Running Gator Posted September 8, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.73 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 3 hours ago, shiloh357 said: Yes, but that is the effect it would have on Adam in his fallen state. That doesn't speak to the purpose of the tree for Adam in his unfallen state. Adam was immortal and unable to die physically prior to the fall, as God did not engineer death into creation. So the purpose of the tree for Adam in his unfallen state must have been different. The bible does not tell us the Tree of Life had a different purpose prior to the fall, that is just conjecture. Also, we know that the tree of knowledge of good and evil did exactly what it was named, I see no good reason to assume the Tree of Life is any different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 18 minutes ago, Running Gator said: The bible does not tell us the Tree of Life had a different purpose prior to the fall, that is just conjecture. I am not conjecturing anything. I said that you're question assumes a purpose NOT stated in Scripture. That's not conjecture. I addressed the nature of your question, not the actual purpose of the tree. Quote Also, we know that the tree of knowledge of good and evil did exactly what it was named, I see no good reason to assume the Tree of Life is any different. The problem is that Adam and Eve were not created to die or with the ability to die. To assume that the tree of life was meant to keep people alive who cannot die is irrational. Furthermore, YOU are the one conjecturing about the purpose of Tree of Life, not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted September 8, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.73 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: I am not conjecturing anything. I said that you're question assumes a purpose NOT stated in Scripture. That's not conjecture. I addressed the nature of your question, not the actual purpose of the tree. Scripture states the purpose of the tree, you are making assumptions that purpose somehow changed after the fall. Scripture does not tell us that is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steward George Posted September 8, 2017 Group: Steward Followers: 110 Topic Count: 10,461 Topics Per Day: 1.26 Content Count: 27,742 Content Per Day: 3.34 Reputation: 15,386 Days Won: 126 Joined: 06/30/2001 Status: Online Birthday: 09/21/1971 Steward Share Posted September 8, 2017 Please ... agree to disagree ... we're really starting to go around in circles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted September 8, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.73 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 Just now, George said: Please ... agree to disagree ... we're really starting to go around in circles. Works for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 15 minutes ago, Running Gator said: Scripture states the purpose of the tree, you are making assumptions that purpose somehow changed after the fall. Scripture does not tell us that is the case. Scripture tells us what effect the tree would have on Adam in his fallen state. It doesn't state what the purpose would be in connection to people who can't die. It is possible that for Adam and Eve prior to the fall, they enjoyed the tree for some other reason. I am simply stating the tree could have had more than one purpose for being in existence, but that the Bible doesn't give us any light on that issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted September 8, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.73 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 25 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: Scripture tells us what effect the tree would have on Adam in his fallen state. It doesn't state what the purpose would be in connection to people who can't die. It is possible that for Adam and Eve prior to the fall, they enjoyed the tree for some other reason. I am simply stating the tree could have had more than one purpose for being in existence, but that the Bible doesn't give us any light on that issue. Yes, I agree it is possible and it could have had. It was requested of me that I "show scripture that even hints at that?" Which I did, since we are now in the realm of "possible" and "could have" then it is also could have the purpose I think the passage "hints" at. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted September 8, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 593 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 55,875 Content Per Day: 7.55 Reputation: 27,624 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted September 8, 2017 On 9/7/2017 at 7:15 AM, shiloh357 said: It is also important to note that the result of the eradication of sin in the future has, as one of it's results, the eradication of physical death. It's part of the curse that is eradicated. When sin is done away with, we will live in eternity forever. So there is a definite connection between Adam's fall and physical death. We still die though we are saved, and once we are changed we will have different bodies not the ones we now have. Don't see how we can join that all as the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted September 8, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 593 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 55,875 Content Per Day: 7.55 Reputation: 27,624 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted September 8, 2017 On 9/7/2017 at 7:15 AM, shiloh357 said: It is also important to note that the result of the eradication of sin in the future has, as one of it's results, the eradication of physical death. It's part of the curse that is eradicated. When sin is done away with, we will live in eternity forever. So there is a definite connection between Adam's fall and physical death. We still die though we are saved, and once we are changed we will have different bodies not the ones we now have. Don't see how we can join that all as the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 2 hours ago, Running Gator said: Yes, I agree it is possible and it could have had. It was requested of me that I "show scripture that even hints at that?" Which I did, since we are now in the realm of "possible" and "could have" then it is also could have the purpose I think the passage "hints" at. Thanks! It doesn't "hint" at anything. You have not addressed why Adam and Eve would need to kept alive by eating from it, if they could not die in the first place. Your suggestion is simply not rational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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