The invasion of gog.

[other one]

New Jerusalem does not come until the earth and everything in it is destroyed.  

[missmuffet]

3 minutes ago, other one said:

New Jerusalem does not come until the earth and everything in it is destroyed.  

That sure is what Revelation tells me.

[Dennis1209]

5 hours ago, Rick_Parker said:

I believe the redeemed and perfected Church will be able to travel between the New Jerusalem and Earth.

Yep! My understanding is our eternal home will be the New Jerusalem and Earth. I'm hoping our Lord will grant us a vacation to explore all His glorious creation and Heaven.

Edited November 30, 2017 by Dennis1209

[Shilohsfoal]

20 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Question: "What are Gog and Magog?"

Answer: Historically speaking, Magog was a grandson of Noah (Genesis 10:2). The descendants of Magog settled to the far north of Israel, likely in Europe and northern Asia (Ezekiel 38:2). Magog seems to be used to refer to "northern barbarians" in general, but likely also has a connection to Magog the person. The people of Magog are described as skilled warriors (Ezekiel 38:15; 39:3-9).

Gog and Magog are referred to in Ezekiel 38-39 and in Revelation 20:7-8. While these two instances carry the same names, a close study of Scripture clearly demonstrates they do not refer to the same people and events. In Ezekiel’s prophecy, Gog will be the leader of a great army that attacks the land of Israel. Gog is described as “of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal” (Ezekiel 38:2-3). Ezekiel's battle of Gog and Magog occurs in the tribulation period, more specifically in the first 3 1/2 years. The strongest evidence for this view is that the attack will come when Israel is at peace (Ezekiel 38:8, 11). The description from Ezekiel is that of a nation that has security and has laid down its defenses. Israel is definitely not at peace now, and it is inconceivable that the nation would lay down its defenses apart from some major event. When Israel's covenant with the Beast/Antichrist is in effect at the beginning of Daniel's 70th Week (also known as the 7-year tribulation, Daniel 9:27a), Israel will be at peace. Possibly the battle will occur just before the midpoint of the seven-year period. According to Ezekiel, Gog will be defeated by God Himself on the mountains of Israel. The slaughter will be so great it will take seven months to bury all of the dead (Ezekiel 39:11-12).

Gog and Magog are mentioned again in Revelation 20:7-8. The duplicated use of the names Gog and Magog in Revelation 20:8-9 is to show that these people demonstrate the same rebellion against God and antagonism toward God as those in Ezekiel 38-39. It is similar to someone today calling a person "the devil" because he or she is sinful and evil. We know that person is not really Satan, but because that person shares similar characteristics, he or she might be referred to as "the devil."

The book of Revelation uses Ezekiel's prophecy about Magog to portray a final end-times attack on the nation of Israel (Revelation 20:8-9). The result of this battle is that all are destroyed, and Satan will find his final place in the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10).

It is important to recognize that the Gog and Magog of Ezekiel 38-39 is quite different from the one in Revelation 20:7-8. Below are some of the more obvious reasons why these refer to different people and battles.

1. In the battle of Ezekiel 38-39, the armies come primarily from the north and involve only a few nations of the earth (Ezekiel 38:6, 15; 39:2). The battle in Revelation 20:7-9 will involve all nations, so armies will come from all directions, not just from the north.

2. There is no mention of Satan in the context of Ezekiel 38-39. In Revelation 20:7 the context clearly places the battle at the end of the millennium with Satan as the primary character.

3. Ezekiel 39:11-12 states that the dead will be buried for seven months. There would be no need to bury the dead if the battle in Ezekiel 38-39 is the one described in Revelation 20:8-9, for immediately following Revelation 20:8-9 is the Great White Throne judgment (20:11-15) and then the current or present heaven and earth are destroyed, replaced by a new heaven and earth (Revelation 21:1). There obviously will be a need to bury the dead if the battle takes place in the early part of the tribulation, for the land of Israel will be occupied for another 1,000 years, the length of the millennial kingdom (Revelation 20:4-6).

