Sessions Reverses Obama/Holder Era Policies

[Guest shiloh357]

6 minutes ago, Running Gator said:

There are a lot of worthless teetotalers, but this is not about being worthless, this is about which sins you think should be criminalized.   You have a very selective list of sins that should be criminalized while not suggesting such things for other sins.  

Why is that?

All I said was that we don't need to decriminalize Marijuana. I have not commented on sin. 

[other one]

1 hour ago, shiloh357 said:

We don't need to decriminalize Marijuana or anything else.  When the state sanctions sin, it brings judgement down on the whole nation.

 

3 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

All I said was that we don't need to decriminalize Marijuana. I have not commented on sin. 

 

[Guest shiloh357]

5 minutes ago, other one said:

 

 

what I meant is that I have not commented on sin in terms of which sins should or should not be criminalized.  That was not the point I was endeavoring to make.

[Churchmouse]

19 hours ago, Running Gator said:

Our legal system is not lax, it is broken.  Decriminalize marijuana, let everyone in jail for marijuana related offenses out.   More than 50% of our prison population is due to drug related charges, and almost 30% of those are due to marijuana only. 

Then some time or another we need to take a hard look at our country and determine what makes us so violent.   Why do we have the largest prison population in the world?  It is not like our laws are that much stricter than many other places.

It's because we have a system that punishes people for being that which the government has decided they are. Victims that only the government can aid and that is not by bringing opportunity to them but bailing them out of the poverty they assume is their lot in life, because they believe they are victims.

Edited May 13, 2017 by Churchmouse

[other one]

God help me for agreeing with Gator, but he's right in that pot isn't any more bad than beer....  not everyone who smokes pot is a pothead, like not everyone one who drinks beer is a drunk, but the same kind of worthless people abuse both.

I personally don't want to see pot used, but way way too many people are in prison that should not be just for possessing small amounts of it.   A large percent of our female prisoners that were convicted for possession were carrying it for their husbands or boy friends and didn't even smoke it.  And it's coating us a fortune to keep them in prison, and just being there will keep them from having most decent jobs for the rest of the it lives.

[simplejeff]

45 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

All I said was that we don't need to decriminalize Marijuana. I have not commented on sin. 

Totally Tangent: How about decriminalizing Vitamin A use by all the licensed clinics so people can freely know about it's uses ?   (severe deficiency is common, and people are not tested for it, nor even told, usually, at the 'normal' 'professional' medical establishments)  (they're given very strong drugs with a lot of side effects instead)

[Guest shiloh357]

 

32 minutes ago, other one said:

God help me for agreeing with Gator, but he's right in that pot isn't any more bad than beer....  not everyone who smokes pot is a pothead, like not everyone one who drinks beer is a drunk, but the same kind of worthless people abuse both.

I personally don't want to see pot used, but way way too many people are in prison that should not be just for possessing small amounts of it.   A large percent of our female prisoners that were convicted for possession were carrying it for their husbands or boy friends and didn't even smoke it.  And it's coating us a fortune to keep them in prison, and just being there will keep them from having most decent jobs for the rest of the it lives.

The alcohol comparison isn't really valid.  Not every drinks to get drunk.   I have never known anyone except Bill Clinton claim that they don't smoke pot to get high.  Pot is pretty expensive and everyone I have ever known who claims to smoke it isn't spending that kind of money to not get the high they want. 

The people in prison likely knew it was against the law to have it, and they took the gamble and lost.   They should have thought about their future and what it would cost them.  Helping someone else break the law isn't' very smart.  They made their choice and they can live with the consequences.

[simplejeff]

On 5/12/2017 at 8:07 AM, shiloh357 said:

The move will send more people to prison and for much longer terms by triggering mandatory minimum sentences.

This has been being done for a decade or longer it seems in Oklahoma - or similar -

all in line with the prophecy in Scripture,  all for greed , corruption and power towards one gov.

Last year , for instance, 5 people sat in jail because their animal was outside without a leash on. (not in fenced yard).

They would have been released / not jailed at all/ 30 years ago,  but the bail bondsman 'union' went to some judge in charge of releasing non-threatening offenders (no danger to society and no danger of flight)

and 'bribed' / pressured/ cajoled him into setting bail higher and making everyone be incarcerated no matter

because "letting people go" (who were not a flight risk, and not dangerous)

"hurts the livelihood"  of our profession (bail bondsmen).... 

Oh,  and the drug sellers get free while the 'dog free-ers' sit in jail,  because the drug sellers have money to pay the bondsmen and the lawyers....

And on and on it goes,  for many other low-level breakers of the law / sitting in jail/ 

while the dangerous ones are set free because they have the power, the money, and the lawyers.

[MorningGlory]

1 hour ago, Running Gator said:

There are a lot of worthless teetotalers, but this is not about being worthless, this is about which sins you think should be criminalized.   You have a very selective list of sins that should be criminalized while not suggesting such things for other sins.  

Why is that?

Not sure when Shiloh posted a list of sins...maybe you're projecting your own beliefs on others?  That's never a good idea.  The topic is reversing the Holder brand of law enforcement. 

[MorningGlory]

46 minutes ago, simplejeff said:

Totally Tangent: How about decriminalizing Vitamin A use by all the licensed clinics so people can freely know about it's uses ?   (severe deficiency is common, and people are not tested for it, nor even told, usually, at the 'normal' 'professional' medical establishments)  (they're given very strong drugs with a lot of side effects instead)

On what planet is Vitamin A illegal?