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56 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

The 70th Week happens immediately after the Rapture, it is only the 70th Week of Israels JUDGMENT !! Remember?  So this final week is designed by God to bring Israel unto repentance. Israel repents 75 days before the 1260 at the 1335 when the Two-witnesses show up. 

In Daniel 9:24, Daniel prophesied that these six things must come to pass before this judgment against Israel would be fulfilled. Some think Jesus fulfilled all of these, most seem to think, as I do, that these things have not come to pass, and when they do that will be the end of the age.

1. Finish the transgression
2. Make and end of sins
3. To make reconciliation for iniquity
4. Bring in everlasting righteousness 
5. To seal up vision and prophecy
6. Anoint the most Holy

As per the 'Sorrows" that is the Church Age. It means of course "Birth Pangs" and the Church Age is the 2000 years of birth pangs that usher in r births the End Times 70th Week. The "First Seal" is Jesus allowing the Anti-Christ to come forth to Conquer, we know that happens in the Middle of the Week or at the 1260. Thus the Woman (Israel) needs to be protected for 1260 days in the Wilderness/Petra. 

The Abomination of Desolation (AoD) happens at the 1290, 30 days before the 1260 and 45 days after the 1335.  The GREATEST TROUBLES EVER happen because Jesus releases the Anti-Christ to come forth via the First Seal. He kills 1.5 to 2 Billion people. 

The Seals and Trumpets do not happen at the same time my friend the Seven Trumpets come forth from the Seventh Seal !! The Wrath of God starts with the First Seal, but to people on earth its just "MORE WARS" like they have been used to ( see WW1 & WW2 etc.)  so thy think nothing of it, the 5th Seal is all Jesus looking in supernaturally on the Beheaded. Not until the 6th Seal do people on earth realize they are in Gods Wrath, or the Day of the Lord, because they SEE the Prophet Joel's prophecy and he Rev. ch. six 6th Seal events coming to pass. But they were in the day of the Lord the whole time, which is Gods Wrath. 

The Seals....Trumpets....and Vials are not the same event. 

You are correct, it is Israel's time of judgement. Israel is the seed of Abraham, you know, Abraham begat Isaac, Isaac begat Jacob, Jacob is Israel. Since we are in Christ ergo we are the seed of Abraham;

Galatians 3:29
And now that you belong to Christ, you are the true children of Abraham. You are his heirs, and God's promise to Abraham belongs to you.

This means we are Israel and the 70th week is our destiny. If we live that long.

The wrath of God begins at the 6th seal, Rev 6, "17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?"

Unless wrath begins twice there is only one beginning to God's wrath, at the sixth seal. Before that is judgement on the church through tribulation.

Never said seals, trumps and vials were the same events. I said the 6th seal and the 7th trump were VIRTUALLY the same. Seals are opened and trumps sound, concurrently, not a one for one, but occurring in the same time period with the culmination coming at the 7th seal and the plagues of the wrath of God. 

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19 minutes ago, Diaste said:

You are correct, it is Israel's time of judgement. Israel is the seed of Abraham, you know, Abraham begat Isaac, Isaac begat Jacob, Jacob is Israel. Since we are in Christ ergo we are the seed of Abraham;

Galatians 3:29
And now that you belong to Christ, you are the true children of Abraham. You are his heirs, and God's promise to Abraham belongs to you.

This means we are Israel and the 70th week is our destiny. If we live that long.

The wrath of God begins at the 6th seal, Rev 6, "17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?"

Unless wrath begins twice there is only one beginning to God's wrath, at the sixth seal. Before that is judgement on the church through tribulation.

Never said seals, trumps and vials were the same events. I said the 6th seal and the 7th trump were VIRTUALLY the same. Seals are opened and trumps sound, concurrently, not a one for one, but occurring in the same time period with the culmination coming at the 7th seal and the plagues of the wrath of God. 

