as all are the same one single God, and if God had three minds and three wills then he'd be three gods. However,in one sense (as a human being), Christ does possess a mind separate from his Father and the Holy Spirit - his human mind.

Confusing statements

Luke 22:42 Jesus said "Not my will but thine be be done"  = 2 wills

John 6:38  For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
 

Holy Ghost is not consider in the God Head bodily = 1Cor.11:3

So there is 2 minds and 2 wills.

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[Limey_Bob]

12 hours ago, Bible_Gazer said:

Confusing statements

Luke 22:42 Jesus said "Not my will but thine be be done"  = 2 wills

John 6:38  For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
 

Holy Ghost is not consider in the God Head bodily = 1Cor.11:3

So there is 2 minds and 2 wills.

Christ has two minds and two wills according to both the Bible and alkso to the ancient creeds, but Yahweh God (who is eternally, personally and distinctly) Father, Son and Holy Spirit has only one mind and one will (shared by Father, Son and Holy Spirit), if he did not, then he'd be more than one single God. The reconcilition is easy, Christ possesses two natures, he is fully God and fully man, and as such that is how Christ possesses two minds and two wills in classical Trinitarian theology. I am not of course referring to what is taught as the Trinity in so many churches local to me in the UK, where church leaders seem to just "make it all up on the spur of the moment" as they go along.

12 hours ago, Bible_Gazer said: