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On 6/6/2018 at 5:16 PM, Brother Duke said:

Rev 12:9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

I think the devil is the star that is cast down/falls and starts the tribulation.

I agree with the above, except for equating the angel with the key to Satan(dragon). What scripture equates them?

On 6/6/2018 at 5:25 PM, Brother Duke said:

  The great earthquake is also a marker 

Apologies if you covered this; A marker for what?

On 6/6/2018 at 5:29 PM, Brother Duke said:

3rd woe/The earthquake is the rapture/ressurection of all Christian's including the 2 witnesses.  Then begins the wrath.

I think the two witnesses show up at the very beginning of the last week. The ministry of these two must last 1260 days. If this was solely in the second half then the two would minister during the wrath of God near the end of the week. Are you suggesting an overlap between the two halves of the week?

It seems to be logical to place thier ministry only in the first half of the week because:

The beast comes to power at the start of the week, confirming the covenant with many, of which Israel is a part.

This covenant is doom for Israel.

The witnesses will prophesy against this covenant until the beast takes full authority and proclaims himself God 3.5 years from the beginning of the week.

Also because it's a neat and orderly solution; 1260 days, 3.5 years or half the last week. I like that. :)

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12 minutes ago, Diaste said:

I agree with the above, except for equating the angel with the key to Satan(dragon). What scripture equates them?

Just that stars represent angels/spirits and they fall around the same time in the first woe.

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17 minutes ago, Diaste said:

Apologies if you covered this; A marker for what?

As a timestamp to link similiar events.  How many great earthquakes are in Revelations?  I think they are all probably the same event.

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20 minutes ago, Diaste said:
On 6/6/2018 at 7:29 PM, Brother Duke said:

witnesses.  Then begins the wrath.

I think the two witnesses show up at the very beginning of the last week. The ministry of these two must last 1260 days. If this was solely in the second half then the two would minister during the wrath of God near the end of the week. Are you suggesting an overlap between the two halves of the week?

It seems to be logical to place thier ministry only in the first half of the week because:

The beast comes to power at the start of the week, confirming the covenant with many, of which Israel is a part.

This covenant is doom for Israel.

The witnesses will prophesy against this covenant until the beast takes full authority and proclaims himself God 3.5 years from the beginning of the week.

Also because it's a neat and orderly solution; 1260 days, 3.5 years or half the last week. I like that. :)

I think the 1st half of the 70th week is over and was completed when Christ died and was resurrected.

I believe the 2 witnesses start just before the great tribulation begins or near the beginning.  

I think they witness during the reign of the man of sin.  Then they are killed and resurrected at the end with the dead in Christ. 

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20 hours ago, Brother Duke said:

Hi Revelation Man,

 

Where does it say that a pre-raptured gentile church marries Christ and how many will be in this pre-raptured church? We know that the Tribulation Saints are so numerous that they cannot even be counted.  They are definitely part of the church since they die for Christ and are called Saints.

Revelation chapter 19 tells us that the Bride IN HEAVEN, Marries the Lamb, then returns on White Horses (which only means as Conquerors, just like the Anti-Christ on a White Horse is a CONQUEROR) to defeat the Anti-Christ/Beast and his Kings, Armageddon is THE MARRIAGE SUPPER, we Feast on the carnage and that is what Matthew 24:28 is speaking about, the Eagles (Church) will be at the CARCASS. Just read Revelation chapter 19, it tells you everything you need to know.

The so called Tribulation Saints you are referring to is Actually the RAPTURED CHURCH, most just do not understand what they are seeing because they cling to Men's Traditions via the "GREAT TRIBULATION" as if the phrase can only be the Greatest troubles ever, it can't be the 2000 year Church Age, because of course they have TUNNEL VISION, but that is exactly what it is, the 2000 year Church Age Saints as in 2000>7. What is GREATER? We try to pigeon hole Gods vocabulary here. Jesus said we would always have TRIBULATION, in Rev. 1:9 John told the Churches he was their brother in tribulation. 

Rev. 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; {{{ This is the RAPTURED CHURCH in Heaven. }}}

Rev. 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they ? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. {{{ The GREAT TRIBULATION = the 2000 year Church Age here, not the GREATEST TROUBLES EVER !! We can prove it. }}}

Jesus tells the Beheaded Saints under the Alter at the 5th Seal that the MUST WAIT until their fellow brethren are KILLED in like manner as they were !!

