One will be taken away, the other left

[kenny2212]

6 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Do you think the verse deals with the pretribulation rapture of the Church or the second coming of Christ?

It happens before the rapture.

[missmuffet]

51 minutes ago, kenny2212 said:

7 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Do you think the verse deals with the pretribulation rapture of the Church or the second coming of Christ?

It happens before the rapture.

There is debate on that in the Christian community. Some say it is a verse pertaining to the rapture of the Church and some say it is a very pertaining to the second coming. I say it is the second coming.

[Guest]

The “Taken and Left” passage is about God’s wrath.

The “Sheep and Goats” parable is one of three parables that Jesus told which all describe the same thing. (The “Separating the Fish” parable and the “Separating the Wheat and Tares” parable. These are all three about the final judgement.

[Sister]

On 10/29/2017 at 2:55 AM, kenny2212 said:

Jesus said that at his second coming one person will be taken away, the other left.

Greetings to you Kenny2212

 1 Thessalonians 4:17   Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

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I want to say first of all that those taken do not remain in this dimension.

Those alive, who remain in the Lord are "taken" to meet the Lord in the air.

 

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If they remain, their taking wouldn't be different from a kidnapping. But this isn't a kidnapping, it's Christ's second coming.

It's the promise Christ made to his saints.  The dead in Christ will be resurrected, and those who are alive and remain will be "quickened",...and "together" they will meet the Lord in the air.

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What about Christ's statement that "where the body is, the vultures gather"? This simply means the spiritually dead are known. Just as the angel of death knew the firstborn sons of the Egyptians, the spiritually dead are known.

There is going to be a lot of death on the day they war the Lamb.  God has provided a feast for the fowls of the air to eat the dead bodies of all those involved in that war.

 Revelation 19:17   And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

  Revelation 19:18   That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

  Revelation 19:19   And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

 

They are not all just spiritually dead, but will soon also be physically dead!  Christ is calling the wild birds to come, because there will be alot of food for you soon.
 

 

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It is the wicked who are taken, not the righteous. Christ likens his second coming to the times of Noah and Lot. I'm sure we all know that those times it was the wicked who were taken.

Their bodies will not be taken, but left to rot in that great valley called Jehoshaphat.

Joel 3:11   Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.

Joel 3:12   Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.

Joel 3:13   Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.

Their blood will come up to a horses bridle.  This valley will be full of the dead, this is the winepress from that war, and all the eagles will have ample food to feast on.

 

And all the dead bodies throughout the nations who were not assembled in that valley outside Jerusalem, will not receive a burial,...will not be taken away, but left to rot.

Jeremiah 25:33   And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground.

So I hope that you can see that only the righteous will be taken, not the wicked.  They will all meet the Lord in the air, then Christ will judge all the nations with his saints by his side.

Those who were left alive, and remain until the day of his Coming, are in my opinion, only the 144K.  Them who are sealed.  Those who follow the Lamb wheresoever he goes.

Kenny, Christ is the Word of God.  If we are following the Word of God, we are following the truth whereever he goes.  Therefore the 144K are special because they are always in the Word, and the Word in them, therefore they are in Christ, and Christ in them and all in God.

 

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[Sister]

On 10/29/2017 at 5:30 AM, Daniel 11:36 said:

"Taken and left" refers to Israel, not today's saved

Jesus is speaking about Israel during the tribulation and some will be taken in judgment .... the others will be left to enter His millennial kingdom as mortals

2/3 rds of Israel will be taken [will die], but the other 1/3rd will be left [Zechariah 13:8-9]

The Lord's discourse relates to His national people of Israel during the time of Jacob's trouble

Daniel

There will also be gentiles who will be spared.

 Isaiah 2:2   And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

 Isaiah 2:3   And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Isaiah 2:4   And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. (for a thousand years)
 

[Daniel 11:36]

.... but this particular prophecy is about Israel .... not Gentiles

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[Sister]

On 11/24/2017 at 4:57 AM, Daniel 11:36 said:

.... but this particular prophecy is about Israel .... not Gentiles

Hi Daniel

Are you speaking to me?

