Shooting at the government

[Running Gator]

9 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

The judge is correct, but it has nothing to do with the shooting last week.

How can you make that claim?  Did you know the shooter personally? 

[Running Gator]

1 minute ago, Steve_S said:

He was giving what basically equates to a learned judicial opinion on the reason the founders included the second amendment. This is not the same thing as calling for the deaths of governmental officials.  

I agree it is not the same thing as calling for the deaths of governmental officials.  But then again neither is having Trump or Obama as Caesar in a production of Julius Caesar, yet people are more than happy to blame that.

That political double standard again.

[MorningGlory]

2 minutes ago, Steve_S said:

He was giving what basically equates to a learned judicial opinion on the reason the founders included the second amendment. This is not the same thing as calling for the deaths of governmental officials. The 18th century usage of the word tyranny wouldve definitively been in reference to the establishment of a monarchy or a dictatorship. I would go so far as to say that shooting at peacefully, freely, and legally elected members of congress simply because of a disagreement with their political policies is entirely antithetical to the idea that the founders wouldve been attempting to get across with the above understanding of the second amendment. 

I think a lot of Americans would be well served by studying the beginning of this country and actually reading the Constitution for themselves.  If one more person says to me that we don't have the right to own firearms, or that the Constitutional guarantees the right to marry, I'm going to scream! 

[Steve_S]

1 minute ago, Running Gator said:

I agree it is not the same thing as calling for the deaths of governmental officials.  But then again neither is having Trump or Obama as Caesar in a production of Julius Caesar, yet people are more than happy to blame that.

That political double standard again.

What people are willing to blame things on is wholly irrelevant. The guy who did the shooting did so from political motivation. That much is clear. The final catalyst is unimportant.

[Guest shiloh357]

5 minutes ago, Running Gator said:

How can you make that claim?  Did you know the shooter personally? 

This shooting was the product of a man being radicalized by the militant "resistance" movement of the Left and the liberal media that has watered the seeds of this so-called "resistance."  

They have been going back into his background and have found that he was, over time, fed a lot of militant, far left propaganda and he became an angry, irrational man full of violent hate of one party in the government.

[Guest shiloh357]

7 minutes ago, Running Gator said:

I agree it is not the same thing as calling for the deaths of governmental officials.  But then again neither is having Trump or Obama as Caesar in a production of Julius Caesar, yet people are more than happy to blame that.

That political double standard again.

No, it is not a double standard, that is ridiculous.   The judge was talking about Americans be able to defend themselves from  a government which turns into a despotic, tyrannical regime.   It has nothing do with a man who decides he doesn't like what one political party stands for and decides he is going to go murder selected members of that party.

[MorningGlory]

1 minute ago, shiloh357 said:

This shooting was the product of a man being radicalized by the militant "resistance" movement of the Left and the liberal media that has watered the seeds of this so-called "resistance."  

They have been going back into his background and have found that he was, over time, fed a lot of militant, far left propaganda and he became an angry, irrational man full of violent hate of one party in the government.

The left will not recognize any fault with the ideology nor will they consider other views.  It's obvious to law enforcement and everyone else what agenda the man followed so trying to deny it is just part of the playbook.

[Running Gator]

Just now, shiloh357 said:

No, it is not a double standard, that is ridiculous.   The judge was talking about Americans be able to defend themselves from  a government which turns into a despotic, tyrannical regime.   It has nothing do with a man who decides he doesn't like what one political party stands for and decides he is going to go murder selected members of that party.

A play in Central Park has nothing do with a man who decides he doesn't like what one political party stands for and decides he is going to go murder selected members of that party, but that has not stopped many people on the right from blaming it.

[MorningGlory]

3 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

No, it is not a double standard, that is ridiculous.   The judge was talking about Americans be able to defend themselves from  a government which turns into a despotic, tyrannical regime.   It has nothing do with a man who decides he doesn't like what one political party stands for and decides he is going to go murder selected members of that party.

Constitutional guarantees don't make sense to the Marxist, pro-islam leftists unless they can use them to further their agenda.  The man who did the shooting was a prime example of the leftist mindset.  It makes me wonder how many millions like him are out there.

[Guest shiloh357]

Just now, Running Gator said:

A play in Central Park has nothing do with a man who decides he doesn't like what one political party stands for and decides he is going to go murder selected members of that party, but that has not stopped many people on the right from blaming it.

It is a contributing factor when you consider how many radicalized members of the resistance who are sitting on the fence, seething just under the surface and would like to see Trump's life ended in a violent way.   There are some people who are ripe for that kind of inspiration and this man was just one such person.   He was marinating in his hate for Trump and the Republican party and over time, it finally brought him to the point that he was willing to do what some had only talked about and suggested.  And to some of those militant people he will be seen as a hero, not as a criminal.