Rev. 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

{{{ This of course means they must wait until the Beasts 42 month reign of terror is finished before they can be resurrected. They thus are told they have to REST/Sleep in their graves until Jesus defeats the beast and his minions, then in Rev. 20:4, they will Judged and they live and reign with Christ ON EARTH for 1000 years !! Amen. }}}

20 hours ago, Brother Duke said:

We also know that the 144,000 that represent Israel are special to Christ since they end up coming back with him at his side.  I submit they are the remnant bride since the bride is at her husbands side.   Why does the gentile church not come back with Christ when he steps on  mount Zion?  They are also always with Christ.

The 144,000 is only a Metaphor for ALL ISRAEL. It will actually be in the Millions since 1/3 of the Jews REPENT, the 12 x 12 x 12 only means ALL ISRAEL. The number 12 represents fullness, thus 12 x 12 x 12 = ALL ISRAEL will be Saved just like Paul who quoted Isaiah said.  NOTICE: The Angel hold back the Four Wind that it hurts not Sea, Trees nor the Earth until the 144,000 are sealed. Well all this means is God orders the Angels not to bring the Plagues upon the earth, trees and seas until Israel escapes to Petra. Rev. ch 18:4 is the same event. Come out of her my people that ye receive not of her plagues is God yelling Israel to Flee unto Petra that she receives not of Babylon's (The Whole World) Plagues. 

The Church is with Christ, read Rev. ch. 19. We stop by and get the Jews from Petra on our way to kick the Beasts behind. 

The REMNANT CHURCH is seen in Rev. 12:17, they are the Saints who came to Christ after the Rapture, thus they are the BEHEADED, Israel are PROTECTED, thus the Dragon gets angry when he can't get at the Woman (Israel) and goes after the REMNANT which only means a small part of something that is left. 

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20 hours ago, Diaste said:

"But you have the Church taking the place of Israel during the 70th Week". No the church IS Israel and Israel is the church. They are the same. 

Col 3:11, "Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all."

Galatians 3:28, "28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

1 Peter 4, "12 Dear friends, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal that has come on you to test you,"

So the 1st century was going through a fiery ordeal, TO TEST THEM. And you say this, "the Church doesn't need to repent". I think you are going to be shocked at what's coming.

17 For it is time for judgment to begin with God’s household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? 18 And,

“If it is hard for the righteous to be saved,
    what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?”

If it is HARD for the righteous to be saved? What? And you believe the church does not need to repent?

It's all by faith, always has been. How do you think Abram was called out and saved before there was the Law? Abram was saved before a Jewish nation existed. Abram was called by God and by faith left his home and family and followed God.

Listen;

Hebrews 11

By faith Abel....And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead.

5 By faith Enoch was taken....he was commended as one who pleased God. 6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, 

7 By faith Noah....By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that is in keeping with faith.

8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. 9 By faith he made his home...

 11 And by faith even Sarah, 

13 All these people were still living by faith when they died.

Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.(this is a reference to New Jerusalem, where all the faithful of all ages will gather and meet in the Lord.)

17 By faith Abraham...offered Isaac as a sacrifice.

20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau in regard to their future.

21 By faith Jacob, when he was dying, blessed each of Joseph’s sons, and worshiped as he leaned on the top of his staff.

22 By faith Joseph, 

23 By faith Moses’ 

24 By faith Moses, 26 He regarded disgrace for the sake of Christ as of greater value.  

27 By faith he left Egypt, 

28 By faith he kept the Passover 

29 By faith the people passed through the Red Sea as on dry land; but when the Egyptians tried to do so, they were drowned.

30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell, after the army had marched around them for seven days.

31 By faith the prostitute Rahab, because she welcomed the spies, was not killed with those who were disobedient.[d]

32......I do not have time to tell about Gideon,Barak, Samson and Jephthah, about David and Samuel and the prophets, 33 who through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, and gained what was promised; who shut the mouths of lions,34 quenched the fury of the flames, and escaped the edge of the sword;whose weakness was turned to strength; and who became powerful in battle and routed foreign armies. 35 Women received back their dead, raised to life again. There were others who were tortured, refusing to be released so that they might gain an even better resurrection. 36 Some faced jeers and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. 37 They were put to death by stoning;[e] they were sawed in two; they were killed by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins,destitute, persecuted and mistreated— 38 the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, living in caves and in holes in the ground.

