JESUS IS GOD

[JohnD]

The Father COULD create heaven and earth... but he created only the body of Jesus Christ who God the Word became.

John 1:14 (AV)
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the ONLY BEGOTTEN of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Hebrews 10:5 (AV)
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but A BODY hast thou prepared me:

Hebrews 1:5 (AV)
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

John 3:16–18 (AV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

If the Father created the heaven and the earth then Jesus is not his only son...

Luke 3:38 (AV)
38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Adam (and heaven and earth) was the creation of God the Word (who became God the Son).

 

[JohnD]

1 John 1:1–2 (AV)
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

Jesus Spirit (God the Word) is as eternal as the Father. And he is equal with God:

Philippians 2:5–11 (AV)
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

 

 

[Limey_Bob]

On 6/24/2017 at 11:26 PM, KiwiChristian said:

Just believing in someone named "Jesus" means nothing unless we are talking about the Jesus Christ of the Bible. The one, eternal, everlasting, uncreated God. The one who created ALL things.  It is like if you know someone called "bob" and i know another person called "bob". Now, can we have a conversation about "bob" without defining WHO we are talking about? No.

The mormon, Jehovahs Witness, Seventh Day Adventist, UPCI, etc.  "Jesus" is NOT the Jesus Christ of the Bible.

Did Jesus really say He was God?

That’s exactly how Jesus’ original audience seemed to take it when He said, “I and the Father are one.” In fact, the Jews were ready to kill Him right there! Why? “Because you,” they said, “a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33).

On another occasion, He used the personal name of Israel’s God–the name revealed to Moses (Exodus 3:14)–to refer to Himself. And He even used the Torah for context, so no one would misunderstand Him: “Before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58). This would be about wild as telling a Muslim, “I am your God, Allah.” Don’t try that in Saudi Arabia! It’s no wonder the Jews tried to stone Him to death. That was the exact penalty for blasphemy under the Jewish legal system. It was pretty clear to everyone there  that He was saying, “I am Israel’s God.”

Why Jesus is God? The Apostle Thomas called Jesus God.John 20:27-29: 2. The Apostle Peter called Jesus God.2 Peter 1:1: 3.The Apostle John called Jesus God.John 1:1-3, 4.God the Father called Jesus God.Hebrews 1:8: 5. God the Father called Jesus God. 6.Isaiah the Prophet said the Messiah would be God.Isaiah 9:67. The Jews who crucified Jesus understood Him to be saying that He was equal with God.John 5:18: 8.Jesus called Himself "I AM", the Old Testament name for God (Exodus 3:14).John 8:58-59. 9.Jesus calls Himself "the Alpha and Omega," the title of Almighty God.Revelation 22:12-13. 10. Like God (Gen. 1:1) Jesus created.Colossians 1:16-1711. Like God, Jesus forgives sin.Mark 2:5-7, 10-11:12. Like God, Jesus gives eternal life.John 10:27-28: 13. Like God, Jesus received, receives and will receive worship.Matthew 14:32-33. 14. Jesus said that only God was good; and Jesus was good. John 10:11: "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep."John 10:11: "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep."Jesus was as good as they come. He was "sinless," "holy," "righteous," "innocent," "undefiled," and "separate from sinners." (Hebrews 7:26) That's pretty good! 15. Like God, Jesus can be present in more than one place at the same time.Matthew 18:20: 16. One of Jesus' titles is "God with us."Matthew 1:23. 17. Jesus' blood is called God's blood.Acts 20:28: 18. Jesus has the same nature as God.Hebrews 1:3a: 19. Jesus spoke as God.Jesus did not speak as one of God's prophets: "thus says the Lord," but as God: "I say to you."Matthew 5:27-29. 20. Like God (Psalm 136:3), Jesus is called the Lord of Lords and King of kings.Revelation 17:14. And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. ( WHEN WAS GOD PIERCED? ). And he shall pass through Judah; he shall overflow and go over, he shall reach even to the neck; and the stretching out of his wings shall fill the breadth of thy land, O Immanuel (means God Among Us). 

