Steve_K Posted January 17, 2018 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 7 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 220 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 215 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/04/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2018 MATTHEW 5:31 “It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.' 32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery." My wife left me without warning in July, 2016 to go commit adultery with her ex husband. She was unrepentant and still is. I spoke to my Pastor about divorce, and he said I had a solid, biblical reason according to this passage from Matthew. I am free to remarry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted January 17, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 minute ago, ScottA said: You apparently have an ax to grind about gays...'cause you are not listening, and you're just ranting. First you say we can eat with sinners, then you say we can't (above). As such, you are not to be taken serious. You're missing the point - when Jesus spoke with anyone He directed them TOWARDS, as in turn to, YHWH, and did not ever APPROVE of sin, never. When Jesus ate with people (obviously sinners), He brought the Father's Shalom to the house , and if they received Him the shalom remained, and they would turn from their sin, NOT continue in their sin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaydog1976 Posted January 17, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 12 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 626 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 360 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/24/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2018 On 1/15/2018 at 9:53 PM, missmuffet said: Exactly we are all sinners. But we do not sin deliberately. But going to that wedding is not a huge sin in my opinion. We have to decide whether going to a wedding ceremony supports the couple or not. To me going to a wedding where I know that the couple is willfully sinning would be me saying that I support what they are doing. I think we have to think about that. If you know they are willfully going against God's Word would you congratulate them on their marriage? Some things to think about. And remember that sin isn't what we decided what is wrong but sin is what God has said is wrong. So we have to decide what is important: our feelings and opinions or God's feelings and opinions. On 1/15/2018 at 9:53 PM, missmuffet said: What if a child gets into a homosexual relationship and gets married? What if a child is an atheist and gets married? Would you attend the wedding? As far as the homosexual relationship I still couldn't attend even if it was my own child because they are living in sin and me going would be saying I am OK with this arrangement. As far as if they are an atheist as long as the wedding is not in contrary to God's Word I would attend. And atheist can marry and still be within the bounds of God's Word even if he/she doesn't believe God exists. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angels4u Posted January 17, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 56 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,764 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 12,164 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Steve_K said: MATTHEW 5:31 “It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.' 32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery." My wife left me without warning in July, 2016 to go commit adultery with her ex husband. She was unrepentant and still is. I spoke to my Pastor about divorce, and he said I had a solid, biblical reason according to this passage from Matthew. I am free to remarry. I believe you're free to remarry too Steve ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted January 17, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.33 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted January 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, ScottA said: You apparently have an ax to grind about gays...'cause you are not listening, and you're just ranting. First you say we can eat with sinners, then you say we can't (above). As such, you are not to be taken serious. Actually the ax to grind is more so not against the ungodly who know not GOD its against the false shepards who lie to the flocks . My problem is not with gays , sinners ITS with false doctrine and false prophets. Not accusing you of this. But I got no problems saying it . I have witnessed to gays , some , not many but some. All one can do is speak as the SPIRIT leads. My problem is not with sinners who don't claim to know God, though I do witness to those. ITS with sorry false doctrine that allows JESUS sayings to be twisted . that is honestly it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angels4u Posted January 17, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 56 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,764 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 12,164 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jaydog1976 said: We have to decide whether going to a wedding ceremony supports the couple or not. To me going to a wedding where I know that the couple is willfully sinning would be me saying that I support what they are doing. I think we have to think about that. If you know they are willfully going against God's Word would you congratulate them on their marriage? Some things to think about. And remember that sin isn't what we decided what is wrong but sin is what God has said is wrong. So we have to decide what is important: our feelings and opinions or God's feelings and opinions. As far as the homosexual relationship I still couldn't attend even if it was my own child because they are living in sin and me going would be saying I am OK with this arrangement. As far as if they are an atheist as long as the wedding is not in contrary to God's Word I would attend. And atheist can marry and still be within the bounds of God's Word even if he/she doesn't believe God exists. I wouldn't be able to support their marriage either ,even if it was my own child It is a sin and we know how God looks at homosexuality and adultery .. I would be praying ALOT! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_K Posted January 17, 2018 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 7 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 220 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 215 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/04/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2018 6 hours ago, angels4u said: I believe you're free to remarry too Steve ! TY Angels 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaydog1976 Posted January 17, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 12 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 626 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 360 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/24/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, angels4u said: I wouldn't be able to support their marriage either ,even if it was my own child It is a sin and we know how God looks at homosexuality and adultery .. I would be praying ALOT! Angels you and me both. It would be so hard though. The Sunday school answer would be to give them over to God but my mind would say something completely different. I pray for my children every day that they will walk with the Lord and do what He says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottA Posted January 17, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 552 Content Per Day: 0.21 Reputation: 104 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/24/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, simplejeff said: You're missing the point - when Jesus spoke with anyone He directed them TOWARDS, as in turn to, YHWH, and did not ever APPROVE of sin, never. When Jesus ate with people (obviously sinners), He brought the Father's Shalom to the house , and if they received Him the shalom remained, and they would turn from their sin, NOT continue in their sin. No...I am not missing the point. And you can't know that Jesus ALWAYS ate with those at peace with God, so just saying it is a sin on your part. But regardless, this is a fallen world - Christ came into the world and "took on" sin - not because He supported it, but because He did not. And if we do like wise, meaning, go into the world with out taking part of the sin, but in an effort to bring salvation, we too are not sinning. As that pertains to gays, a Christian does not go to a gay wedding to support their sin, but because we love sinners, just as Christ did. And if we go, we bring Christ with us, and yes, He (and we) are either received or not. But whether or not we are received is not an indication of our supporting sin or not. Nonetheless, we are the light of the world that shines into darkness, that some may be saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaydog1976 Posted January 17, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 12 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 626 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 360 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/24/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, angels4u said: I believe you're free to remarry too Steve ! But Luke 16:18 says ""Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery." And Paul also says in I Corinthians 7:11 "(but if she does, hshe should remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband), and the husband should not divorce his wife." However if the couple does marry then they need to stay married. God can forgive sin but it should be an excuse to willfully sin in this area. Yes there is grounds for divorce but those grounds do not necessarily give one the right to remarry. Please read what God says about remarriage and don't just gloss over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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