This is the truth about Jesus Christ, faith and the church of God. It has always been Jesus from the foundation of the world, it has always been faith from the foundation of the world, and the church of God has always existed from the foundation of the world. Dispensationalism is a disgrace to the loving kindness and faithfulness of the grace and salvation of the Most High God and his son Jesus Christ. 

No the Church is not Israel, just like I stated that is replacement theology all because you are not hip to the scriptures brother. I have done this 1000's of times. Paul speaks clearly about the coming fate of ISRAEL and the coming fate of THE CHURCH. You conflate the two because of Paul's quote about how we are all Jews via FAITH, but he was speaking of Spiritual things, not physical things. 

We all will indeed come unto God in LIKE MANNER by Faith and FAITH ALONE, thus we all come unto God just like Faithful Abraham. But Israel is BLINDED IN PART, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. Only after the Rapture are the scales released from Israels eyes. The Church is in Heaven, then Israel comes unto God BY FAITH just like Abraham did and just like the Church did.  

But we come unto God at DIFFERENT TIMES !! There are some Messianic Jews and always has been, thus Israel are only Blinded IN PART. But Israel as a Nation only repent when the Two-Witnesses show up at the 1335, which is 45 days before the AoD and 75 Days before the Holy people are SCATTERED or CONQUERED at the 1260. 

There ARE Male and FEMALES and there are Americans and Israelites and Gentiles and Jews. That was not Paul's point, the point was we must ALL COME to God by Faith and by FAITH ALONE, thus we are all the same. We are all made righteous by Faith. That in NO WISE changes the plight of the Church nor of the Jews.

Israel is the WHEAT who remain on the earth with the TARES until the END. 

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39 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

{{{ This of course means they must wait until the Beasts 42 month reign of terror is finished before they can be resurrected. They thus are told the have to REST/Sleep in their graves until Jesus defeats the beast and his minions, then in Rev. 20:4, they will Judged and they live and reign with Christ ON EARTH for 1000 years !! Amen. }}}

Hi Revelation Man,

 

Does this mean you are not pre-trib if they are raptured?  I am pre-wrath myself.

 

41 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

The 144,000 is only a Metaphor for ALL ISRAEL. It will actually be in the Millions since 1/3 of the Jews REPENT, the 12 x 12 x 12 only means ALL ISRAEL. The number 12 represents fullness, thus 12 x 12 x 12 = ALL ISRAEL will be Saved just like Paul who quoted Isaiah said.  NOTICE: The Angel hold back the Four Wind that it hurts not Sea, Trees nor the Earth until the 144,000 are sealed. Well all this means is God orders the Angels not to bring the Plagues upon the earth, trees and seas until Israel escapes to Petra. Rev. ch 18:4 is the same event. Come out of her my people that ye receive not of her plagues is God yelling Israel to Flee unto Petra that she receives not of Babylon's (The Whole World) Plagues. 

The Church is with Christ, read Rev. ch. 19. We stop by and get the Jews from Petra on our way to kick the Beasts behind. 

The REMNANT CHURCH is seen in Rev. 12:17, they are the Saints who came to Christ after the Rapture, thus they are the BEHEADED, Israel are PROTECTED, thus the Dragon gets angry when he can't get at the Woman (Israel) and goes after the REMNANT which only means a small part of something that is left. 

I see the 144,000 differently then most.  I think they are just a remnant of Israel and the Bride of Christ, the most faithful.  I think the greater Israel is represented with the Multitude of Saints.  

I think that the Woman of Rev 12, The 144k and the 2 witnesses are all the same group.  I know many think the 2 witnesses are Enoch and Elijah but God said that Israel is his witnesses.  The 2 witnesses are also represented by the 2 olive trees like Israel is represented as an olive tree.

