JESUS IS GOD

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Yowm said:

Please provide a Scripture from Paul for this. Please quit insinuating I am prosecuting you. If you can't provide an explanation for the above maybe you can be honest and say it was written in error. 

Abraham, Samuel, David, Saul and John the Baptist. 

All of them besides John the Baptist, they didn't meet JESUS while they lived. 

When was the first time they met JESUS CHRIST?

I am looking forward to see what was their hope about the CHRIST. 

What they needed from the CHRIST. 

If their needs are the same as ours today. 

For what reason they needed a SAVIOR. 

And how about us today.

Do we have the same needs as them, that time?

Do we need the CHRIST for the same needs as they? 

Will we find our selves in the same situation as they? 

Paul's encouder with the Macedonian Man. 

Paul knew what the Macedonian Man meant when he asked " how to be Saved", do we have the same need today. 

After the resurrection JESUS CHRIST said: 

"I have the keys of Hades and Death". 

I hope I am not difficult, but I am not a preacher. 

I am a two way conversation. 

Hope you see it in Paul and the Machedonian Man .

 

 

Edited July 1, 2017 by Your closest friendnt

[OldCoot]

Agree.  Abraham declared, after the event of God providing the lamb in place of Isaac, that on that spot, on the mount of the Lord it will be seen.  What will be seen?  God would sacrifice His own Son.  The whole event was an acting out of prophecy.  

[Your closest friendnt]

16 minutes ago, Yowm said:

A red herring. I am asking you can you explain this remark you stated on the first page of this thread...

"Since the resurrection of Jesus Christ we do not need a SAVIOR anymore, that's what Paul was teaching" - a quote by Your closest friend June 24th 8:57 pm 

Can you give the Scripture references, or was it your mistake?

Another non answer and I will disregard your posts.

First I would like to say that I have great respect for you, for not ignoring that very post you are inquiring about, so here I am I will tell you exactly what I meant to say. 

Before The redemption of Jesus we had the two groups of people in the world".

The Jews,and the Gentiles. (Within the Jews we had others inclusive). 

When the Jews died they are not gather in the same place as the Gentiles. 

They all descended and no one ascended at time of Death. 

So in JESUS CHRIST mission was a mission to descent in the place of where the Jews were waiting and give them the good news that he is there not as a captive himself, but as the CHRIST, to deliver them from their captivity and to lead them to their new place , the Heavenly inheritance, the Heavenly promise Land, that's where he is going and he will take them with him. 

We our selfs we will never experience this . 

So we don't need a Savior to deliver us from the same captivity. 

We are free from this captivity.

 

[Your closest friendnt]

22 minutes ago, Yowm said:

Can you give me just one or two Scripture verses that teach that or is this your own view?

I read Paul in many many places calling Him 'our Savior'.

We are not taken captives at time of Death like the Jews were, because we are having the life in us, unlike the Jews of that time who had Death in them. 

Their needs and our needs are not the same. 

They were taken captives and we are not. 

JESUS said: 

I must descent first to the lower parts of Earth, before I ascent to the highest of Heaven. 

The Jews needed to be delivered from the place where the had descended, and we do not. 

The same for the Gentiles who heard the Gospel and believe. 

Paul said to Machedonian Man, Believe in Jesus Christ and you will not descent, you will be Saved from the discending inheritance of your forefathers.

Instant you will ascent to the New Heavenly inheritance for Mankind. 

O! Death where is your sting, O! Grave where is thy victory. 

Upsent from the body, to be present to the Lord. 

I have the Keys of Hades and Death.

 

 

[Guest Thallasa]

8 hours ago, OldCoot said:

 

It is quite simple.  The OP said that Yeshua didn't claim to be God.  In the scripture reference I posted, the scribes and pharisees who were face to face with Yeshua sure thought that is what He was claiming.  So, that was my point, when there is any doubt about what Yeshua is claiming, the scribes and pharisees came to our rescue and confirmed what Yeshua was claiming.   Yet, almost 2000 years later, some who have never met Yeshua face to face and heard Him speak at the Temple seem to think that He wasn't claiming to be God.  The eye witnesses sure thought so.

 Of course : this point is seldom made clearly ,but gives a very clear indication for those in doubt .Bravo

[Guest Thallasa]

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Abraham, Samuel, David, Saul and John the Baptist. 

All of them besides John the Baptist, they didn't meet JESUS while they lived. 

When was the first time they met JESUS CHRIST?

I am looking forward to see what was their hope about the CHRIST. 

What they needed from the CHRIST. 

If their needs are the same as ours today. 

For what reason they needed a SAVIOR. 

And how about us today.

Do we have the same needs as them, that time?

Do we need the CHRIST for the same needs as they? 

Will we find our selves in the same situation as they? 

Paul's encouder with the Macedonian Man. 

Paul knew what the Macedonian Man meant when he asked " how to be Saved", do we have the same need today. 

After the resurrection JESUS CHRIST said: 

"I have the keys of Hades and Death". 

I hope I am not difficult, but I am not a preacher. 

I am a two way conversation. 

Hope you see it in Paul and the Machedonian Man .

 

 

Very interesting questions to reflect upon !!! None  has answered as yet  .

