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The Biblical teachings of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church

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Mike Mclees
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1 hour ago, Diaste said:

Counter proposal: Tell me what evidence will suffice to prove pretrib incorrect. 

I offer this because all evidence is rejected out of hand.

A bigger question looming with no answer concerns the 100,000 believers that die every year in the name of Jesus. Where is their rapture? 

You say, and all the men you cite, that the rapture must be pretrib because we are not appointed to wrath. 

This cannot be correct as millions are seen around the throne and it is specifically stated they have come out of great tribulation. That means they would have endured the wrath of God. How do you account for this?

That is not correct. Great tribulation is the persecution of the antichrist. This is the last 3 1/2 after the abomination of desolation.  Then the bride who suffered the antichrist will be taken up to heaven and honored of God after which the seven vials of Gods wrath wil be poured out on the unbelieving world  This is stated in Rev 15:1, 2  

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Revelation 15:1-2 King James Version (KJV)

15 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

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The true bride Is not accounted to Gods wrath

For God has not appointed us wrath but o obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.    ! T hess 5:9

Antichrist persecution is not Gods wrath, Wrath comes after his persecution of the church

Edited by Mike Mclees

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3 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

Quasar93

You have a few errors in you lengthy writings, but this one is absolutely correct in every way

The Lord will definitely take out all believers from the beginning and make them immortal just before He brings His wrath and judgment of an unbelieving world

Thank you for posting this truth

Please don't allow your self or loved ones be taken by surprise. The beast is coming for the church. I know that's a hard truth. Difficult for us to contemplate. But it is the truth. The beast is the refining fire God said would come. Judgement begins with the house of God. We are that house. You will not be taken early. No one will. Please seek out the strength of the Lord and rely on Him to see you through.

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Diaste    1,007

Diaste
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You are correct, this is what scripture says.

Pretrib has a great deal of trouble with the questions I posed. I am looking for Quasars answer to these.

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Daniel 11:36
Posted (edited)

"Please don't allow your self or loved ones be taken by surprise. The beast is coming for the church"

 

Not today's church son .... all of today's believers of the dead and the living will be made immortal just before

Then the tribulation period will begin

Those who repent during the period will be saved, but most will be killed for their faith

 

Edited by Daniel 11:36

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1 hour ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

"Please don't allow your self or loved ones be taken by surprise. The beast is coming for the church"

 

Not today's church son .... all of today's believers of the dead and the living will be made immortal just before

Then the tribulation period will begin

Those who repent during the period will be saved, but most will be killed for their faith

 

But I thought the tribulation period was the wrath of God. Isn't that why the rapture is to take place before the tribulation period starts?

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Daniel 11:36
Posted (edited)

Exactly what I just said .... it is the wrath of the Lord that will come upon an unbelieving world

And it will last for 7 years [Revelation 8 through 19]

.... but first He will call those who belong to Him home 

Edited by Daniel 11:36

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10 hours ago, Diaste said:

Counter proposal: Tell me what evidence will suffice to prove pretrib incorrect. 

I offer this because all evidence is rejected out of hand.

A bigger question looming with no answer concerns the 100,000 believers that die every year in the name of Jesus. Where is their rapture? 

You say, and all the men you cite, that the rapture must be pretrib because we are not appointed to wrath. 

This cannot be correct as millions are seen around the throne and it is specifically stated they have come out of great tribulation. That means they would have endured the wrath of God. How do you account for this?

 

The above seat of the pants exegesis with unsupportable opinion, without Scripura verification is completely worthless.

 

I have posted the full evidence of proof for the pre-trib rapture of the Church.  Either you produce your Scripturally based argument against it to prove any of it is false, or your views are the ones that are.

 

And where, may I ask, did you obtain your qualifications to teach eschatology?

 

 

Quasar93

 

 

 

 

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Quote by Mike Mclees:

>>>[From Diastes] Counter proposal: Tell me what evidence will suffice to prove pretrib incorrect. 

I offer this because all evidence is rejected out of hand.

A bigger question looming with no answer concerns the 100,000 believers that die every year in the name of Jesus. Where is their rapture? 

You say, and all the men you cite, that the rapture must be pretrib because we are not appointed to wrath. 

This cannot be correct as millions are seen around the throne and it is specifically stated they have come out of great tribulation. That means they would have endured the wrath of God. How do you account for this?

That is not correct. Great tribulation is the persecution of the antichrist. This is the last 3 1/2 after the abomination of desolation.  Then the bride who suffered the antichrist will be taken up to heaven and honored of God after which the seven vials of Gods wrath wil be poured out on the unbelieving world  This is stated in Rev 15:1, 2<<< 

 

Reply by Quasar93:

You do not have the chronologival order of end time events in proper Scriptural order.  Review the following:y.

Scriptural proof for the pre-trib rapture of the Church 

The Scriptures are crystal clear where Jesus will meet His Church, in 1 Thess.4:17: "After that, we who are still alive and are left, WILL BE CAUGHT UP TOGETHER with them in the clouds TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR. And so we will be with the Lord forever." In the FIRST of His TWO comings, recorded in 1 Thess.4:16, yet to take place, confirming Jn.14:2-3, 28! From where the Church is seen in heaven BEFORE the tribulation begins, in Rev.4:1-2. Where Jesus used John to symbolically represent the Church. Confirming 2 Thess.2:3 and 7-8! Where the Church is seen in heaven later, at the marriage of the Bride/Church to the Lamb/Jesus. While the tribulation is taking place on earth, recorded in Rev.19:7-8. From where Jesus will return to the earth in the SECOND, of His TWO comings, yet to take place, WITH HIS CHURCH, riding white horses, dressed in fine linen, white and clean, in His armies from heaven, recorded in 19:14, confirming Zech.14:4-5 and Acts 1:6; 1:11; 2:29-30 and 15:16! From which the above Scriptures leave no other options!

The difference between the pre-trib rapture of the Church, as delineated above, and the SECOND coming of Jesus are the following facts:

1. Jesus returns to the earth in His second coming, recorded in Zech.14:4-5 and in Acts 1:11.

2. No one meets Jesus in the sky when He returns in His second coming, recorded in Rev.19:14, as they will when He returns for the first time, recorded in 1 Thess.4:16!.

3. Jesus will return from the marriage of the Bride/Church to the Lamb/Jesus, in heaven, in His second coming, to the earth, with His Church, recorded in Rev.19:14, He came for in His first coming, in the clouds of the sky, seven years before, recorded in Jn.14:2-3, 28, 1 Thess.4:16-17 and 2 Thess.2:3 and 7-8.

4. No one returns to the present heaven at Jesus second coming to the earth, because He has come to establish His 1,000 year reign on the throne of David, in the restored kingdom of Israel, as recorded in Acts 1:6; 2:29-30; 15:16; Zech.6:12-13 described in Ez.40-47 and Rev.20:6. In addition to the present heaven and earth being destroyed and will pass away, as recorded in 2 Pet.3:7 and in Rev.21:1.

 

Quasar93

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Daniel 11:36
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'Where is their rapture?"

 

At the same time .... both the dead in Christ and those living at the time will go together in a flash 

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