Mmmm no, that's Replacement Theology brother. Israel must repent before the 70th Week of Judgment against ISRAEL is up. The Church is not on earth, the Church is Raptured. The Day of the Lord (Gods Wrath) begins at the First Seal, I explained why they cry out they are in Gods (The Lambs) Wrath. They only UNDERSTAND IT at that point, John is seeing a Vision of actual events. When the Anti-Christ starts these Wars (takes Peace from the earth) the people om earth have no way of knowing they are in Gods Wrath, and why would they?  Its the same thing Hitler did and WW1 killed millions also, so to those people on earth its just another World War. All the Deaths brought by the Wars are bad, but the people think its just another World War !!

Then when they see the Sun not giving is light and the moon doing the same, and Stars falling t Heaven followed by a Great Earthquake like NEVER BEFORE SEEN, the even the most ungodly will know and thin.......HEY !!!!! This is what the Bible speaks of...........Oh My, we are in the Wrath of God !!

So the Vision John sees says that THEY UNDERSTAND at this time that they are in the Wrath of God, NOWHERE does it say the Wrath of God begins here because God does nothing out of Symmetrical Order. All of the Seals are Gods Wrath...........JESUS IS OPENING THEM !!! 

The Seals....Trumpets....and Vials all have DIFFERENT and more Violent Earthquakes. Look at them.

God Bless.

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8 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Mmmm no, that's Replacement Theology brother. Israel must repent before the 70th Week of Judgment against ISRAEL is up. The Church is not on earth, the Church is Raptured. The Day of the Lord (Gods Wrath) begins at the First Seal, I explained why they cry out they are in Gods (The Lambs) Wrath. They only UNDERSTAND IT at that point, John is seeing a Vision of actual events. When the Anti-Christ starts these Wars (takes Peace from the earth) the people om earth have no way of knowing they are in Gods Wrath, and why would they?  Its the same thing Hitler did and WW1 killed millions also, so to those people on earth its just another World War. All the Deaths brought by the Wars are bad, but the people think its just another World War !!

Then when they see the Sun not giving is light and the moon doing the same, and Stars falling t Heaven followed by a Great Earthquake like NEVER BEFORE SEEN, the even the most ungodly will know and thin.......HEY !!!!! This is what the Bible speaks of...........Oh My, we are in the Wrath of God !!

So the Vision John sees says that THEY UNDERSTAND at this time that they are in the Wrath of God, NOWHERE does it say the Wrath of God begins here because God does nothing out of Symmetrical Order. All of the Seals are Gods Wrath...........JESUS IS OPENING THEM !!! 

The Seals....Trumpets....and Vials all have DIFFERENT and more Violent Earthquakes. Look at them.

God Bless.

That is not replacement.  That is grafting into Israel.  Gentiles are grafted into Israel onto the Olive tree.  Gentile believers are fellow citizen of the common wealth of Israel.

 

Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 

Romans 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Also

Ephesians 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 

Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 

Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

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1 hour ago, Brother Duke said:

That is not replacement.  That is grafting into Israel.  Gentiles are grafted into Israel onto the Olive tree.  Gentile believers are fellow citizen of the common wealth of Israel.

 

Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 

Romans 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Also

Ephesians 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 

Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 

Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

THIS QUOTE BY HIM MADE IT REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY............This means we are Israel and the 70th week is our destiny. If we live that long.

The 70th Week has nothing to do with the Church nor are we on earth during the 70th Week. 

The Gentiles were grafted into the Family because THEY BELIEVED, Israel was cut off by God because of UNBELIEF, thus when Israel BELIEVE AGAIN, they will be grafted back into the family tree.

Israel repents, comes to the Messiah 75 days before the Beast Conquers Israel. The Two-witnesses show up at the 1335 which is 75 days before the 1260 and thus 45 days before the 1290. 

I understand all the ins and outs of Israel being of God via FAITH....then not being of God because of UNBELIEF, then in the End Times coming back to the FAITH......But the Church has no part in the End Times, we are Raptured. 

God Bless.

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12 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

THIS QUOTE BY HIM MADE IT REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY............This means we are Israel and the 70th week is our destiny. If we live that long.

The 70th Week has nothing to do with the Church nor are we on earth during the 70th Week. 

The Gentiles were grafted into the Family because THEY BELIEVED, Israel was cut off by God because of UNBELIEF, thus when Israel BELIEVE AGAIN, they will be grafted back into the family tree.

