Christmas

[frienduff thaylorde]

35 minutes ago, Yowm said:

I think everyday has some sort of paganism tied to it...

Sunday (day of the sun)

 Monday (day of the moon)

Tuesday (Tyr's day)

Wednesday (Woden's day)

Thursday (Thor's day)

 Friday (Frigg's day)

 Saturday (Saturn's day) 

(for further detail... http://www.considerthis.net/Files/Textfile/paganweekdaynames.htm)

So what ya gonna do? Stay home because everyday has some paganism tied to it or go forth and speak light in the darkness?

 

SPEAK LIGHT into darkness and hopefully they hear and repent .     Go ye into all the world baptizing them in the name of the FATHER , the SON , and the Holy Ghost

TEACHING them to observe ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL things that I have commaned you.   ONWARD peoples , onward in the LORD.

[frienduff thaylorde]

16 minutes ago, CreationIsBeautiful said:

Yes, that was a bit over-the-top.  Many people that celebrate Christmas do not include Santa Claus in their traditions.

Yes, that is true.  but sadly they sure include covetousness and greed.     And that is a mock to the very one As they do it to honor Him.   Yeah.  let us ponder that for a second.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY JESUS as they greedily covet things .     My advice is we should celebrate it like this.

All about Christ,    give gifts to those who can not give you back.    Call the poor and have a meal and tell of the gospel of Christ .    And keep it that simple.  no need for trees

and pagan things.  Pagan traditions DONT HONOR CHRIST ..............they DISHONOR HIM.  so just keep it pure amen. 

[CreationIsBeautiful]

51 minutes ago, eileenhat said:

Never anymore will you see a TV program about Jesus in regards to Christmas.  Instead they are all about the magic of Satan, opps Santa.

 

Well, there is this . . .

[simplejeff]

32 minutes ago, Giller said:

You cannot mix the holy with the unholy, you cannot mix the pure with the unpure, and God cares about the name of Christ, but how much do we care about his name ?

There is so little, and so few holy,  it doesn't look like they will ever be mixed. 

[simplejeff]

38 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

TEACHING them to observe ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL things that I have commaned you.   ONWARD peoples , onward in the LORD.

Great in the Kingdom of Heaven !   YES !

[CreationIsBeautiful]

35 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

Yes, that is true.  but sadly they sure include covetousness and greed.     And that is a mock to the very one As they do it to honor Him.   Yeah.  let us ponder that for a second.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY JESUS as they greedily covet things .     My advice is we should celebrate it like this.

All about Christ,    give gifts to those who can not give you back.    Call the poor and have a meal and tell of the gospel of Christ .    And keep it that simple.  no need for trees

and pagan things.  Pagan traditions DONT HONOR CHRIST ..............they DISHONOR HIM.  so just keep it pure amen. 

This is true. I never get straight answers to this question because people point to those who call themselves Christians that practice the worldly aspects of the season. You have people (not many) that do not give gifts, decorate, erect trees, or any of that stuff.  However, they like to sing the hymns about Christ's birth, read the story of Jesus, and go sing for the old and sick. They have recognized the day, but do not engage in any of the things that people are condemning. Do I tell this person to stop because Christmas has pagan roots?

"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." -Romans 14:5

[Joulre2abba]

2 hours ago, CreationIsBeautiful said:

I once attended a church that chose not to celebrate Christmas due to the pagan roots of the tradition.  So I am well-versed in how Christmas festivities have pagan roots and the scriptures that tell us to put away such things.  However, I know sincere Christians that do practice Christmas.  Do you believe it is wrong for Christians to celebrate Christmas?  Does the dynamic change if Christmas is kept Christ-centric?

Celebrating Christmas is in recognition of the birth of Jesus the Savior and the wise men who gave gifts to him. Like the saying says "Jesus is the reason for the season."

Bringing a tree into one's home and decorating it and putting presents under it is not a pagan practice. Christians are not practicing a pagan thing by doing that. Anymore than a Christian has indoor plants in their house all year round.

The pine tree is selected because it's leaves remain green the year round. Any pagan comparison has nothing to do with it. Or shall we all stop using everything that pagans might use? Like clothing, vehicles, or such. After all, in accordance with the religious theory, when pagans use them it's therefore a pagan practice that Christians should avoid or be considered doing wrong or evil. So when taken to it's extreme, Christians buy "holy underwear" from factories owned by Christians.

The lines are distinctly drawn yet some religious beliefs seek to mingle the lines, muddy the water, create a grey area where there is none. Cause doubt or uncertainty and thereby convert the non-pagan practicing Christian away from a distinctly Christian celebration. (who can find a pagan use of the palm branch?.. well the unsaved Hawiians use it.. well then according to the religious theory, I guess that means that the Jews should never have used it then for their worship and praise of God because that just pollutes an otherwise sincere practice).

The use of a scripture from the old testament about pagans who decorate a tree is not even what it said or implied. But it's still erroneously applied to the Christmas tree.

That scripture states that the tree itself is worshiped as a deity by the pagans. It states that from that tree is carved their deity. So the tree is actually a wooden carving that looks like a man or animal or a hybrid that is decorated with silver necklace and earrings and dressed in the finest of clothing.

In stark contrast: Christians don't worship or bow down before or pray to the Christmas tree. They don't carve it into a representation of the God of the Bible. The first of the ten commandments prohibit such a thing. Although that is what the descendants of Israel fresh out of Egypt where idolatry was prevalent- did while Moses was in the mountain talking to God. But they didn't worship a similarity of the Christian Christmas tree.

There is a distinct difference there. So the purpose of the tree is based on the beliefs of the person. The tree itself and what is done to it is neutral. Therefore Christians do not engage in pagan practices. Therefore the festivities of Christmas are Christ-centered.

The belief that they are not godly in celebration, is due to a misapplication of scripture and therefore a misunderstanding of what is Christ-centered and what isn't.

 

[Justin Adams]

21 minutes ago, eileenhat said:

"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." -Romans 14:5

Posted by CreationisBeautiful, requoted here

Incidentally, this is still talking about food and fasting. It is often misquoted to support 'anything goes'.

(Matthew 7:1-6; Luke 6:37-42)

1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Edited January 16, 2018 by Justin Adams
requote

[Justin Adams]

28 minutes ago, Joulre2abba said:

The belief that they are not godly in celebration, is due to a misapplication of scripture and therefore a misunderstanding of what is Christ-centered and what isn't.

The 25th December is the SUN-god day that the romans used for their pantheistic friends.

The sun-day worship of the church is also roman in origin. No, it is not first century either, it is well documented so please do not trundle out the over used texts to refute this. Rome changed it and is proud of the fact the protestants followed their authority in the matter. They mock the protestants over this as well.

[simplejeff]

4 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

The 25th December is the SUN-god day that the romans used for their pantheistic friends.

The sun-day worship of the church is also roman in origin. No, it is not first century either, it is well documented so please do not trundle out the over used texts to refute this. Rome changed it and is proud of the fact the protestants followed their authority in the matter. They mock the protestants over this as well.

Well, many religions call their practices "godly", as their are many gods, right?  So yes,  the pagan xmas practices are "godly" in that respect,    just no one can say they were started by YHWH, Yeshua, nor the Apostles nor Scripture.