John 1:1 "Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος  ",  "En archē ēn ho Logos kai ho Logos ēn pros ton Theon kai Theos ēn ho Logos", "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word"

John 1:14, "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."

John 8:58 "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." Crossreference with Exodus 3:14 "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."

John 10:33 "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."

John 20:28 "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God."

Collossians 2:9 "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."

Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: "

Matthew 4:10 "Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." Crossreference with Matthew 2:2, Matthew 2:11, Matthew 28:9.

Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." Crossreference with Revelation 1:17 "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he." and Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

Great post, however, you assume that Trinitarian Churches (such as Baptist, Assemblies of God, and Elim Pentecostal) are Trinitarian and are therefore preaching the true gospel, just because such groups often put a Biblically accurate Trinitarian doctrinal statement of faith up onto their web site and into their Church doctrinal statement of faith. I live in Plymouth in the UK, and whatever the situation is the US, or in Asia or South America, here in the UK, many people who attend evangelical type churches are modalists who have affirmed to be over and over again that Jesus is God the Father, or else many are tri-theists. I left Church in 2010, and I no longer attend anywhere, partly due to the numerous sexual scandals which I had discovered within several local fellowships, but even more so because of the constant anti-Trinitarianism within so many nominally Trinitarian Churches (I also encountered Apollinarianism and Tri-theism frequently). So I no longer regard most church people as genuine and true Christians, some are of course, but I have encountered such hatred, such viciousness, and such spitefulness from so-called evangelical Christians, that I would personally believe that very little of it is genuinely of God. I also see people 5 to 10 years down the road after they've left their church experience, and the number of lives which I've seen destroyed by these religious people is astounding. Several people, not just myself, recall incidents of themselves as lay people, discovering fornication by Church leaders and when the matter is raised, they the lay people, are either thrown out of the church, or else they are made so uncomfortable that the constant cold-shoulder and backbiting within fellowships, drives them out. I see more love, more mercy, more kindness in some atheists and skeptics than I see in many church attending evangelical Christians. Thank goodness I'm out of it and now I follow Christ, and Christ alone, rather than some corrupt preacher who is too ignorant even to know what the Trinity is. 

[Estrella]

On 6/25/2017 at 7:26 AM, KiwiChristian said:

Just believing in someone named "Jesus" means nothing unless we are talking about the Jesus Christ of the Bible. The one, eternal, everlasting, uncreated God. The one who created ALL things.  It is like if you know someone called "bob" and i know another person called "bob". Now, can we have a conversation about "bob" without defining WHO we are talking about? No.

The mormon, Jehovahs Witness, Seventh Day Adventist, UPCI, etc.  "Jesus" is NOT the Jesus Christ of the Bible.

Did Jesus really say He was God?

That’s exactly how Jesus’ original audience seemed to take it when He said, “I and the Father are one.” In fact, the Jews were ready to kill Him right there! Why? “Because you,” they said, “a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33).

On another occasion, He used the personal name of Israel’s God–the name revealed to Moses (Exodus 3:14)–to refer to Himself. And He even used the Torah for context, so no one would misunderstand Him: “Before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58). This would be about wild as telling a Muslim, “I am your God, Allah.” Don’t try that in Saudi Arabia! It’s no wonder the Jews tried to stone Him to death. That was the exact penalty for blasphemy under the Jewish legal system. It was pretty clear to everyone there  that He was saying, “I am Israel’s God.”

