Guest shiloh357 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 22 minutes ago, Heb 13:8 said: Right! came into existence, that is conception! No, that's not conception. God simply, in the Person of the Holy Spirit inaugurated the church age. Quote Israel is our mother shiloh. No, Israel is not our mother. God is our Father. The church has no mother. The Bible never speaks of the Church having a mother. you are adding to the word of God Quote Read Isa 50:1, Jer 3:8, (Micah 5:2 Ephrathah/an Israelite woman). Where do you think the church came from? Isa. 50: 1 is talking to Israel. Jer. 3:8 has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion. Ephratah is not a woman. It is region outside of Bethlehem where the Passover lambs were guarded by Levitical shepherds. Jesus is Jewish, yes. Not that it matters to this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted September 19, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted September 19, 2017 10 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: No, that's not conception. God simply, in the Person of the Holy Spirit inaugurated the church age. Inaugurated, as in put life into it? Doesn't life begin at conception? Life begins at conception, not birth Psa 139:13-16, Jer 1:4-5, Matt 1:20, Acts 2:1-4 (Roe v. Wade) 13 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: No, Israel is not our mother. God is our Father. The church has no mother. The Bible never speaks of the Church having a mother. you are adding to the word of God The church came out of Israel brother. That's where it all began, in Israel. Similar to how Isa 26:18 is giving birth to the Holy Spirit. Isa 50:1 This is what the LORD says: "Where is your mother's certificate of divorce with which I sent her away? Or to which of my creditors did I sell you? Because of your sins you were sold; because of your transgressions your mother was sent away. Jer 3:8 I gave faithless Israel her certificate of divorce and sent her away because of all her adulteries. Yet I saw that her unfaithful sister Judah had no fear; she also went out and committed adultery. Micah 5:2-4 (Verse 2 Jesus time)"But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah (Israelite woman), though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times." (Verse 3 Our time) 3Therefore Israel will be abandoned until the time when she who is in labor bears a son, and the rest of his brothers return to join the Israelites. (Verse 4 1000 year reign time) 4He will stand and shepherd his flock in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God. And they will live securely, for then his greatness will reach to the ends of the earth. 21 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: Ephratah is not a woman. It is region outside of Bethlehem where the Passover lambs were guarded by Levitical shepherds. Ephrath or Ephrathah: an Israelite woman, also the name of several places in Palestine Original Word: אֶפְרָת Part of Speech: proper name; proper name, of a location; proper name, feminine Transliteration: Ephrath or Ephrathah Phonetic Spelling: (ef-rawth') Short Definition: Ephrath 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted September 19, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted September 19, 2017 4 hours ago, shiloh357 said: Now, you will notice in all of the references I have just given you, not a single one of them applies in any way, shape or form the the Church. It is all about the “woman”, the nation of Israel. Where is the Church? Why, we have been in Heaven ever since the Rapture which happens in Revelation 4. Where is the church? In Rev 12:4 and also Rev 12:5, teknon.. Rev 12:1-5 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman (Israel) clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She (Israel) was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon (Satan) with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon (Satan) stood in front of the woman (Israel) who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child (teknon the church) the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne. Quote In order for September 23rd to “usher in the Second Coming”, you would have to cram into Somebody should tell that guy on the website that the rapture and the second coming are 7 years apart. Quote For example, the Scripture quoted at the top of this article takes place in the time of Jacob’s trouble after the Rapture of the Church. Doctrinally, it cannot be applied to the Church at all. Somebody should tell that guy on the website that the word "harpazo" and "teknon" is only meant for the church and is in Rev 12:5 Quote “And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:” What is that a reference to? It is a direct reference to Joseph’s dream in Genesis 37 where he dreamed the following – No, that's wrong. Rev 12:1-5 sign is future, not past. Rev 12:1-5 only occurs once in Stellarium in 7,000 years, on 9/23/17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 5 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said: Inaugurated, as in put life into it? Doesn't life begin at conception? No, Inauguration as in "institute." The Church is God's second institution, after the family. Inaugurate means to mark the public institution of a policy or organization. Quote The church came out of Israel brother. That's where it all began, in Israel. The Church did not come out of Israel. The Church is not continuation of Israel. The Church start IN Israel, but it is NOT from Israel. Quote Similar to how Isa 26:18 is giving birth to the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God. He was never "given birth." He has always existed. You are really engaging in false teaching and extremely sloppy handling of Scripture. Quote Ephrath or Ephrathah: an Israelite woman, also the name of several places in Palestine Original Word: אֶפְרָת Part of Speech: proper name; proper name, of a location; proper name, feminine I am a student of the Hebrew