Israel repents, comes to the Messiah 75 days before the Beast Conquers Israel. The Two-witnesses show up at the 1335 which is 75 days before the 1260 and thus 45 days before the 1290. 

I understand all the ins and outs of Israel being of God via FAITH....then not being of God because of UNBELIEF, then in the End Times coming back to the FAITH......But the Church has no part in the End Times, we are Raptured. 

God Bless.

Hi Rev Man,

 

Where does it say the church is seperate from Israel?  On the contrary it says there is only one body and also there is no jew or gentile.  We are all one.  

 

Lastly, there is more to Israel than the Jews.  They were only one tribe of 13.  There are at least 11 other tribes of Israel who are lost among the nations but God knows who they are.

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1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

Mmmm no, that's Replacement Theology brother. Israel must repent before the 70th Week of Judgment against ISRAEL is up. The Church is not on earth, the Church is Raptured. The Day of the Lord (Gods Wrath) begins at the First Seal, I explained why they cry out they are in Gods (The Lambs) Wrath. They only UNDERSTAND IT at that point, John is seeing a Vision of actual events. When the Anti-Christ starts these Wars (takes Peace from the earth) the people om earth have no way of knowing they are in Gods Wrath, and why would they?  Its the same thing Hitler did and WW1 killed millions also, so to those people on earth its just another World War. All the Deaths brought by the Wars are bad, but the people think its just another World War !!

Then when they see the Sun not giving is light and the moon doing the same, and Stars falling t Heaven followed by a Great Earthquake like NEVER BEFORE SEEN, the even the most ungodly will know and thin.......HEY !!!!! This is what the Bible speaks of...........Oh My, we are in the Wrath of God !!

So the Vision John sees says that THEY UNDERSTAND at this time that they are in the Wrath of God, NOWHERE does it say the Wrath of God begins here because God does nothing out of Symmetrical Order. All of the Seals are Gods Wrath...........JESUS IS OPENING THEM !!! 

The Seals....Trumpets....and Vials all have DIFFERENT and more Violent Earthquakes. Look at them.

God Bless.

I don't think you understand replacement theology. It's when people say Israel has lost her place and the church replaces Israel. 

The truth is we are grafted into Jacob, we are in Christ, we are of the seed of Abraham, and therefore partakers in the holy mysteries,  and all the promises Abraham received from the Most High.

Therefore, we, as adopted sons, grafted into Jacob, true sons of Abraham in Jesus Christ, will be whom endures judgment.  Peter says, 

Peter 4:17 King James Version 

17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:

That's you and I.

Get ready. The beast is coming. 

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6 minutes ago, Diaste said:

I don't think you understand replacement theology. It's when people say Israel has lost her place and the church replaces Israel. 

The truth is we are grafted into Jacob, we are in Christ, we are of the seed of Abraham, and therefore partakers in the holy mysteries,  and all the promises Abraham received from the Most High.

Therefore, we, as adopted sons, grafted into Jacob, true sons of Abraham in Jesus Christ, will be whom endures judgment.  Peter says, 

Peter 4:17 King James Version 

17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:

That's you and I.

Get ready. The beast is coming. 

Oh, I understand it, and I am not saying you are doing it on purpose like others do. But you have the Church taking the place of Israel during the 70th Week when the Church doesn't need to repent, we are in Christ Jesus already. Abraham BELIEVED God, thus we Gentles who BELIEVE in Gods Righteousness are grafted into the FAMILY of God. We are the seed via FAITH, but God will save Abraham's ACTUAL SEED also as God promised him He would do. 

The Church is Judged in Christ Jesus. That is why we can go to Heaven straight away at the Rapture. We will not be on earth for the 70th Week, so I will get ready for the Rapture. 

 

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17 minutes ago, Brother Duke said:

Hi Rev Man,

 

Where does it say the church is seperate from Israel?  On the contrary it says there is only one body and also there is no jew or gentile.  We are all one.  

 

Lastly, there is more to Israel than the Jews.  They were only one tribe of 13.  There are at least 11 other tribes of Israel who are lost among the nations but God knows who they are.