What particular prophecy are you referring to?

[Sister]

Hello everyone

Something interesting here.

Luke 17:34   I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

Luke 17:35   Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Luke 17:36   Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Luke 17:37   And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

The apostles are curious in verse 37, asking Jesus Where Lord?, Where will they be taken?

Jesus answers "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together".

I kept thinking, what kind of an answer is this?  Why is Jesus answering them in riddles?  What does he mean?  We know where-ever evil is, the eagles will come to feed, but what's that got to do with where they will be taken?

And then it jumped out so clear to me.

I have mentioned on a few posts now, and will mention again;  Jesus will come in the clouds first.  He will "appear" during that great war where all the kings of the earth and nations are warring each other which happens at the 6th trumpet/6th vial.  This is what will cut that war short or else no flesh will be saved....the appearing.  But it is not clear to them who exactly is in the sky? All those soldiers will be rounded up together as one by the FP, the Beast and the Dragon and told to assemble at Megiddo and prepare to fight.  Next comes the last trumpet, (the 7th),...the dead in Christ will be resurrected to meet the Lord in the air, then those who are alive in Christ will be taken up also to meet.  All in Christ gathered together in the air.  Then Christ will descend on to the Mount of Olives with all his host to lure the armies to come in that direction - EAST of Jerusalem.  The evil will all be happening there, in that great valley, on that route which they come.  Christ calls the fowls of the air to come,...a great feast is being prepared for them...here....the FOCUS is on the Mount of Olives.

And this is where those who are "taken" will be...right there with Christ on the Mount of Olives.  Those taken will not be in heaven or anywhere else, but where the action will take place, on the earth.  That's where we will find them and that's what Christ was trying to say in a riddle.

I hope you enjoyed this, because the picture is getting clearer and clearer.

God bless.

 

 

 

[Psalms37:4]

3 hours ago, Sister said:

Luke 17:37   And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

The apostles are curious in verse 37, asking Jesus Where Lord?, Where will they be taken?

Jesus answers "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together".

I kept thinking, what kind of an answer is this?  Why is Jesus answering them in riddles?  What does he mean?  We know where-ever evil is, the eagles will come to feed, but what's that got to do with where they will be taken?

Hi Sister,

This will make more sense to readers. Luke 17 and the days of Lot is a prophecy about the Abomination of Desolation. The prophetic warning Jesus gave to those living in Judea to flee to the mountains when they see the AoD. It's comparable to what happened to Lot after he fled the city, Sodom was later destroyed by fire from above. That's why in Luke 17:37, Christ said the vultures will be were the corpses are. Those who didn't flee Judea in time will die.

The days of Noah in Matthew 24 is the rapture of the church. In Matthew 24, He described His coming for the church at a time when everyone on earth will be conducting normal daily routine activities. 

However you'll noticed He starts off Luke 17 saying the people here are living like those in the days of Noah as they will also be doing normal daily routine activities. It's because the AoD takes place in Israel during the middle of the tribulation. Israel is at peace during the first half living safely without enduring God's wrath.

So when Israel's tribulation begins, it'll be like what happened when Lot fled the city and Sodom was later destroyed. Jerusalem will be destroyed at the AoD.

 

Luke 17:26-29 New King James Version (NKJV)

²⁶ And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: ²⁷ They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. ²⁸ Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; ²⁹ but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all.

 

So in summary, the Days of Noah is the rapture, and the start of the tribulation for the world. The Days of Lot is the Abomination of Desolation, and the start of the tribulation for Israel.

 

 

[Justin Adams]

I have my brain befuddled again over this stuff. Is it possible to put this in time-line form. One or more vertical lines? Sometimes, from what I vaguely understand there are simultaneous things happening - so maybe two or more vertical time-lines might be helpful for visual persons. Thanks