John Paul II has died

[Fiosh]

I don't think I did the little quote box thingy quite right????

I think I feel offended because of what I believe is behind the question, namely, "Catholics are not saved". Non-Catholics' negative comments about the pope, at least in my view, are a reflection of their prejudiced attitudes, and often disdain, against Catholics in general.

What prejudice? Am I prejudiced because I tell you what the BIBLE says? This is ridiculous.

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[serotta]

I don't think I did the little quote box thingy quite right????

Fiosh, you got the text inside the brackets right, but it has to be UPPER CASE.

[nebula]

Actually, it doesn't matter if it is upper or lower case.

The problem is you have a quote inside a quote, but only one of the quotes ha the quote-starter.

What I mean is to fix the post, click the "EDIT" button.

Then in the text block where is says:

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I don't think I did the little quote box thingy quite right????

I think I feel offended

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type in

before the first. So, it will look like this:

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I don't think I did the little quote box thingy quite right????

I think I feel offended

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Got it?

[IreneM]

does history teach us nothing ??

this is a circle discussion just goes round and round

In Christ

IreneM

[dgolvach]

Lets keep it honest. People enjoy a spirited internet debate though most won't admit it. Usually its Protestant vs. Protestant. Why should Catholics be left out. With a few "play nice" rules, a debate such as this can be healthy. It makes you consider your own dogma and we all have it. No name calling. Just explain to your opponent why you are right and he or she is is wrong. God is the most intence subject there is and why wouldn't we debate it. Seems only natural to me. I admit that I enjoy debating issues concerning God. Most people sit around and watch American Idle but we here are debating the "big question" that will matter for all of eternity. So it gets a bit testy at times. Big deal! We are on the internet folks. We're not going to shoot each other. I think Catholics have it wrong on some issues. I also think my church(Nazerene) has it wrong on some things as well. Not everyone can have it 100% on target like me. My point is this: this is a Christian message board and there are going to be debates. So...just lighten up and tell the other person why they are wrong and give them a chance to respond.

God Bless John Paul

Dan

[Keith]

Lets keep it honest. People enjoy a spirited internet debate though most won't admit it.

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In the spirit of keeping it honest, this is not true for everyone. I, for one, hate debates, spirited or otherwise. I don't even see the usefulness of them most of the time. No one ever changes the other person's mind and no one ever "wins". A mature person might see something in a way they've never thought before, but their viewpoint rarely changes because of it.

I enjoy discussions. I will present my "side" and give reasons why I believe the way I do. I will also politely listen to someone else and their views on the subject. If we don't agree, then I instantly agree to disagree and move on. It's more important to keep the peace than it is to be right, IMO. There is, of course, a time and a place for debates. I just don't happen to enjoy them in the least.

[dgolvach]

In the spirit of keeping it honest, this is not true for everyone. I, for one, hate debates, spirited or otherwise. I don't even see the usefulness of them most of the time. No one ever changes the other person's mind and no one ever "wins". A mature person might see something in a way they've never thought before, but their viewpoint rarely changes because of it.

Hey Man....If debating is not your thing than I totally respect that as well. I hope you understand that many do like to debate. At one time I debated with Christians the existance of God. I was told from an early age that religion was nonsence and that heaven and hell were right here on earth and that death was merely"lights out for good". And so I believed that for my first 17 years. It tooks some friends at high school who were willing to challenge my belief or lack of on a consistant basis to win me to Christ. It didn't come overnight. As I recall, it took around a year of hearing my argument countered in a way that was hard for me to counter back before I resigned my previous ill-guided dogma. When some one makes a statement about God, I want to know how they support what they say. Scripture along with logic and reason is what I'm looking for. If it comes rapped in a testy bag? So what. I'm interested in truth. I believe I have the truth and if someone else thinks I've got it wrong. I accept the contest. Truth is more important than someone's feelings getting hurt allthough I will say that if the debate gets off course into a insult match, the outcome is usually less than what I would hope for. I did mention that there should be some ground rules. No name calling ect. ect..

Regards

Dan

[FaithfulFollower]

[Can someone tell me how to insert those nice little quote boxes, please?????]

Maniac said:

"I'm not Catholic, and that's probably part of the reason I don't understand. But if Billy Graham died, and someone said he wasn't saved, I wouldn't get upset about it and defend him on it. So I don't understand why people get upset about others saying the Pope was not saved. They don't know. And it wouldn't matter if they did.

But, (and I know this may seem inflamitory), it almost seems to me that they (those who get upset) are looking more at the creature (the Pope) than the Creator. Could this be true? Just asking because I honestly DON'T understand."

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You ask a good question, M.

[dgolvach]

DV,

I have taken heat for years because I won't let go of my Catholic roots. I also know the severity and amount of the false doctrine within the church and I'm no longer interested in defending it. Doctrine isn't what damns a person and neither is a church.

I also enjoy debating issues, especially that of prophecy. Why so blind questions the salvation of Catholic's. Yet he doesn't take the challenge when faced with controversial issues of prophecy. He and many others would rather remain a revived Roman empirist than seek out the truth. Even many of the big shot prophecy experts refuse to confront the RAE/EU issue because it blows their entire end time theory right out of bible prophecy. They would rather mix the theories and wait until they are proven wrong rather than admit that they made millions on false doctrine.

The RRE and pretribulationism will go down in church history as the most widely held false doctrine of the christian era.

Reverend Turmoil

My official position on prophetic issues in simply; " I really don't know for sure". It is an interesting subject but I have heard so many opinions on this from people who are real Biblical gunslingers that I doubt I will ever really know. I do try to read the Bible and test what others say with it. Thats all I can do. One thing for sure. We all will have an End Time. This is why I think that debate is important. We only get one life to make sure we are right with God. Its very important to think about it. The thought of Hell puts me into paralysis with fear. I want to be as sure as possible that I leave this life with the saving truth.

God Bless

Dan

[Deez131]

Deez,

Sorry you took offense.  Just think how us Catholic's feel when other christians continually cut us up.  Not to mention the lengthy anti-Catholic web sites, many of which are Baptist or Fundamentalist Baptist view.

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I understand what you're saying. I just disagree with the lumping of Fund. Baptists.

By the way.....I didn't take offense. I don't tend to get offended that easily. I was just thinking WSB might get his feelings hurt a little. I'm used to the Baptist comments - especially being Reformed. Man, am I used to it.