There are TWO Brides. God married Israel, we will marry Christ Jesus in Heaven while the 70th Week or Jacobs Troubles is going on back on earth. 

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1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

There are TWO Brides. God married Israel, we will marry Christ Jesus in Heaven while the 70th Week or Jacobs Troubles is going on back on earth. 

Hi Revelation Man,

 

Where does it say that a pre-raptured gentile church marries Christ and how many will be in this pre-raptured church? We know that the Tribulation Saints are so numerous that they cannot even be counted.  They are definitely part of the church since they die for Christ and are called Saints.

We also know that the 144,000 that represent Israel are special to Christ since they end up coming back with him at his side.  I submit they are the remnant bride since the bride is at her husbands side.   Why does the gentile church not come back with Christ when he steps on  mount Zion?  They are also always with Christ.

Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb

Thank you,

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2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Oh, I understand it, and I am not saying you are doing it on purpose like others do. But you have the Church taking the place of Israel during the 70th Week when the Church doesn't need to repent, we are in Christ Jesus already. Abraham BELIEVED God, thus we Gentles who BELIEVE in Gods Righteousness are grafted into the FAMILY of God. We are the seed via FAITH, but God will save Abraham's ACTUAL SEED also as God promised him He would do. 

The Church is Judged in Christ Jesus. That is why we can go to Heaven straight away at the Rapture. We will not be on earth for the 70th Week, so I will get ready for the Rapture. 

 

"But you have the Church taking the place of Israel during the 70th Week". No the church IS Israel and Israel is the church. They are the same. 

Col 3:11, "Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all."

Galatians 3:28, "28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

1 Peter 4, "12 Dear friends, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal that has come on you to test you,"

So the 1st century was going through a fiery ordeal, TO TEST THEM. And you say this, "the Church doesn't need to repent". I think you are going to be shocked at what's coming.

17 For it is time for judgment to begin with God’s household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? 18 And,

“If it is hard for the righteous to be saved,
    what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?”

If it is HARD for the righteous to be saved? What? And you believe the church does not need to repent?

It's all by faith, always has been. How do you think Abram was called out and saved before there was the Law? Abram was saved before a Jewish nation existed. Abram was called by God and by faith left his home and family and followed God.

Listen;

Hebrews 11

By faith Abel....And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead.

5 By faith Enoch was taken....he was commended as one who pleased God. 6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, 

7 By faith Noah....By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that is in keeping with faith.

8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. 9 By faith he made his home...

 11 And by faith even Sarah, 

13 All these people were still living by faith when they died.

Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.(this is a reference to New Jerusalem, where all the faithful of all ages will gather and meet in the Lord.)

17 By faith Abraham...offered Isaac as a sacrifice.

20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau in regard to their future.

21 By faith Jacob, when he was dying, blessed each of Joseph’s sons, and worshiped as he leaned on the top of his staff.

22 By faith Joseph, 

23 By faith Moses’ 

24 By faith Moses, 26 He regarded disgrace for the sake of Christ as of greater value.  

27 By faith he left Egypt, 

28 By faith he kept the Passover 

29 By faith the people passed through the Red Sea as on dry land; but when the Egyptians tried to do so, they were drowned.

30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell, after the army had marched around them for seven days.

31 By faith the prostitute Rahab, because she welcomed the spies, was not killed with those who were disobedient.[d]

32......I do not have time to tell about Gideon,Barak, Samson and Jephthah, about David and Samuel and the prophets, 33 who through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, and gained what was promised; who shut the mouths of lions,34 quenched the fury of the flames, and escaped the edge of the sword;whose weakness was turned to strength; and who became powerful in battle and routed foreign armies. 35 Women received back their dead, raised to life again. There were others who were tortured, refusing to be released so that they might gain an even better resurrection. 36 Some faced jeers and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. 37 They were put to death by stoning;[e] they were sawed in two; they were killed by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins,destitute, persecuted and mistreated— 38 the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, living in caves and in holes in the ground.