I do know , that there were varying beliefs and that the Sadducees did not believe  in life after death .  They no longer exist as a group .

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Thallasa said:

Very interesting questions to reflect upon !!! None  has answered as yet  .

I do know , that there were varying beliefs and that the Sadducees did not believe  in life after death .  They no longer exist as a group .

There is a reason  why JESUS CHRIST choose the Greeks and the Italians, and why the Christian faith flourish amongst those nations, and they never let go of it even in the face of death by the Lions for a long time. 

Those nations they New the truth about to what happened to all people when they die. (Before Jesus Christ).

First they all believe in life after death. 

They knew what was the inheritance of all the people Jews or Gentiles, they knew it was a descending inheritance .

They knew about the God Hades. 

And they welcome the news that JESUS conquer death and Hades, and has the Heavenly inheritance for those who believe in him. 

They knew that Hades can not take them from Jesus Christ. 

They believe in Jesus because they wanted to go to heaven and they died for their faith. 

In a few words. 

They were not like the Eastern religions who had denied life after death in Sheol, in the prison below. 

[Guest Thallasa]

14 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

There is a reason  why JESUS CHRIST choose the Greeks and the Italians, and why the Christian faith flourish amongst those nations, and they never let go of it even in the face of death by the Lions for a long time. 

Those nations they New the truth about to what happened to all people when they die. (Before Jesus Christ).

First they all believe in life after death. 

They knew what was the inheritance of all the people Jews or Gentiles, they knew it was a descending inheritance .

They knew about the God Hades. 

And they welcome the news that JESUS conquer death and Hades, and has the Heavenly inheritance for those who believe in him. 

They knew that Hades can not take them from Jesus Christ. 

They believe in Jesus because they wanted to go to heaven and they died for their faith. 

In a few words. 

They were not like the Eastern religions who had denied life after death in Sheol, in the prison below. 

Do you mean that we inherited life through our family inheritance ? The ancient Irish also believed in life after death , and they took like very thirsty persons to drink in the belief in, and love of Jesus, whom they recognised as the true God .

Eastern religions , like what for example ? I remember being alive before as a Roman Catholic ,and I did not understand their rituals . I came back to find more , understand more, and part of this is reading the bible ,but there is much more .

[Your closest friendnt]

34 minutes ago, Thallasa said:

Do you mean that we inherited life through our family inheritance ?

 

 

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The ancient Irish also believed in life after death , and they took like very thirsty persons to drink in the belief in, and love of Jesus, whom they recognised as the true God .

This is it. 

The ancient nations who believe in life after death they also knew that at time of death they were descenting Bellow, in Hades or the way they name it in their coulture. 

So as soon as they heard about Jesus and Heaven in the name of Jesus Christ they were very happy. They main reason they believe it was that , they wanted to go to Heaven. That's the saying JESUS CHRIST save us from "the prison below", 

This is the greatest news they ever heard. 

 

 

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Eastern religions , like what for example?

 

Like Hindu and others who hide from the people the truth about the prison below, and told things to make them feel good, about reicarnation, and other, that's why the Gospel didn't prosper in these nations. 

The people did not long to be free from the prison below. 

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I remember being alive before as a Roman Catholic

As a RC you were alive in JESUS CHRIST all the time, you were under his blood and you had his Eternal Life all the time. 

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,and I did not understand their rituals . I came back to find more , understand more, and part of this is reading the bible ,but there is much more .

The words you use are correct, to fine more , to understand more, bewtiful, and that what I say to my family, to learn more, to understand more, and correctly what they believe. 

There is opression in RC. 

They hold back the Holy Spirit from the people, and some how the people like it, because they want to be free from the HS troubling their consience, they loved the world, like I did, they can choose to charter their own path. 

Yes you had the life from your RC family. 

Even born with it, as Paul explain it. 

Even one of the parents having the life of JESUS CHRIST their children are born to him.

[Guest Thallasa]

17 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

 

This is it. 

The ancient nations who believe in life after death they also knew that at time of death they were descenting Bellow, in Hades or the way they name it in their coulture. 

So as soon as they heard about Jesus and Heaven in the name of Jesus Christ they were very happy. They main reason they believe it was that , they wanted to go to Heaven. That's the saying JESUS CHRIST save us from "the prison below", 

This is the greatest news they ever heard. 

 

 

 

Like Hindu and others who hide from the people the truth about the prison below, and told things to make them feel good, about reicarnation, and other, that's why the Gospel didn't prosper in these nations. 

The people did not long to be free from the prison below. 

As a RC you were alive in JESUS CHRIST all the time, you were under his blood and you had his Eternal Life all the time. 

The words you use are correct, to fine more , to understand more, bewtiful, and that what I say to my family, to learn more, to understand more, and correctly what they believe. 

There is opression in RC. 

They hold back the Holy Spirit from the people, and some how the people like it, because they want to be free from the HS troubling their consience, they loved the world, like I did, they can choose to charter their own path. 

Yes you had the life from your RC family. 

Even born with it, as Paul explain it. 

Even one of the parents having the life of JESUS CHRIST their children are born to him.

Goodnight Closest Friendnt ,

May God bless you and may you have the sleep of the just .