Unfruitful Christians

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 hour ago, Heleadethme said:

well I might not be giving it quite so much thought.......I just look at it that if I see a bus full of people going over a cliff......and I yell to the passengers  "that bus is going over the cliff....JUMP OUT NOW!" ......am I judging/condemning the bus or is that just a warning of the present reality.

SISTER what a truly wonderful example you just gave.   

Are we judging a child if we see them about to walk into the street and yell out STOP that this instant , that is dangerous action that can surely lead to your death .

AND IF MORTAL LIFE is enough to warn over

HOW BOUT WARNING out against those things which at its end will lead not to mortal death,  BUT DEATH OF THE SOUL.

THAT IS HIGHLY MORE IMPORTANT .      FOR to die is not what is scary ,   ITS WHAT COMES NEXT , IF WE HAD NOT JESUS NOR FOLLOWED HIM TO THE END.

ALL WILL STAND BEFORE HIM .   AND we know many who even said HIS NAME will be told I NEVER KNEW YOU.

SO our mission SHOULD be to be grave , compassionate , BUT DO ALL to pull any from error.    ITS that SERIOUS. 

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 hour ago, Heleadethme said:

well I might not be giving it quite so much thought.......I just look at it that if I see a bus full of people going over a cliff......and I yell to the passengers  "that bus is going over the cliff....JUMP OUT NOW!" ......am I judging/condemning the bus or is that just a warning of the present reality.

Here is a biblical saying that needs to get said again.    Those that sin , REBUKE before all,    WHY

SO OTHERS MAY FEAR .     YEAH ,   YEAH its that  serious .     Where have the grave ones went .     Most teach as though they know so much.

But any teacher should be grave.    I See many who do teach and yet not an ounce of gravity in them,  just go with the FLOW and don't dare cause anything

which would disrupt the status FLOW .     THEM are NO TEACHERS .      any seasoned leader would be all about the welfare of others of his flock

NOT HIS OWN PERSONAL HOW TO KEEP MY JOB SECURE and money coming in and just speak whatever sounds pleasing for that day and that time .

[OneLight]

2 hours ago, Heleadethme said:

well I might not be giving it quite so much thought.......I just look at it that if I see a bus full of people going over a cliff......and I yell to the passengers  "that bus is going over the cliff....JUMP OUT NOW!" ......am I judging/condemning the bus or is that just a warning of the present reality.

apples and oranges ... look, I am just trying to make it so it does not sound like every church is full of bad doctrine and false teachers, which they are not.   There is more than enough damage being done to Christians by non believers it bothers me to see believers doing the same damage also.  Speaking truth about a false teacher or false doctrine is important, but you don't say all US theology is bad or all doctrine followed in the US is bad.  Course not .. you would be more specific so people know exactly what you are talking about and why it is bad.

[Heleadethme]

28 minutes ago, OneLight said:

apples and oranges ... look, I am just trying to make it so it does not sound like every church is full of bad doctrine and false teachers, which they are not.   There is more than enough damage being done to Christians by non believers it bothers me to see believers doing the same damage also.  Speaking truth about a false teacher or false doctrine is important, but you don't say all US theology is bad or all doctrine followed in the US is bad.  Course not .. you would be more specific so people know exactly what you are talking about and why it is bad.

Sure, a person can get into more specifics when a situation or the direction of a conversation calls for it, and if they have the time, and it is also valid to just give a general heads-up to wake people up, as the Lord leads........and anyone is free to ask questions, and seek the Lord, and re-examine what they believe and are following in light of scripture, and do some of their own research.  Seems like the church in general has damaged itself and needs to take its own responsibility for its own mistakes.  We shouldn't think for a minute the Lord is afraid to judge and call out His own house in front of the whole unbelieving  world........judgment BEGINS with His house.

 

[OneLight]

3 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

Sure, a person can get into more specifics when a situation or the direction of a conversation calls for it, and if they have the time, and it is also valid to just give a general heads-up to wake people up, as the Lord leads........and anyone is free to ask questions, and seek the Lord, and re-examine what they believe and are following in light of scripture, and do some of their own research.  Seems like the church in general has damaged itself and needs to take its own responsibility for its own mistakes.  We shouldn't think for a minute the Lord is afraid to judge and call out His own house in front of the whole unbelieving  world........judgment BEGINS with His house.

It really doesn't sound like you understand what I am referring to.  By no means am I saying not to inform people of false teachers and bad congregations.  What I am saying is not to use blanket statements that would lead to someone thinks "all" churches and congregations are bad.

There is not one perfect church or body of believers, I agree, but that does not mean that these groups are not trying their best to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit and what is written.  It should not be that difficult to tighten up what is being said about the body of Christ so it is accurate and not in error.  One would think that this would be a priority ... honesty.

[simplejeff]

1 minute ago, OneLight said:

By no means am I saying not to inform people of false teachers and bad congregations. 

Maybe you are not,  but .....

1 minute ago, OneLight said:

One would think that this would be a priority ... honesty.