This is the truth about Jesus Christ, faith and the church of God. It has always been Jesus from the foundation of the world, it has always been faith from the foundation of the world, and the church of God has always existed from the foundation of the world. Dispensationalism is a disgrace to the loving kindness and faithfulness of the grace and salvation of the Most High God and his son Jesus Christ. 

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      "knock and the door will be opened to you." Imagine this unprecedented event. Christians, from all over the world, united physically in congregations, united virtually through technology, united spiritually in the Holy Ghost, praying together with a clear, unified intention: shortening, hastening the Return of the Lord (2 Peter 3:12, Revelation 22:17, Revelation 22:20, Matthew 6:5-13, Luke 18:1-8) Wouldn’t the Lord be quick, in fulfilling their holy prayer? “[…] And the Lord said, “Listen to what the unjust judge says. And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?” This is not happening yet, but we can make it happen. SUMMARY (You can freely download the pdf) 1 - Brief history of the Church 2 – God wants men to cooperate his plans 3 – The importance of prayer and the Lord’s prayer 4 – The Last Day 5 – While in the world 6 – Warnings 7 – Avoid misconceptions 8 – An unprecedented event 9 – SOURCES 1 - Brief history of the Church Along the history, many spiritual leaders did not listen to (Matthew 23:9-10) “And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah.” Therefore, it comes as no surprise that many false teachings did spread for centuries. Nor it is a surprise that true Christians come to a better understanding of some concepts through centuries, because luckily some of them are able to get rid of the false teachings they have received. Indeed, luckily some listened to Matthew 23:9-10. Moreover, Jesus said (John 16:12): ”I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.” Thus, an increasing understanding, founded on the Gospels and never contradicting them, is to be expected through history. 2 – God wants men to cooperate his plans Even though God could do everything alone, by not waiting his followers to align their will to His will, still he wants men to decide to cooperate with Him, to proceed in His salvation Plan. For those who knows the Scriptures, it’s not needed to quote the countless times in which God waited for men to turn to Him, and adhere His plan, before making things happen. Because being a loving Father, he doesn’t force His will upon men. 3 – The importance of prayer and the Lord’s prayer Point 2 on cooperation between God and men, is one of the reasons why Jesus stressed so much the importance of prayer. To be short, we only quote some passages, but there are countless ones in the Gospels alone: (Matthew 7:7) “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.” (John 16:24) “Until now you have not asked for anything in my name. Ask and you will receive, and your joy will be complete.” Of course, we need to make prayers aligned with God’s will. But even if something is already in God’s will, it’s really important for us to pray for it, because the Lord doesn’t want to force his gifts upon us, but He wants us to desire Him. Otherwise, there wouldn’t be any need for any prayer whatsoever. Now, what’s the only prayer that the Lord directly taught us? The Lord’s prayer. Let’s examine some passages: “your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.” […] “And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.” Now, let’s think about it, by knowing the Scriptures. When and how can the Lord completely fulfill these requests? Could they be fulfilled while we are still on earth? 4 – The Last Day It doesn’t take a leap of imagination, to realize that the Lord’s prayer promises will be fully fulfilled only with the Rapture and His Second Coming. [Even the only apparently not messianic request about the “bread”, is translated somewhere as “the bread of tomorrow”, thus indicating the bread of the Kingdom.] Now, it’s not a purpose of this work to choose which interpretation of the Second Coming is more Scriptural. Whatever it is, pre/post/multi/anti/tribulation,this is not the point here. The point is that only in the Last Day, the Lord will fully fulfill the Lord’s prayer requests. Now, are we aware of this? Are we, most Christians, praying that prayer with full intention and awareness, with the awareness that we are asking the Lord, according to His will, to shorten the days of His coming? It doesn’t seem like this awareness has been fully reached so far, but now the times may be arrived. Now this intention can be shared to Christians all over the earth. And it’s nothing new, it’s something fully Scriptural (2 Peter 3:12, Revelation 22:17, Revelation 22:20, Matthew 6:13), it’s just a better understanding of the power of our prayer in the name of Jesus. We are not predicting the day or the hour, and we’ll never try to do it. There is no needing of knowing the day nor the