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[frienduff thaylorde]

20 minutes ago, warrior12 said:

May i ask if you can kindly provide an example of a verse that confuses you trying to decipher the old english ?.    Just want to see what others may also find difficult.   Here below is a couple verse of a KJV, i posted.  You can point out the difficulty.  Thanks

Isaiah 1 King James Version (KJV)

⁴ Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the Lord, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.

⁵ Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.

⁶ From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.

⁷ Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.

This lil wee thing KNOWS what that means .     HMMMM

And I got two good ole dictionaries for some of the words I did know not .    But and this is truth .    even the words , most of them,  that I did not know

when I had looked them up  they had confirmed what I thought they meant . 

[Still Alive]

7 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

Don't think some figured this out yet .       here lets rewrite it .    why are the  N   E    W      E       R      translations of the bible missing verses.

And this answer is above.............................................................................................as in LOOK UP here.  

NEWER .    NEWER .       hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

just saying .   

Kind of like the Newer. Newer. Newer covenant.?

 

BTW, the reason for "newer" translations is because we don't speak the english of the KJV and, of MUCH more importance, the "newer" translations are gleaned from older transcripts that were discovered after the KJV was compiled. 

All you know from the title is that newer versions are newer, and that is not always a bad thing. A Mustang is better than a Model T.

Edited March 26, 2018 by Still Alive

[frienduff thaylorde]

Just now, Still Alive said:

Kind of like the Newer. Newer. Newer covenant.?

 

BTW, the reason for "newer" translations is because we don't speak the english of the KJV and, of MUCH more importance, the "newer" translations are gleaned from MUCH older transcripts that were discovered after the KJV was compiled. 

All you know from the title is that newer versions are newer, and that is not always a bad thing. A Mustang is better than a Model T.

But taking from or adding too.................................   JEZT     das ist nicht gut oder recht .    the ones who truly risked their lives for the sake of getting the word out to people

How come they greek understanding is far less than those who ,   now how to say this ,   they sat got fat ,  added to or took from Gods word,   how come their versions

are superior .     OH,    I aint got no problem wit newer English translations .................its when the NEWER ones do a lil change of the twisty twiss twiss,  THAT I GOT PROBLEMS with .

and some of the newer versions...................well, THEY DO just that .     

[Still Alive]

5 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

This lil wee thing KNOWS what that means .     HMMMM

And I got two good ole dictionaries for some of the words I did know not .    But and this is truth .    even the words , most of them,  that I did not know

when I had looked them up  they had confirmed what I thought they meant . 

Yeah, I don't have to do that to read most other translations. That's the point. It's like trying to read Shakespeare. If there is a REASON to do it, by all means do it. But for me there isn't.

[warrior12]

32 minutes ago, Still Alive said:

Anything with a thee or thou, not to mention words that have actually changed their definition since it was written. I even bristled when I heard Billy Graham, in speaking to people, use Thee's and Thou's. I guess it makes your words somehow more "holy" to use old English. 

Well, if one's mother tongue is not English, then i can see some stumbling.  By the way, if your grandpa heard you said that about Mr. Billy, you may be out for a spanking.  All is well, to each his own taste.  I like chocolate ice cream, others vanilla, it's still ice cream.   Back to work.

Edited March 26, 2018 by warrior12

[frienduff thaylorde]

7 minutes ago, Still Alive said:

Yeah, I don't have to do that to read most other translations. That's the point. It's like trying to read Shakespeare. If there is a REASON to do it, by all means do it. But for me there isn't.

Be encouraged in the LORD .    the thing is that after reading the kjv and learning it .    I had went to read  SOME , key word is SOME

other newer transaltions ,  and I found they omitted , twisted things .   That is the problem I have .     I said SOME I did not say ALL.

The one thing I have found of upmost beauty about the King james is how you can read it and other parts in it ,  agree in full with all the parts .

An example is the word unnatural affection ,     its changed in newer versions to mean without love.  BUT that is not what it means .   it means what romans chapter one

says .  men with men , women with women.      Or other things .    Like its so beautiful how clear it says in Corinthians chapter thirteen

that charity love does not behave itself unseemingly.    in romans one it uses man with man as behavior that is UNSEEMINGLY

and this is HOW I can show the people in churches that gay marriage IS NOT LOVE   .   it just flows so perfect .

 

[LadyKay]

44 minutes ago, warrior12 said:

May i ask if you can kindly provide an example of a verse that confuses you trying to decipher the old english ?.    Just want to see what others may also find difficult.   Here below is a couple verse of a KJV, i posted.  You can point out the difficulty.  Thanks

I know this was not addressed to me but I would like to put in my 2 cents.  While for the most part I can understand the KJV, but it takes me re-reading some of the verses a few times to work out what is being said.  Where as with the NIV or my Holmes Study Bible, it is most often clear the first time through.  There is nothing wrong with any of that. It is all about what gives you the best  understanding. The KJV is beautifully written.  I prefer the 23 Psalm in KJV over the NIV because of the beauty of the language. 

[Still Alive]

1 minute ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

But taking from or adding too.................................   JEZT     das ist nicht gut oder recht .    the ones who truly risked their lives for the sake of getting the word out to people

How come they greek understanding is far less than those who ,   now how to say this ,   they sat got fat ,  added to or took from Gods word,   how come their versions

are superior .     OH,    I aint got no problem wit newer English translations .................its when the NEWER ones do a lil change of the twisty twiss twiss,  THAT I GOT PROBLEMS with .

and some of the newer versions...................well, THEY DO just that .     

I linked a couple of articles. In them you will find plenty of information regarding taking from or adding to. The culprit here is the KJV - overwhelmingly so. 

I had a friend that was KJV only that was really trying to convince me of his position about six years ago. At that time I didn't really care, but started studying the whole issue. It loaded me for bear. I will reference the KJV from time to time, but I consider it to be the least accurate of the more popular versions, the Green JW bible being a major exception.

[Still Alive]

7 minutes ago, warrior12 said:

Well, if one's mother tongue is not English, then i can see some stumbling.  By the way, if your grandpa heard you said that about Mr. Billy, you may be out for a spanking.  All is well, to each his own taste.  I like chocolate ice cream, others vanilla, it's still ice cream.   Back to work.

I'm a big fan of Graham. That's just a minor annoyance.

 

My mother tongue IS English. 20th century English. I suppose if I was raised in a church that was KJV only, I'd feel differently. I became a Christian at age 27. I'm married to no Christian traditions other than those actually in the bible.

[LadyKay]

22 minutes ago, Still Alive said:

translations is because we don't speak the english of the KJV

Thou go forth to burger king and receiveth thy cheeseburger.