How does one witness that is Israel and one olive tree become two?   Israel was split up into two kingdoms or two witnesses.  The Southern Kingdom/Judah and the Northern Kingdom/Joseph.  I believe the woman in rev 12 is the church where the church is symbolically a women.  Also her offspring/the multitude are persecuted while the women just like the 2 witnesses are protected for 3.5 years.  Lastly the 144k are also sealed.  I believe that is because they are all the same group.

 

Anyway time will tell. I know we all see things in a different light.

 

God Bless,

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8 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

... just like I stated that is replacement theology

In Christianity, supersessionism(replacement theology) is a theological view on the current status of the church in relation to the Jewish people and Judaism. It holds that the Christian Church has succeeded the Israelites as the definitive people of God.

  1.  Charry ET. Supersessionism. in Green JB, Lapsley J, Miles R, Verhey A (editors). Dictionary of Scripture and Ethics. Baker Academic, 2011. ISBN 9780801034060
  2.  Carroll, James. Constantine’s Sword: The Church and the Jews. Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 2001. Print. p. 58
  3. Johnson LT. Christians and Jews: Starting Over - Why the Real Dialogue Has Just Begun. Commonweal magazine. January 31, 2003. [1]

It's not really the point but I just thought I should clear this up.

So...

1 Peter 4.

"17 For the time [is come] that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if [it] first [begin] at us,"

This really puts the fate of pretrib in doubt of core validity. To "wrath" we are not appointed, however judgement begins with us. Peter is identifying with the body of Christ here. 'Us'. The church which Peter helped grow tells us the time has come when judgment 'must begin' in God's own house. In God's house. The true home of the Lord, the body of believers both individual and corporate. And this is not a judgment already ongoing, as in 'has begin' or 'is now'; 'must begin' is future tense. Peter tells us the day is coming when the church will be judged. And this is in context of salvation. "18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved,", says the apostle. The fragment could read, "...forasmuch as the innocent are saved with difficulty...". It's also in the context of the fiery trial that Peter speaks to in verse 12 in that this fiery trial is not the judgment that 'must begin' at the house of God. 

The beast is coming for the church as the purifying fire to cleanse the sanctuary.

 

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9 hours ago, Brother Duke said:

I think the 1st half of the 70th week is over and was completed when Christ died and was resurrected.

I have heard this before many times. It's never been explained through scriptural evidence but mostly by, 'I believe..." 

Do you have any scripture to show this could be the case?

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1 hour ago, Diaste said:

I have heard this before many times. It's never been explained through scriptural evidence but mostly by, 'I believe..." 

Do you have any scripture to show this could be the case?

 Daniel 9:256-27 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

I believe the he in Daniel 9:27 is Christ.  Christ confirmed the new covenant in the 70th week.  In the middle of the week or 3.5 years into his ministry he was killed/cutoff and sacrifices were no longer needed. 

 

 