4. The battle in Ezekiel 38-39 is used by God to bring Israel back to Him (Ezekiel 39:21-29). In Revelation 20, Israel has been faithful to God for 1,000 years (the millennial kingdom). Those in Revelation 20:7-10 who are rebellious are destroyed without any more opportunity for repentance.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Gog-Magog.html

So you believe the book of revelations does not contain gogs invasion of Israel at all.What reason,would God have left such information out of the book of revelation?

Or could it be that he actually did put that infomation in the book of revelation but the scholars you are being led by simplest can't believe God?

 

Ps,the first time God destroyed the earth it was by water.

The bible teaches next time it will be by fire.How does it say gog is destryed in,Ezekiel?

http://biblehub.com/ezekiel/39-6.htm

Why would they need to burry the bones in ezekiel if God destroys Gog with fire?

Well same thing happens in revelation but you say they won't have to burry any bones???

http://biblehub.com/revelation/20-9.htm

Sure looks the same to me

 

Edited December 1, 2017 by Shilohsfoal

[Shilohsfoal]

9 hours ago, Rick_Parker said:

Incorrect. The Raptured Saints will dwell in the New Jerusalem, Not in Israel. That is what the Bible tells us, not what some human being interprets It to say.

Where does the bible say the raptured saints dwell in New Jerusalem?

Can you give is the verse that contains this information so we can examine it?

[missmuffet]

46 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

So you believe the book of revelations does not contain gogs invasion of Israel at all.What reason,would God have left such information out of the book of revelation?

Or could it be that he actually did put that infomation in the book of revelation but the scholars you are being led by simplest can't believe God?

 

Ps,the first time God destroyed the earth it was by water.

The bible teaches next time it will be by fire.How does it say gog is destryed in,Ezekiel?

http://biblehub.com/ezekiel/39-6.htm

Why would they need to burry the bones in ezekiel if God destroys Gog with fire?

Well same thing happens in revelation but you say they won't have to burry any bones???

http://biblehub.com/revelation/20-9.htm

Sure looks the same to me

 

I believe there is a lot of scripture that goes with "got questions" explanation of the two Gog Magog's.

[Shilohsfoal]

14 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

I believe there is a lot of scripture that goes with "got questions" explanation of the two Gog Magog's.

Well there is also the bible.What does ezekiel,say happens after Gog is destroyed and the bodies are buried?What did he write about next?

Edited December 1, 2017 by Shilohsfoal

[Shilohsfoal]

6 minutes ago, Rick_Parker said:

OMG!! ➿ Have you even read the New Testament? I’m done wasting my time. Figure it out.

I've memorized almost all of the new testament.

You said it was in the bible so I asked you where because I knew there was no such verse.

I received the type of answer I was expecting.

 

[missmuffet]

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Where does the bible say the raptured saints dwell in New Jerusalem?

Can you give is the verse that contains this information so we can examine it?

I am not Rick but the New Jerusalem is the Eternal State. It will be filled with God's redeemed children.

2 Peter 3:12-13

Revelation 21:3

Revelation 22:3

[Sister]

9 hours ago, Rick_Parker said:

Not what the Scripture says. According to the dimensions given, the New Jerusalem would be too large to sit upon the Earth and will float above the Earth, giving it it's Light from the Glory of the Lord. The New Jerusalem will provide light for Earth during the Millennium (Rev. 21:23-24). The Bible does not give us any detail about the eternity which will follow, so we’ll have to wait and see.

I believe the redeemed and perfected Church will be able to travel between the New Jerusalem and Earth.

Hi Rick

Thank you. 

I should of been more specific.  "New Jerusalem" is the name after the earth is melted and renewed.  So after the 1000 yrs, after the Gog and Magog war, after the White-throne Judgment and the 2nd resurrection, when all evil is thrown into the lake of fire and no more.  What we have here is all the saints from the 1st and 2nd resurrection standing as one.

 Revelation 21:1   And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

  Revelation 21:2   And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

  Revelation 21:3   And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

 

So, when we are referring to the 1000 yr millennium, it would be more accurate to call it "Holy Jerusalem" for that time period, and differentiate like God did.

Your other point quoted above, is very interesting what you said, and I will discuss this with you later today after I look into something else first.