I think in this day in age we are to far from the earth

[Jaydog1976]

24 minutes ago, TheMatrixHasU71 said:

Its irrelevant that they didnt know. God did and that is what matters. I dont know what you have got going in your head regarding nudity but I suggest that you clean your mind out. 

I second this motion. 

[john1]

2 minutes ago, Jaydog1976 said:

I think this whole post is on the very verge of going into the gutter

I don't have anyway of deleting it.

Look at what Israel did to Judah.

2 chronicles chapter 28

¹⁴ So the soldiers gave up the prisoners and plunder in the presence of the officials and all the assembly. ¹⁵ The men designated by name took the prisoners, and from the plunder they clothed all who were naked. They provided them with clothes and sandals, food and drink, and healing balm. All those who were weak they put on donkeys. So they took them back to their fellow Israelites at Jericho, the City of Palms, and returned to Samaria.

 

 

I'm not trying to pretend I'm anything I'm not.

Here's the purpose of the law, no one ever obeyed it.

 

1 Timothy chapter 1 verse7, 8

They want to be teachers of the law but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.

We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.

Galatians chapter 3 verses 24,25,23

So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed.

 

[HisFirst]

6 hours ago, TheMatrixHasU71 said:

The problem here though is that houses in those days often didnt have roofs. They may have covered the roof with cloths or whatever during the rains but otherwise the roofs were usually open.Bathsheba did bathe naked. That wouldnt normally be a problem with an open roof if the next house over wasnt high enough for people to be able to see in but David could.

And if she knew about it she committed sin as well. How do you think David fell in lust for her. She probably was gorgeous naked.

From memory, I'm certain it doesn't say she was naked. It just mentions that she was bathing.

David's abode would have been of better quality than the average person and I'd say his building was higher.

I'm certain that Bathsheba would not have made herself vulnerable in a private moment by bathing naked in view of others, whether on a flat roof or in a room near an uncurtained window. 

I think she would have had some cloth covering her body while sponging down.

Women in the Victorian era were covered up from neck to ankle but were still lusted over - its the imagination that runs riot.

 

[Jayne]

*le sigh* 

Point #1 - Exodus 14 and Deuteronomy 23 have absolutely nothing to do with one another.  

• Exodus 14 gives the number of Israelites leaving Egypt.
• Deuteronomy 23:13 is a command to the men of the military of Israel when they go out from the people to fight the enemy.  God wanted them to leave the camp if they had an unclean issue in the night and to use the bathroom outside the military camp because as God says, "When the army goes out against your enemies, then keep yourself from every wicked thing. If there is any man among you who becomes unclean by some occurrence in the night, then he shall go outside the camp; he shall not come inside the camp. But it shall be, when evening comes, that he shall wash with water; and when the sun sets, he may come into the camp. Also you shall have a place outside the camp, where you may go out; and you shall have an implement among your equipment, and when you sit down outside, you shall dig with it and turn and cover your refuse. For the LORD your God walks in the midst of your camp, to deliver you and give your enemies over to you; therefore your camp shall be holy, that He may see no unclean thing among you, and turn away from you."

 

Point #2/3 - Bathsheba was not seductress bathing nude for David to gawk at.  Read all of 2 Samuel 11.  David's problems didn't start when he saw Bathsheba, they started when he wasn't where he was supposed to be.  The Bible says that Bathsheba was performing her purification ritual.  She was following religious law as ordained by God to purify herself after her menstrual cycle.  Women, even today, do not always bathe nude in many cultures across the world - for those who have communal baths or pools.  Bathsheba nor the Samaritan harlots would have been necessarily nude in a bathing pool.

 

Please don't make something dirty of the Bible when it is not there.

 

 

Edited December 31, 2017 by Jayne

[HisFirst]

2 hours ago, Jayne said:

  

Pleas don't make something dirty of the Bible when it is not there.

 

 

I hope this remark wasn't intended for me.

Its quite rude.

 

What I stated had nothing to do with dirtiness.

 

Regardless of whether David was at a place he shouldn't have been - the fact is he watched another man's wife take her bath.(I know he repented which was a good thing.)

My comment  was not about that fact though -  I originally made the comment about  her not being entirely naked as she bathed, which I had stated, some cultures do that (women) to retain their modesty.

 

 

 

 

[Logan]

On 12/29/2017 at 4:38 PM, john1 said:

Exodus chapter 12 verse 37

The Israelites journeyed from Rameses to Sukkoth. There were about six hundred thousand men on foot, besides women and children.

 

Deuteronomy chapter 23 verse13

As part of your equipment have something to dig with, and when you relieve yourself, dig a hole and cover up your excrement.

 

This just shows that nudity was a common thing in Israel, they didn't have out houses, and they also had to bath, so they bathed where ever there was water.

 

2 Samuel chapter 11 verse 2

One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful,

1 Kings chapter 22 verse 38

They washed the chariot at a pool in Samaria (where the prostitutes bathed), and the dogs licked up his blood, as the word of the LORD had declared.
 

 

Now we have peeping toms and all sorts of other problems, because of it.

If you want to run around naked...that's your issue. Don't try to twist scripture to get the rest of us to run around with you. I'd also like to point out...the first thing God did after Adam  and Eve sinned was to give them clothes. We live in a fallen world now...cover it up.

[Jayne]

1 hour ago, HisFirst said:

I hope this remark wasn't intended for me.

Its quite rude.

 

What I stated had nothing to do with dirtiness.

 

Regardless of whether David was at a place he shouldn't have been - the fact is he watched another man's wife take her bath.(I know he repented which was a good thing.)

My comment  was not about that fact though -  I originally made the comment about  her not being entirely naked as she bathed, which I had stated, some cultures do that (women) to retain their modesty.

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure I even read your post.  I was addressing the OP.

[HisFirst]

Just now, Jayne said:

I'm not sure I even read your post.  I was addressing the OP.

Ok, I apologise.

[Jayne]

55 minutes ago, HisFirst said:

Ok, I apologise.

No problem, I should have specified.

[HisFirst]

2 hours ago, Jayne said:

No problem, I should have specified.

Its all good