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But according to the prayer He taught, when He decided it, part of the weight for the decision, came from considering the prayers of His elects (2 Peter 3:12, Revelation 22:17, Revelation 22:20, Matthew 6:13, Luke 18:1-8). Exactly as in other situations, He gave importance and weight to the will of his disciples and prophets, when aligned to His will” Q: “Are Christians praying this prayer exempt to contribute to society, and to spend their lives serving others until the Lord come?” A: “Absolutely not. A real Christian will follow all Jesus words,not only ones about prayer,respect the laws of his country, and will spend His life helping other people, so that when the Lord will come, he will find him ready.” (Matthew 24:45-51) “Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Q: “Will shortening the return of the Lord prevent some people from salvation?” A: “First off, remember that there will never be a moment on earth in which everyone will be Christian, before the rapture. It is not written anywhere. On the contrary, it is written about an increasingly diminishing of faith. Moreover, people who haven’t met Christ but are seeking for the Truth in their hearts, and are loving their brothers, will be likely raptured too. Exactly as some other righteous people like Socrates, will be raised in the last day, while evil people who are not seeking for repentance because they don’t have the seed of repentance in their hearts, will be left. Therefore, there is no such risk in shortening the day. Otherwise, the Lord wouldn’t have taught us this prayer.” Q:”What about theological and philosophical implications of this event Why someone is taken and someone else left?” A: “These are not treated here. They will be treated in other works, and some wise pastors will be able to answer this, by following the Scriptures” 8 – An unprecedented event If most Christian living today will share this intention, and pray together for it, this will be an unprecedented even in the history of the world. If the rapture happened centuries ago, it would have likely remained unexplained and not testified everywhere. But nowadays, thanks to technologies and to the Gospel spread everywhere, it will be testified to people of all nations, and everyone will know what happened. Now, our hope is that some wise Christian, who spent their lifes in the hope of Jesus’ Return, will actively spread this prayer and this intention among other pastors and Christians, so that all of us may be reunited under the Lord’s prayer, and pray together, with full intention and understanding and without the usual countless distractions and desires: Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy Name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day the bread of the Day that is coming. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Maranatha. Our Lord, come!  
      9 - SOURCES:
      http://learnbibleprophecy.blogspot.it/2010/12/come-lord-jesus-maranatha.html
      https://www.oneplace.com/ministries/love-worth-finding/read/articles/can-we-hasten-the-second-coming-of-christ-15204.html
      http://www.whatsaiththescripture.com/Timeline/Hastening.Lords.Return.html
      http://christianteaching.org.uk/blog/eschatology/hastening-the-return-of-christ/#comment-32538
      http://folkslisten.blogspot.it/2010/06/can-i-speed-up-return-of-jesus.html
      https://nathanaelflock.wordpress.com/2013/06/17/scriptural-conviction-hastening-the-day-of-the-lord/
      http://quailandmanna.com/god-justice/
      https://peteenns.com/why-jesus-hasnt-come-back-yet-according-to-the-new-testament/
      http://ifollowjesusnow.tk/hastening-ready-day-lord/
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIdjGyMTAds
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM67orv8VkYF
      PDF:
      maranatha.pdf
    • By Omegaman 3.0
      Daily Reading 36 If you prefer, you can look up the following verses in your own Bible, of by whatever means and in whatever version you choose. Hebrews 1 Genesis 45:1-46:27 Psalm 36 Audio 2:15 Audio 4:10 Audio 1:29 The above addresses are linked to Bible Gateway. That is an easy way to read (or listen to) the Bible verses, and choose your version.  Personally, I prefer written, that way I can go at my own pace, on think about it, before moving on. Nothing wrong with doing either or both. The Bible says faith comes by hearing. See the picture below to get an idea of what to expect if you follow the above links.

      Note: The audio will not play the exact verses, it will play the whole chapters, in which the verses exist.
      Thank you Lord for making the your word so accessible for us in these times. Amen