.... is not permitted on this forum --- people (like me, yes)  who posted honest exposures of false teachings and/or false teachers ,

and if that offend one or more of the false teachers that happen to visit this forum, 

often are banned from threads or from the site.   This is true on almost all forums and chat rooms though,  not just this one.

[simplejeff]

5 minutes ago, OneLight said:

There is not one perfect church or body of believers, I agree, but that does not mean that these groups are not trying their best to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit and what is written.

Keep seeking YHVH as Jesus says to,  seek the TRUTH (and YHVH'S KINGDOM) and keep seeking, and you will find it,  Jesus says to all the disciples.  His Word is TRUTH.   Men are not so reliable, no,  not at all.....  Test everything by HIS WORD and constant prayer relying on YHVH, trusting YHVH for all in all.

5 minutes ago, OneLight said:

It should not be that difficult to tighten up what is being said about the body of Christ so it is accurate and not in error. 

It is not possible, or at least seems impossible, or at best very unlikeliy,  on forums and chat rooms currently.

[Heleadethme]

45 minutes ago, OneLight said:

It really doesn't sound like you understand what I am referring to.  By no means am I saying not to inform people of false teachers and bad congregations.  What I am saying is not to use blanket statements that would lead to someone thinks "all" churches and congregations are bad.

There is not one perfect church or body of believers, I agree, but that does not mean that these groups are not trying their best to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit and what is written.  It should not be that difficult to tighten up what is being said about the body of Christ so it is accurate and not in error.  One would think that this would be a priority ... honesty.

Yes i understand what you are saying and my comments were in response.  I'm honest about what I see........that the church in general is falling away, except for a remnant.

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 hour ago, Heleadethme said:

Sure, a person can get into more specifics when a situation or the direction of a conversation calls for it, and if they have the time, and it is also valid to just give a general heads-up to wake people up, as the Lord leads........and anyone is free to ask questions, and seek the Lord, and re-examine what they believe and are following in light of scripture, and do some of their own research.  Seems like the church in general has damaged itself and needs to take its own responsibility for its own mistakes.  We shouldn't think for a minute the Lord is afraid to judge and call out His own house in front of the whole unbelieving  world........judgment BEGINS with His house.

 

Sister as you WELL know when prophets of old warned , they did overall general warnings and yes we can be specific too .

Most need to really get those holy words or pure biblical sayings and patterns ground n deep.    Most have sat under men who try and reason away things.

I bodly refuse to sit under those .    Bodly and with no apologies .    We just in a massive falling away and that is where men led the churches right INTO apostacy

and greater apostacies than these shall abound in many churches , till the churches , other religons , non religious alike are all holding hands living n sin

and saying WORLD PEACE , WORLD PEACE , away with these haters of humanity.  And it will be as a chain , a muslim holdng the hand of a jew

holding the hand of a christain , holding the hand of a gay , holding the hand of a wican , holding the hand of an antheist   AND THEY WILL THINK they the FAMILY

OF GOD and we the haters .      ITS building , can nothing stop this end time delusion which leadeth to the beast , the son of perdtion , WHICH LEADS ALL TO PERDITOIN at they end.

But a great war will strike In their hearts , and as they get only blinder under the darkness they see as Light , the more intense will the hatred rise against truth

against the LAMB ,against all who are truly of him , till it causes the blood shed of many lambs .   SIS,  they gonna think they Do GODS WILL

they are , they truly are , they surely will.     And we will just be monsters of humanity who are mental, sick , haters , demons and etc.  

[frienduff thaylorde]

What I am about to write I write with tears building ,    IT did not have to be this way for so many

They could have what I was freely given.    Its going to go all out nasty sooner than later .

And we will sadly watch so many go under the lie .    As much as I warn , as much tears build , their is nothing I can do to stop this .

I am only doing by grace what I am led by The SPRIIT to do.   WE MUST leave the false synagoues now .    GET OUT of them.

IF they are not grave , if they are feeding you ALLL of JESUS sayings , GET OUT .    GET OUT NOW ,  Lest you partake of their sins , GET OUT

nothing can stop this delusion .   ITS began.    IT has began and will only get worse .

People why on earth \sit    under those who feed empty doctrine .    IF one has the SPIRIT the mix is EMPTY , is empty its got no life , no joy, no happiness.

Please I  don't want to see people go under this end time delusion , but THEY WILL and they will DO IT to themselves.

WHEN GOD LEADS we BETTER FOLLOW .  AND HE LED ME OUT of Babylon .   OUT ,   I tried to find one,   BUT HE LED ME OUT .

All we can do now is warn by exhorting , \remind by JESUS sayings.      GET OUT of them unity seeking churches

GET OUT OF THEM.    their unity is with the WORLD they hug a gay and a muslm BUT WONT CORRECT NOTHING .  AWAY with their doctrine

I shun it to hell.      JESUS , THE GOSPLE , THAT IS the POWER OF GOD , not this dung pile many now teach .   That aint unity most preach

its unity with the world and it will cause all who go along with it to fall away .