our, to ask the Lord to come quick, according to His will. How powerful would be this prayer, shouted by all His elects? What if some wise pastors could be able to share this intention to Christians all over the world, and all together we could pray “Come”, and “Deliver us from evil”, with the full understanding that we are asking for the Rapture, instead of passively waiting for it? This would be an unprecedented event in History, since so far most Christians have passively waited for it 5 – While in the world Asking for the rapture, doesn’t cut off any obligation for a true Christian life. Before Jesus returns, we’ll still have the obligation to love everyone, serve other people, improve the society, improve ourself, spread the Gospel. All of these commandments are in the Gospel and are immutable. At the same time, with this prayer, we clarify our intention to God, we tell Him that we are ready, and it is now time for our plans to align with His plans, and that we fully want and responsibly request His return for the elects. 6 – Warnings Unfortunately, there will always be some Christians who don’t really want the Lord to come soon. They are not excited at all about Heaven. Exactly like in these Parables: (Luke 14:15-20) “When one of those at the table with him heard this, he said to Jesus, “Blessed is the one who will eat at the feast in the kingdom of God.” Jesus replied: “A certain man was preparing a great banquet and invited many guests. At the time of the banquet he sent his servant to tell those who had been invited, ‘Come, for everything is now ready.’ “But they all alike began to make excuses. The first said, ‘I have just bought a field, and I must go and see it. Please excuse me.’ “Another said, ‘I have just bought five yoke of oxen, and I’m on my way to try them out. Please excuse me.’ “Still another said, ‘I just got married, so I can’t come.’ (Luke 19:14) "But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, 'We don't want this man to be our king.' (John 12:43) “For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.” But other Christians who aspire to Heaven, would have no reason to not pray this prayer. In the worst case, it will have no effect. In the best case, how glad we will be, to see the Lord coming quickly for us. 7 – Avoid misconceptions Q: “Does praying the Lord to come quickly mean that we don’t trust His promise that He will come?” A: “Absolutely not. The Lord knew the future. He knew about the prayers from His elects, and that he wouldn’t wait to fulfill them. Exactly as in countless other situations, in which the Lord has waited for men to ask Him for what is good. (Matthew 15:21-28). We are sure that His promise will be fulfilled, but we want to be among the ones that have aligned with His will and asked Him to fulfill it quickly.” Q: “Are we forcing the Lord to do something not in His will? Doesn’t He know the Right Time?” A: “He knows the Right Time, and we don’t know according to which criteria He has decided it. But according to the prayer He taught, when He decided it, part of the weight for the decision, came from considering the prayers of His elects (2 Peter 3:12, Revelation 22:17, Revelation 22:20, Matthew 6:13, Luke 18:1-8). Exactly as in other situations, He gave importance and weight to the will of his disciples and prophets, when aligned to His will” Q: “Are Christians praying this prayer exempt to contribute to society, and to spend their lives serving others until the Lord come?” A: “Absolutely not. A real Christian will follow all Jesus words,not only ones about prayer,respect the laws of his country, and will spend His life helping other people, so that when the Lord will come, he will find him ready.” (Matthew 24:45-51) “Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Q: “Will shortening the return of the Lord prevent some people from salvation?” A: “First off, remember that there will never be a moment on earth in which everyone will be Christian, before the rapture. It is not written anywhere. On the contrary, it is written about an increasingly diminishing of faith. Moreover, people who haven’t met Christ but are seeking for the Truth in their hearts, and are loving their brothers, will be likely raptured too. Exactly as some other righteous people like Socrates, will be raised in the last day, while evil people who are not seeking for repentance because they don’t have the seed of repentance in their hearts, will be left. Therefore, there is no such risk in shortening the day. Otherwise, the Lord wouldn’t have taught us this prayer.” Q:”What about theological and philosophical implications of this event Why someone is taken and someone else left?” A: “These are not treated here. They will be treated in other works, and some wise pastors will be able to answer this, by following the Scriptures” 8 – An unprecedented event If most Christian living today will share this intention, and pray together for it, this will be an unprecedented even in the history of the world. If the rapture happened centuries ago, it would have likely remained unexplained and not testified everywhere. But nowadays, thanks to technologies and to the Gospel spread everywhere, it will be testified to people of all nations, and everyone will know what happened. Now, our hope is that some wise Christian, who spent their lifes in the hope of Jesus’ Return, will actively spread this prayer and this intention among other pastors and Christians, so that all of us may be reunited under the Lord’s prayer, and pray together, with full intention and understanding and without the usual countless distractions and desires: Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy Name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day the bread of the Day that is coming. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Maranatha. Our Lord, come!  
      9 - SOURCES:
      http://learnbibleprophecy.blogspot.it/2010/12/come-lord-jesus-maranatha.html
      https://www.oneplace.com/ministries/love-worth-finding/read/articles/can-we-hasten-the-second-coming-of-christ-15204.html
      http://www.whatsaiththescripture.com/Timeline/Hastening.Lords.Return.html
      http://christianteaching.org.uk/blog/eschatology/hastening-the-return-of-christ/#comment-32538
      http://folkslisten.blogspot.it/2010/06/can-i-speed-up-return-of-jesus.html
      https://nathanaelflock.wordpress.com/2013/06/17/scriptural-conviction-hastening-the-day-of-the-lord/
      http://quailandmanna.com/god-justice/
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      PDF:
      maranatha.pdf
    • By Omegaman 3.0
      Things the Bible DOES NOT SAY about the End Times   Notice, that this list, does not establish any end times  theory, it tries to prove nothing. It does not even  attack a theory, or attempt to refute one.    What it does attempt to do, is to get people to ask  themselves, why they believe certain things, that the  Bible never says.   So basically, in between the lines I am asking:    If we believe certain things that are not stated in the scripture, and claim that we believe them because that is what scripture teaches, aren't we in principle adding to the words of scripture?   Furthermore, if we teach these things as though they are true, does that make us false teachers?   So, what things do I claim the Bible does not teach?  Following is a short list:   1. It does not say there will be a Rapture of the Church,  which occurs before the Great Tribulation.   2. It does not refer to a 7 year period as the Great Tribulation.   3. It does not say that the Holy Spirit is removed from the  Earth at any time during the Great Tribulation.   4. It does not refer to the Great Tribulation, as the wrath  of God.   5. It does not say that Jesus will return secretly or  invisibly to take His Church.   6. It does not say that no man will ever know the time (the day or hour) of His coming.
      7. It does not say that Jesus can return at any moment.   8. It does not say that Jesus will return like a thief in  the night for His church.   9. It does not say that believers will not be in the great  tribulation, or skip suffering and persecution, or even  death.   Now, am I wrong about anything on that list. If so, can you provide scripture citations that would make anything in the list a misstatement?   Thanks for your help!   P.S. Please try to stick to the actual topic, and provide us with the information which would show me to be in error, when I claim the bible does not express the ideas in the list. Also not, that in the thread that follows, other ideas that could be added to the list are these:   10. The Bible does not explicitly say the the Rapture is the Blessed Hope.   11. Jesus is not said to return as a thief in the night, in any context that necessitates a pre-tribulation return.   12. It is often said: The Rapture is Jesus coming for His church, the Second Coming is Jesus coming with His church. I think those definitions are workable, but the Bible does not say there is a multi-year interval between those events.   13. The Bible does not say, that there are 144,000 evangelists or witnesses, during the tribulation.   Helpful link to common verses applied to this topic
    • By Omegaman 3.0
      Daily Reading 36 If you prefer, you can look up the following verses in your own Bible, of by whatever means and in whatever version you choose. Hebrews 1 Genesis 45:1-46:27 Psalm 36 Audio 2:15 Audio 4:10 Audio 1:29 The above addresses are linked to Bible Gateway. That is an easy way to read (or listen to) the Bible verses, and choose your version.  Personally, I prefer written, that way I can go at my own pace, on think about it, before moving on. Nothing wrong with doing either or both. The Bible says faith comes by hearing. See the picture below to get an idea of what to expect if you follow the above links.

      Note: The audio will not play the exact verses, it will play the whole chapters, in which the verses exist.
      Thank you Lord for making the your word so accessible for us in these times. Amen

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