    • By Living Stone
      God is the great revealer, Satan is the great concealer
      Man gave control over the world to Satan, at the beginning, through disobedience to God,
      God created all angels (disembodied spirit beings) and humans (spirits living in a physical body) with a freewill, the ability to choose, a will that is free to make decisions independent from Him. Satan and a third of the angels were cast out of heaven when they chose to rebel against God. Man transferred his God given dominion over the world to Satan in the Garden of Eden the moment he chose to hear and obey the devil’s words over the words he had heard from God. From that moment Satan became the god or ruler of this world and the source of all the evil that influences the lives of most of the human race. This is why in the temptations of Jesus, Satan could legitimately boast that “The kingdoms of the world …this has been delivered to me” (Luke 4:5-6 - and Jesus didn’t refute Satan’s claim).
      1 John 5:19 We know positively that we are of God, and the whole world around us is under the power of the evil one (Satan). AMP
      2 Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world (Satan) has blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. KJV
      Eph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this world's darkness, and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
      In the end Jesus takes back the dominion of the world from Satan,
      Rev 11:15 “The kingdoms of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.” ESV/KJV
      Satan, the concealer, does not want us to know if or how he operates in our lives,
      Now Satan’s kingdom is a kingdom of darkness, meaning he operates where there is no light or insufficient light from God, who is light, in men’s hearts to expose his activities. God’s word makes plain to those who have light that Satan has an enormous influence in the lives of all the unconverted and sadly in the lives of many of those converted to Christ but who do not currently walk in the light. But all of these who Satan constantly influences for evil are largely unaware that Satan exists let alone is a dominant factor in their lives. Why? Because Satan is the master deceiver, and able to remain anonymous in the lives of those with whom he proceeds to steal and to kill and to destroy (John 10:10). Hence:
      Luke 21:8 (Jesus) “Take heed that you not be deceived…”
      Gal 6:7 Do not be deceived…
      James 1:16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.
      These are multiple warnings, not to the world that is completely deceived, but to us Christians who also have the potential of likewise being deceived by the great deceiver:
      Isa 14:12-17 How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer…You who weakened the Nations…Who made the world as a wilderness And destroyed its cities, Who did not open the house of his prisoners.
      Rev 12:9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world…
      Eph 2:2-3 AMP In which at one time you walked habitually. You were following the course and fashion of this world…following the prince of the power of the air. You were obedient to and under the control of the demon spirit that still constantly works in the sons of disobedience…Among these we as well as you once lived and conducted ourselves in the passions of our flesh, our behavior governed by our corrupt and sensual nature, obeying the impulses of the flesh and the thoughts of the mind…we were then by nature children of God's wrath…like the rest of mankind.
      The extent of our ignorance of Satan’s operations shows how successful he’s been with us,
      The scripture makes clear that Christians were all once under the influence of Satan as everyone else is without exception and, we like they, did not know that we were. Why? Because this master concealer operates through thoughts that he imparts into our thought lives, that we in our ignorance falsely assume to be our own thoughts. These are what the scripture calls the fiery darts of the enemy, thoughts which only the faith that comes from an active, deepening relationship with God can extinguish or take captive.
      2 Cor 2:11 Lest Satan should take advantage of us; for we are not ignorant of his devices (the same greek word translated devices is translated as thought in)
      2 Cor 10:5 …Bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
      Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery(thought) darts of the wicked one.
      Satan’s principal weapons are thoughts, and are the major source of all evil in the world! Not just thoughts of overt wickedness, but also more subtle thoughts that have the superficial appearance of rightness about them. But they’re thoughts designed to divert us from a full surrender to Christ and to challenge the authority of God’s words to us, just like he did with Adam and Eve. Satan can’t force his will on us, for we have a will and a conscience, but if we don’t know how to discern his influence he’s bound to have some control in our thought lives, particularly with respect to God. It shouldn’t surprise us therefore to learn that Satan, as the great concealer, can disguise the nature of his thoughts so that they appear to us to be both truth and light:
      2 Cor 11:14 …Even Satan can disguise himself to look like an angel of light! TEV
      1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour (consume with his thoughts).
      What are some examples of Satan disguising himself and his thoughts, which he imparts to people, as right and illuminating thoughts? Since there is only one mediator between God and all men, Jesus Christ (1 Tim 2:5) Satan inspires all the other, seemingly right, religions to divert those he can deceive from becoming Christians. Then within the Church he sows the thought seeds of many, seemingly right, Christian teachings. But they are all false teachings that oppose God and keep Christians from being fully saved and eternally secure.
      1 Tim 4:1 Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that…some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons. NLT Therefore,
      1 Tim 4:16 Watch your life and doctrine (teaching) closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.
      He is able to get away with these deceptions because all of the false doctrines that contradict God, that he imparts through thoughts, like - “the inevitability of sin”; “God is in control anyway”; “I can’t lose my salvation” – These teachings all have a strong appeal to and give license to our sinful human nature,
      Inevitability of sin,
      1 Jn 3:8 The one who practices sin is of (belongs to) the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the (sin) works of the devil.
