The Tribulation?

[Heb 13:8]

1 minute ago, shiloh357 said:

Are you speaking of the Gentiles that get saved during the tribulation?

Yes. This is who the elect are in Matt 24.

[Guest shiloh357]

Just now, Heb 13:8 said:

Yes. This is who the elect are in Matt 24.

During the tribulation, Jews and Gentiles from every nation under heaven who become believers will be martyred by the AC.   Revelation 7 tells us that they will an inumerable multitude under God's throne waiting for God's vengeance.

The elect are NOT saved Gentiles in Matt. 24.  That chapter has a Jewish context, not a Gentile context if you read the entire thing. It is very relevant to Israel.   The Church will not be here during the Tribulation.

[Heb 13:8]

Just now, shiloh357 said:

  Revelation 7 tells us that they will an inumerable multitude under God's throne waiting for God's vengeance.

The term "elect" I do believe describes those who also come to Christ after rapture in the trib, and the full number of the Gentiles comes in at the end of the 70th week...

Rom 11:7 What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened,

Rom 11:25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in,

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During the tribulation, Jews and Gentiles from every nation under heaven who become believers will be martyred by the AC. 

Every single believer on earth in the tribulation? Hmm..well there goes the suburbs.

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The elect are NOT saved Gentiles in Matt. 24.  That chapter has a Jewish context, not a Gentile context if you read the entire thing. It is very relevant to Israel. 

Rom 11:7 What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened,

Rom 11:25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in,

Gal 6:16 Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule--to the Israel of God.

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The Church will not be here during the Tribulation.

I agree brother. Rev 12:5.

[n2thelight]

3 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said:

Your belief doesn't change the fact that the word "harpazo" is in 1 Thess 4:17, Rev 12:5.

Christians have been standing against satan for 2,000 years.

Yes they have ,that I can agree,so why do you need to escape when he  comes literally in person,sounds to me like internet talkers,talking crap behind a keyboard.

[n2thelight]

1 hour ago, Heb 13:8 said:

1. If that's so, what happens to the saved Gentiles around the world, Rom 11:25.
2. Saved Gentiles (the church) also comes down from Heaven with Christ, Rev 19.
3. I would think that God brings the Jews back into their land when she gives birth in September, Micah 5:2-3.

Why do you seperate the Church from Israel?Most Jew's don't even acknoledge Christ as the Son of God,and the only way to God is through His Son.

 

So you think gentiles are the Church and the Jew's whom you wrongly think are all Israel ccan deny Christ and get saved when He returns,please!!!!!!!!

[n2thelight]

3 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said:

Your belief doesn't change the fact that the word "harpazo" is in 1 Thess 4:17, Rev 12:5.

Christians have been standing against satan for 2,000 years.

I really don't care about the word harpazo,fact remains from scripture that Christ (from His own words)returns after the trib..Period!!!!!

[n2thelight]

13 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

Matthew 24 is all about Israel in the coming 70th week decreed for them .... no one else

.... and so is Luke 21

The Lord is speaking of Israel during the coming 70th week decreed in both

So why do many posters on this forum think He is speaking to today's ecclesia of both Jew and Gentile in His discourse?

See if you can figure this truth out

Who is Israel?

[wingnut-]

3 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said:

You mean dead in their graves? Nobody is in heaven or hell right now existing as wind. The word "spirit" in Hebrew and Greek is translated wind.

 

No, I mean they are dead and in heaven.  Not their bodies, but their souls are.

 

II Corinthians 5:We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

 

God bless

[n2thelight]

5 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

Makes no difference .... a believing remnant of Israel will know what is going on when the tribulation is on the ground 

Again why do you keep seperating Israel from the Church?Christians need to know whats happening before the time of troubles

[n2thelight]

3 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said:

The elect in Matt 24 are tribulation saints. Similar to Rev 12:17.

The elect are not some so called tribulation saints,the Elect were chosen before the foundation of the world.

How does one become a saint during the trib when according to rapturist the Holy Spirit is not even gonna be here.