I Thes 5:22

[Guest Butero]

3 minutes ago, simplejeff said:

Does it matter how old a person is,  how long they have been deceived,  and if they are taking mind changing medications or other drugs ?   There's no clear way to clarify this online, is there ?

Not really.  I don't know what is going on with this individual.  He comes out and says things, and then acts like he never did to the point of demanding proof.  You give him proof and he generally ignores it.  I don't know if it is forgetfulness or he thinks others forgot what he said or they are unable to use the quote function.  

I could be wrong, but I almost think that the answers he is giving are coming from web-sites, possibly Catholic apologetics, and when what he says can be easily proven wrong, he loses it, and just repeats the same mess over and over again like it was never shown to be wrong.  

[Dennis1209]

On 11/3/2017 at 8:41 AM, Davida said:

Writing off the KJ is usually the tip of the iceberg, we see it in the new translations. It's a way to slice off the edges of God's convicting scripture to make it more palatable for the modern lifestyle, but that is the opposite of what we are supposed to be doing.  

The Bible is the best selling Book of all time, I suppose it generates big bucks in sales. I don't know this to be true and never researched it, but I heard and notice the underlined word 'heard', that a new translation of the Bible had to be at least 15% different in order to satisfy copyright laws? Anyone know if there's any truth to that?

[Heleadethme]

4 hours ago, Butero said:

First of all, thank you for taking the time to look that up in the Greek.  My Greek Dictionary is at home, and I planned to look it up on the weekend, but you saved me the trouble.  When you are doing a translation, you are supposed to use the English word that corresponds to the original language, and clearly the KJV translators did just that, so no, it was not a mistake.  Using the right word according to the definition is not a mistake.

I do understand what you are saying, but I don't necessarily believe that Jesus didn't concern himself with how something appears.  He never said that was the case.  He was leading by example.  He is the great "I Am" according to his own mouth, which means he was the author of the law of Moses.  He knew what the laws really meant, as opposed to how they appeared to the religious leaders.  Following the law according to original intent is not the appearance of evil, unless a person hates God's laws and sees them as being evil.  As such, I don't believe Jesus would have violated that instruction.  To me, it simply means we are to be careful to avoid doing things that will harm our testimony.  I realize some people will look at this different and it will cause one person to act one way and another in a different manner, but we all have our conscience before God, and we know what this means to us, plus we have the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth.  

I do want to say one more thing about this thread.  It should be very instructional.  I have been warning people all along that the real deception behind the modern English translations is how one can claim to believe the Bible is the Word of God, yet disregard things they don't like by translation shopping.  What happened here?  

1.  In another thread, it was debated that we shouldn't do things that have an appearance of evil.

2.  One person objected to that idea, so he looked to different translations to see how they were worded. (translation shopping)

3.  He found that other translations didn't say things the same way, so now he could openly claim the KJV Bible was wrong and we don't have to shun the appearance of evil, making the command of God of none effect.  

This goes on all the time today.  This is a major reason I hold to one translation as being full reliable, the KJV Bible.  Whatever it says I fully trust.  If it disagrees with modern translations, I go with the KJV Bible every single time, no exceptions.  

Butero and Shiloh........I didn't word that quite properly........didn't really mean that Jesus NEVER concerned Himself with outward appearance, that is not precise....what I meant was that He didn't hold himself to a rule to never appear to others to be doing evil.  What He did do was to do what He saw the Father doing, ie, followed and obeyed the Holy Spirit even if it did (which it often did) make Him appear to others to be doing wrong.  Examples were given and there are many more.......goodness He even appeared to be mentally ill (a sign of judgment under the Law).  Anyhow, bless you all, I'll leave it there.

[Heleadethme]

2 hours ago, OldSchool2 said:

Tell that to the Orthodox Churches, or are you an iconoclast?

OldSchool, I'll be glad to tell it to anyone.........we are here to bring glory to God alone, not to ourselves.  Not in life and not in death.

[Guest shiloh357]

1 minute ago, Heleadethme said:

Butero and Shiloh........I didn't word that quite properly........didn't really mean that Jesus NEVER concerned Himself with outward appearance, that is not precise....what I meant was that He didn't hold himself to a rule to never appear to others to be doing evil.  What He did do was to do what He saw the Father doing, ie, followed and obeyed the Holy Spirit even if it did (which it often did) make Him appear to others to be doing wrong.  Examples were given and there are many more.......goodness He even appeared to be mentally ill (a sign of judgment under the Law).  Anyhow, bless you all, I'll leave it there.

Which only backs up my point that Jesus never took on the appearance of evil from the standpoint of the Scripture's definition of what moral evil is.

There is no way on earth that you can prevent people from spinning something, anything to smear you.  But what the Bible is saying is that we should avoid or abstain from even the appearance of anything that God might find detestable.

[Heleadethme]

11 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Which only backs up my point that Jesus never took on the appearance of evil from the standpoint of the Scripture's definition of what moral evil is.

There is no way on earth that you can prevent people from spinning something, anything to smear you.  But what the Bible is saying is that we should avoid or abstain from even the appearance of anything that God might find detestable.

Brother, it would be good if we could all agree that Jesus always obeyed the Holy Spirit without hesitating or disobeying because of how it would look to others, and that of course we should follow His example.

[Guest shiloh357]

3 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

Brother, it would be good if we could all agree that Jesus always obeyed the Holy Spirit without hesitating or disobeying because of how it would look to others, and that of course we should follow His example.

I am making that distinction.  The word for "evil" in I Thess 5:22 pertains to how God defines "evil."  So we are to avoid what appears evil to God.   There is no way we can control how others perceive us.   Jesus never took on the appearance of evil in terms of what appears evil to God.   The standard of Scripture is what Jesus lived by.  That is what we need to agree on.

[simplejeff]

22 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

Brother, it would be good if we could all agree that Jesus always obeyed the Holy Spirit without hesitating or disobeying because of how it would look to others, and that of course we should follow His example.

Who did I ask earlier what Bible they read  ? ( I honestly don't remember).

Anyway,  the point is this:  in any and every translation,  for 'research'/proving God's Word,

look up all the instances of the word "obey". (and others related if desired)

It is not what you think, or as you think,  I think....

 

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 hour ago, shiloh357 said:

Which only backs up my point that Jesus never took on the appearance of evil from the standpoint of the Scripture's definition of what moral evil is.

There is no way on earth that you can prevent people from spinning something, anything to smear you.  But what the Bible is saying is that we should avoid or abstain from even the appearance of anything that God might find detestable.

She knows .  Be blessed Shiloh.  and praise the Lord.

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 hour ago, shiloh357 said:

I am making that distinction.  The word for "evil" in I Thess 5:22 pertains to how God defines "evil."  So we are to avoid what appears evil to God.   There is no way we can control how others perceive us.   Jesus never took on the appearance of evil in terms of what appears evil to God.   The standard of Scripture is what Jesus lived by.  That is what we need to agree on.

Shiloh we luv ya   we know.