Why Jesus is God? The Apostle Thomas called Jesus God.John 20:27-29: 2. The Apostle Peter called Jesus God.2 Peter 1:1: 3.The Apostle John called Jesus God.John 1:1-3, 4.God the Father called Jesus God.Hebrews 1:8: 5. God the Father called Jesus God. 6.Isaiah the Prophet said the Messiah would be God.Isaiah 9:67. The Jews who crucified Jesus understood Him to be saying that He was equal with God.John 5:18: 8.Jesus called Himself "I AM", the Old Testament name for God (Exodus 3:14).John 8:58-59. 9.Jesus calls Himself "the Alpha and Omega," the title of Almighty God.Revelation 22:12-13. 10. Like God (Gen. 1:1) Jesus created.Colossians 1:16-1711. Like God, Jesus forgives sin.Mark 2:5-7, 10-11:12. Like God, Jesus gives eternal life.John 10:27-28: 13. Like God, Jesus received, receives and will receive worship.Matthew 14:32-33. 14. Jesus said that only God was good; and Jesus was good. John 10:11: "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep."John 10:11: "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep."Jesus was as good as they come. He was "sinless," "holy," "righteous," "innocent," "undefiled," and "separate from sinners." (Hebrews 7:26) That's pretty good! 15. Like God, Jesus can be present in more than one place at the same time.Matthew 18:20: 16. One of Jesus' titles is "God with us."Matthew 1:23. 17. Jesus' blood is called God's blood.Acts 20:28: 18. Jesus has the same nature as God.Hebrews 1:3a: 19. Jesus spoke as God.Jesus did not speak as one of God's prophets: "thus says the Lord," but as God: "I say to you."Matthew 5:27-29. 20. Like God (Psalm 136:3), Jesus is called the Lord of Lords and King of kings.Revelation 17:14. And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. ( WHEN WAS GOD PIERCED? ). And he shall pass through Judah; he shall overflow and go over, he shall reach even to the neck; and the stretching out of his wings shall fill the breadth of thy land, O Immanuel (means God Among Us). 

John 1:1 "Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος  ",  "En archē ēn ho Logos kai ho Logos ēn pros ton Theon kai Theos ēn ho Logos", "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word"

John 1:14, "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."

John 8:58 "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." Crossreference with Exodus 3:14 "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."

John 10:33 "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."

John 20:28 "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God."

Collossians 2:9 "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."

Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: "

Matthew 4:10 "Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." Crossreference with Matthew 2:2, Matthew 2:11, Matthew 28:9.

Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." Crossreference with Revelation 1:17 "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he." and Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

Spot on..

 

[KiwiChristian]

On 25/06/2017 at 3:32 PM, Your closest friendnt said:

JESUS is the SAVIOR 

The world needed a SAVIOR 

Yes, thats WHAT He is.

 

But WHO is He?

 

Unless you believe that He is God, you will die in your sins.

 

[KiwiChristian]

58 minutes ago, Limey_Bob said:

Great post, however, you assume that Trinitarian Churches (such as Baptist, Assemblies of God, and Elim Pentecostal) are Trinitarian 

Hmm. Where did i say that?

[Estrella]

On 6/27/2017 at 0:51 AM, Swords99 said:

Someone once tried to describe the Trinity this way: Take water for example. It comes in 3 forms: liquid, vapor and ice. but it's all from the same source: water.

Or the egg.. : the shell, the white part and the yolk.. still the whole egg .. but the liquid describes trinity better i think lol.

[Estrella]

I just finished the whole thread. Wow. I felt like i just entered a battlefield and came out of it. But seriously, i am quite dismayed that there are so many diversions of thoughts regarding the deity of Jesus. All my life i have heard accusations of Muslims against Christians with regards to equating Jesus with God. They reject the whole trinity concept of course and consider it as blasphemy, just like how the Jews during Jesus time reacted. They only consider him as a mere prophet, and the last prophet: the prophet Muhammad as the greatest one of all. And the holy spirit which was promised when Jesus was raised up was intepreted as the coming of prophet Muhammad (Correct me if im wrong). But here i am in this thread, as someone who has accepted Christ as Lord and Savior and coming from a totally different background, find Christians bickering on the deity of Christ. For one, if Christ is not God or is not the great I Am, the Alpha and Omega, or all that i have felt convicted based on the scriptures and the basic doctrine of the Christian faith, then all of what i believe is false? The very reason martyrs died for preaching about Christ are amount to nothing? Where i come from, Trinity is the basic or the core of Christianity. Take that away, Christianity crumbles...and well Islam would make more sense. All this mention about partial / full God and greater God, less greater God is depressing. Seeing all these, i sometimes understand why Christians lose faith and head to different directions for peace. 