      Matt 1:21 …you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sin.
      Rm 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you… NKJV
      God in control,
      Matt 6:10 Your kingdom come, your will be done (because it is being hindered by the kingdom of darkness), on earth as it is in heaven.
      Can’t lose my salvation,
      Heb 6:4 …bring back to repentance those who were once enlightened, those who have experienced the good things of heaven and shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the power of the age to come, and who then turn away from God. NLT
      As Christians we do not have to be deceived, provided we grow and walk in God’s light,
      God has made it possible for every Christian to see through the deceptions of Satan and continue to walk in the light and not be snared by the subtle works of darkness. God’s two principal requirements to do this are: (1) A heart or spirit that remains tender toward God and receives daily the engrafting of more of God’s light giving words, and (2) A willingness to submit to and do God’s will and thereby remain under the leading and control of the Holy Spirit. Only such Christians as continue to hear and obey God’s voice, God speaking through His word and by His Spirit, and don’t listen to Satan’s thoughts or voice.
      John 10:4-5 And when He (The Chief Shepherd) brings out His own sheep...the sheep follow Him, for they know His voice. Yet they will by no means follow a stranger (Satan) but will flee from him for they do not know the voice (thoughts) of strangers...
      1 John 2:26-27 These things I have written to you (God’s word) concerning those who try to deceive you. But the anointing (Holy Spirit) which you have received from Him abides in you and…teaches you all things, and is true, and is not a lie…
      Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armor of God (your spirit clothed with the protective truth of God’s words), that you may be able to stand against the wiles (deceits) of the devil.
      In particular Satan imparts thoughts that contradict the true teaching that every believer in Christ needs to be baptized with and remain full of and under the control of the Holy Spirit. Because the Holy Spirit is the only One who can cause the word of God to become truth and light in the hearts of believers and so expose all of Satan’s works of darkness.
      Acts 19:2 Have you received the Holy Spirit since you believed?
      Matt 3:11 …He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit…
      Eph 5:18 …be filled (continually) with Spirit…
      Rm 8:14 …as many as are led (under the control of) by the Spirit, these are the children of God.
      Satan does not want to be known, but God wants to be known, He is the great revealer,
      1 Cor 2:9-14 ….No (natural) mind has conceived the things which God has prepared for those who love Him. But God has revealed them to us by His Spirit…that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God…But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God…nor can he know them, for they are spiritually discerned (revealed by God’s Spirit to a person’s re-born spirit).
      Matt 11:25 …Jesus answered and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes” (to those spiritually born again and willing to grow up in spirit).
      Col 1:26-27 The mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints. To them God willed to make known…this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
      Everywhere in scripture our loving and redeeming Father makes indisputably clear His eagerness to reveal Himself to the hearts or spirits, but not to the intellects, of anyone who will allow Him to do so. This of course is the absolute worst thing from Satan’s standpoint and he will do everything possible to conceal this truth. He wants to stop people becoming Christians, and then if they do, to stop them becoming true disciples of Christ. Since they, with Christ actively living in them, will make others of his captives into Christ’s disciples too. Although Jesus Christ defeated Satan at Calvary he still controls the world and most of the Church because of their ignorance of his devices. And what is God doing? He is regaining control one soul at a time, as each soul turns at His correction so that He can make Himself known to their hearts by the Holy Spirit and through His word.
      2 Tim 2:24-26 …the servant of the Lord must not strive (quarrel); but be gentle to all men (people), able to teach, patient, in meekness correcting them that oppose themselves; if perhaps God may grant them repentance unto the knowledge of the truth, And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. NKJV
      Prov 1:23 Turn at my rebuke; Surely I will pour out My Spirit on you; I will make My words known to you (to make you holy as He is holy and to expose the beguiling thoughts of Satan).
      Jn 16:33 Jesus, These things I have spoken unto you (the truths in this message!)…In the world you shall have tribulation (trouble, because of the world, our own flesh, and the Devil), but be of good cheer; I have overcome (All your enemies!)… NKJV
      Thank you Father for revealing the truth and for making a way for us to be more than conquerors, and to always triumph “in Christ”, Amen!
    • By Sharky and George
      I think that as Christian's, we too can be "in the spirit" like John in the book of Revelation.
      It is when you have a lot of faith and in this time a lot of God's revelations (things that will happen) come to us.
      The book of Revelation has this title because of this - it was revealed to John how things will be.
       
       
       
      A good way to get a lot of faith is to read your bible for a long period of time maybe an hour on an occasion - you cannot do this all the time but you should daily read your bible for shorter periods. Get an enjoyable version that is fun to encourage you to do this (I like the Message and/or the ESV - English Standard Version):
       
       
       
      Faith is our link to God so having a link in faith enables Him to reveal things to us through what is like a telephone line that has been setup.
      Read your favourite bible version and pray to God like you are having a conversation with Him whilst you are having a coffee - who knows, you might end up having a chat, coming closer to someone who loves you more than you could ever know and therefore making Him very happy.
      Make sure you use wisdom with your faith though so you can discern away mis-leading spirits that may effect the conversation. This is noise and interference on the telephone line.
       
       
       
      Shalom  
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