language. In Hebrew, "feminine" has nothing to do with being female. In Hebrew feminine and masculine do not necessarily correlate to being male or female. That's because in Hebrew there is no neuter. Rocks and trees, tables and chairs and any other inanimate object is either masculine or feminine. So while Ephratah is a feminine word, it is not referencing woman. It is referencing a geographical location. You don't know what you're talking about, and it really shows in your false teaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 6 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said: That's right, and the birth in Rev 12:5 is for the body, since it's been in gestation for 2,000 years. No, Rev. 12:5 is a reference to birth of Jesus and nothing else regarding "birth." You are trying to twist the Scriptures in order to justify your disobedience to Christ, in calling him a liar. I am not going to buy into your false teaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiChristian Posted September 19, 2017 Group: Members * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 176 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 870 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/23/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/22/1968 Share Posted September 19, 2017 who prophesied this date? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted September 19, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.21 Reputation: 11,243 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 19, 2017 49 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: I am a student of the Hebrew language. In Hebrew, "feminine" has nothing to do with being female. In Hebrew feminine and masculine do not necessarily correlate to being male or female. That's because in Hebrew there is no neuter. Rocks and trees, tables and chairs and any other inanimate object is either masculine or feminine. So while Ephratah is a feminine word, it is not referencing woman. It is referencing a geographical location. You don't know what you're talking about, and it really shows in your false teaching. I want to add to this. English is one of the very few languages that does not have words as masculine, feminine. English is only neutral gender. Many languages including ones most know like german and french have masculine, feminine and neutral gender words. They have nothing to do with real gender but have to do with words that proceed them like "the" and "a". For instance, in french, masculine is le, and un. Feminine is la and une (for the and a). Thats it. It is sometimes difficult for folks who have never had a foreign langauge to grasp because english doesnt do this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 5 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said: Where is the church? In Rev 12:4 and also Rev 12:5, teknon.. Rev 12:1-5 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman (Israel) clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She (Israel) was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon (Satan) with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon (Satan) stood in front of the woman (Israel) who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child (teknon the church) the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son (huios Jesus Christ himself), a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child (teknon the church) was snatched up (harpazo) to God and to his throne. You are trying to pencil the church into a passage that has nothing to do with the church. The church is already out of picture in Revelation 12. And to try and force teknon to mean church only further demonstrates that you are a false teacher. Cults and false teachers are always applying meanings to biblical words that are invalid, as you are doing here. The church is not the child of Israel and you have no biblical support for that. You are twisting Scripture and all true Christians are well advised to avoid listening to you. Quote Somebody should tell that guy on the website that the rapture and the second coming are 7 years apart. yes, and that is his point. That's why sept. 23 isn't the return of Jesus. Quote Somebody should tell that guy on the website that the word "harpazo" and "teknon" is only meant for the church and is in Rev 12:5 No, no one needs to tell him that. someone needs to better instruct you on what Rev. 12:5 really says, because you are twisting it. Quote No, that's wrong. Rev 12:1-5 sign is future, not past. Rev 12:1-5 only occurs once in Stellarium in 7,000 years, on 9/23/17. No, he is correct. And 9/23/17 will come and go and nothing will happen. And false teachers will be exposed for what they are on 9/24/17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel 11:36 Posted September 19, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted September 19, 2017 Revelation 12 is about the Lord, Israel, and the devil .... the is no inclusion of the "church" Those who do it are false teachers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exrockstar Posted September 19, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,673 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 111 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/21/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted September 19, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, shiloh357 said: No, that is not true. The Church was came into existence on Pentecost and Israel was not the mother of the Church. The Church has no mother. The Church is Jesus' building, not Israel's child. I recently (yesterday) heard that the church was conceived on Pentecost and will be "born" during tribulation. That's a pretty ridiculous claim. That would mean the bride is an infant. Unforunately there were plenty of "Amen's" in that Youtube video. -Rev Edited September 19, 2017 by exrockstar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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