[Swords99]

16 minutes ago, Eastern Star said:

I just finished the whole thread. Wow. I felt like i just entered a battlefield and came out of it. But seriously, i am quite dismayed that there are so many diversions of thoughts regarding the deity of Jesus. All my life i have heard accusations of Muslims against Christians with regards to equating Jesus with God. They reject the whole trinity concept of course and consider it as blasphemy, just like how the Jews during Jesus time reacted. They only consider him as a mere prophet, and the last prophet: the prophet Muhammad as the greatest one of all. And the holy spirit which was promised when Jesus was raised up was intepreted as the coming of prophet Muhammad (Correct me if im wrong). But here i am in this thread, as someone who has accepted Christ as Lord and Savior and coming from a totally different background, find Christians bickering on the deity of Christ. For one, if Christ is not God or is not the great I Am, the Alpha and Omega, or all that i have felt convicted based on the scriptures and the basic doctrine of the Christian faith, then all of what i believe is false? The very reason martyrs died for preaching about Christ are amount to nothing? Where i come from, Trinity is the basic or the core of Christianity. Take that away, Christianity crumbles...and well Islam would make more sense. All this mention about partial / full God and greater God, less greater God is depressing. Seeing all these, i sometimes understand why Christians lose faith and head to different directions for peace. 

I agree with you on this. Nothing is sadder that Christians bickering and many do it in a spirit of meanness. Posts are getting longer and longer and more difficult to read and sort out.

What we need to remember is that the Gospel of Jesus Christ is a simple one that even a child can understand it and get saved.

The Trinity is somewhat more difficult to understand and explain, however, but the concept of it is clearly seen in the Scriptures. God the Son came to earth in order to become a man so that He could die for our sins. He was always deity. He never gave that up even when He had to lower Himself for a little while for humanity's sake. He is and always will be God, the 2nd Person in the Godhead (Trinity).

[angels4u]

9 minutes ago, Eastern Star said:

I just finished the whole thread. Wow. I felt like i just entered a battlefield and came out of it. But seriously, i am quite dismayed that there are so many diversions of thoughts regarding the deity of Jesus. All my life i have heard accusations of Muslims against Christians with regards to equating Jesus with God. They reject the whole trinity concept of course and consider it as blasphemy, just like how the Jews during Jesus time reacted. They only consider him as a mere prophet, and the last prophet: the prophet Muhammad as the greatest one of all. And the holy spirit which was promised when Jesus was raised up was intepreted as the coming of prophet Muhammad (Correct me if im wrong). But here i am in this thread, as someone who has accepted Christ as Lord and Savior and coming from a totally different background, find Christians bickering on the deity of Christ. For one, if Christ is not God or is not the great I Am, the Alpha and Omega, or all that i have felt convicted based on the scriptures and the basic doctrine of the Christian faith, then all of what i believe is false? The very reason martyrs died for preaching about Christ are amount to nothing? Where i come from, Trinity is the basic or the core of Christianity. Take that away, Christianity crumbles...and well Islam would make more sense. All this mention about partial / full God and greater God, less greater God is depressing. Seeing all these, i sometimes understand why Christians lose faith and head to different directions for peace. 

Hello Tan,

I do understand your confusion knowing your background, it is important of who we believe  Jesus is , He is God and there are no other gods beside Him. The people who do not believe  that Jesus is God are wrong in to interpretation of the Bible in such a way they make it to their own liking. The Bible is clear about this that in the latter days there will be people teaching a different gospel which is not from God but from the Antichrist .

 

Knowing this first: that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts 2 Peter 3:3

But every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. 1 John 4:3