Heb 13:8 Posted July 29, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 29, 2018 7 hours ago, iamlamad said: Part of the problem is that you are using terms not used in the bible - so they are foreign to the readers. In fact, foreign even to all the commentators. ? https://www.unsealed.org/2017/08/conservative-scholars-agree-male-child.html Quote Tell us: was there 9 months between when Jesus breathed on them and said, "receive the Holy Spirit" to the day of Pentecost? Iam, Jupiter in Virgo's womb for 9 months is symbolism for the birth of the church 2000 years later. It's just a part of the sign, similar to how scripture describes the 70th week as a woman in labor... Isa 26:17-21 As a pregnant woman about to give birth writhes and cries out in her pain, so were we in your presence, Lord. 18We were with child, we writhed in labor, but we gave birth to wind. We have not brought salvation to the earth, and the people of the world have not come to life. 19But your dead will live, Lord; their bodies will rise— let those who dwell in the dust wake up and shout for joy— your dew is like the dew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead. 20Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by. 21See, the Lord is coming out of his dwelling to punish the people of the earth for their sins. The earth will disclose the blood shed on it; the earth will conceal its slain no longer. Jer 30:6-7 Ask and see: Can a man bear children? Then why do I see every strong man with his hands on his stomach like a woman in labor, every face turned deathly pale? 7How awful that day will be! No other will be like it. It will be a time of trouble for Jacob, but he will be saved out of it. 1 Thess 5:3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. Quote I don't think so. I think following the text is far wiser than coming up with new terms. John used the term "born again" as the time they were placed into the body of Christ on earth. Then in Acts 1 & 2, Luke calls this being or receiving the mighty baptism in the Holy Spirit - the anointing and endowment of power for ministry. "Born again", which is a reference to individual conception of the seed placed in the believer. The terms have always been there, it's just up to us to un-condition ourselves. Even Paul felt abnormally born in 1 Cor 15:8. God bless. Quote Sorry, but I cannot find your idea of conception when related to the church. If your theory is true, then there MUST be scripture to prove it. That will be difficult if the bible does not use the same terms. IAM, I have given you scripture upon scripture that relates to the body of Christ being in gestation. Are you reading or just discarding? Isa 53:11 - Jesus body in travail Rom 8:22-25 - the body of Christ groans for their resurrected bodies 1 Cor 15:8 - Paul feels abnormally born without resurrected body 1 Cor 15:50-54/2 Cor 5:1-5 - Mortal/Immortal/Swallowed up 2 Cor 5:1-5 - the body of Christ groans for their resurrected bodies Gal 4:19 - Paul relates travail in birth to not being formed yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted August 7, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.09 Reputation: 688 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 7, 2018 On 7/29/2018 at 3:13 PM, Heb 13:8 said: ? https://www.unsealed.org/2017/08/conservative-scholars-agree-male-child.html Iam, Jupiter in Virgo's womb for 9 months is symbolism for the birth of the church 2000 years later. It's just a part of the sign, similar to how scripture describes the 70th week as a woman in labor... Isa 26:17-21 As a pregnant woman about to give birth writhes and cries out in her pain, so were we in your presence, Lord. 18We were with child, we writhed in labor, but we gave birth to wind. We have not brought salvation to the earth, and the people of the world have not come to life. 19But your dead will live, Lord; their bodies will rise— let those who dwell in the dust wake up and shout for joy— your dew is like the dew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead. 20Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by. 21See, the Lord is coming out of his dwelling to punish the people of the earth for their sins. The earth will disclose the blood shed on it; the earth will conceal its slain no longer. Jer 30:6-7 Ask and see: Can a man bear children? Then why do I see every strong man with his hands on his stomach like a woman in labor, every face turned deathly pale? 7How awful that day will be! No other will be like it. It will be a time of trouble for Jacob, but he will be saved out of it. 1 Thess 5:3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. "Born again", which is a reference to individual conception of the seed placed in the believer. The terms have always been there, it's just up to us to un-condition ourselves. Even Paul felt abnormally born in 1 Cor 15:8. God bless. IAM, I have given you scripture upon scripture that relates to the body of Christ being in gestation. Are you reading or just discarding? Isa 53:11 - Jesus body in travail Rom 8:22-25 - the body of Christ groans for their resurrected bodies 1 Cor 15:8 - Paul feels abnormally born without resurrected body 1 Cor 15:50-54/2 Cor 5:1-5 - Mortal/Immortal/Swallowed up 2 Cor 5:1-5 - the body of Christ groans for their resurrected bodies Gal 4:19 - Paul relates travail in birth to not being formed yet I will agree that the rapture event will be corporate: all those IN CHRIST (and with no sin exposed) will be caught up together with the dead in Christ. However, God does not use this term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted August 7, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 7, 2018 5 hours ago, iamlamad said: I will agree that the rapture event will be corporate: all those IN CHRIST (and with no sin exposed) will be caught up together with the dead in Christ. However, God does not use this term. with no sin exposed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted August 7, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.09 Reputation: 688 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 7, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said: with no sin exposed? Can you imagine that God would allow sin into heaven? For example, NO believer holding unforgiveness in their heart will be raptured. NO sin will be allowed into heaven! Sin under the blood is no longer sin, it is GONE as far as East is from the West! Edited August 7, 2018 by iamlamad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted August 8, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 8, 2018 34 minutes ago, iamlamad said: Can you imagine that God would allow sin into heaven? For example, NO believer holding unforgiveness in their heart will be raptured. NO sin will be allowed into heaven! Sin under the blood is no longer sin, it is GONE as far as East is from the West! iam, Jesus Christ paid for past/present/future sins, Rom 8:38-39. NON-OSAS is false. God wants a relationship, not a Pharisee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted August 8, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.09 Reputation: 688 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 8, 2018 11 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said: iam, Jesus Christ paid for past/present/future sins, Rom 8:38-39. NON-OSAS is false. God wants a relationship, not a Pharisee. This is not a thread on OSAS. All I will say is, millions of educated believers don't believe it. And for good scriptural reasons. For example, what did Jesus say about unforgiveness? He said if we don't forgive, then He can't forgive. Some people imagine the sin of holding unforgiveness will be allowed into heaven. They don't know about Pastor Daniel Ekechukwu who had a terrible fight with his wife, drove off angry plotting how he could get even, then had an auto accident and died. An angel took him to see hell and told him if his book was closed that day, here (hell) was where he would be. Daniel immediately protested, but the angel told him that because he would not forgive his wife, God would not forgive him. The angels said he would be reaping what he was sowing - that one could not sow unforgiveness and the reap forgiveness from God. Thank God, his book was not closed, for his wife got friends to steal his dead body from his family, took it to a Reinhardt Boonke meeting, and he came back to his body. His wife's faith saved him from an eternity away from God. By the way, now he preaches very strongly against unforgiveness! We as believers must NOT hold grudges or not be willing to forgive. The cost will be an eternity away from God! Ultimately there is a God side to our salvation, and there is a man's side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENOCH2010 Posted August 8, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 907 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/07/1866 Share Posted August 8, 2018 1 hour ago, iamlamad said: This is not a thread on OSAS. All I will say is, millions of educated believers don't believe it. And for good scriptural reasons. For example, what did Jesus say about unforgiveness? He said if we don't forgive, then He can't forgive. Some people imagine the sin of holding unforgiveness will be allowed into heaven. They don't know about Pastor Daniel Ekechukwu who had a terrible fight with his wife, drove off angry plotting how he could get even, then had an auto accident and died. An angel took him to see hell and told him if his book was closed that day, here (hell) was where he would be. Daniel immediately protested, but the angel told him that because he would not forgive his wife, God would not forgive him. The angels said he would be reaping what he was sowing - that one could not sow unforgiveness and the reap forgiveness from God. Thank God, his book was not closed, for his wife got friends to steal his dead body from his family, took it to a Reinhardt Boonke meeting, and he came back to his body. His wife's faith saved him from an eternity away from God. By the way, now he preaches very strongly against unforgiveness! We as believers must NOT hold grudges or not be willing to forgive. The cost will be an eternity away from God! Ultimately there is a God side to our salvation, and there is a man's side. Wow she did the very thing the Bible says is impossible to do (the rich man and Lazrus ). Do you really be that lamad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamlamad Posted August 8, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,272 Content Per Day: 2.09 Reputation: 688 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 8, 2018 37 minutes ago, ENOCH2010 said: Wow she did the very thing the Bible says is impossible to do (the rich man and Lazrus ). Do you really be that lamad? All things are possible to those who believe: God had shown her the verse in Hebrews: "Women received their dead raised to life again..." She chose to believe it! In fact, there is a video of her husband coming back to life. Yes, of course I believe it! There is ample proof. But he is just one of several who have come back from the dead and wrote books about it! You might look up Gary L Wood. I have heard him tell his story and shook his hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heb 13:8 Posted August 9, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 35 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,533 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/03/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 9, 2018 14 hours ago, iamlamad said: This is not a thread on OSAS. All I will say is, millions of educated believers don't believe it. And for good scriptural reasons. For example, what did Jesus say about unforgiveness? He said if we don't forgive, then He can't forgive. Some people imagine the sin of holding unforgiveness will be allowed into heaven. They don't know about Pastor Daniel Ekechukwu who had a terrible fight with his wife, drove off angry plotting how he could get even, then had an auto accident and died. An angel took him to see hell and told him if his book was closed that day, here (hell) was where he would be. Daniel immediately protested, but the angel told him that because he would not forgive his wife, God would not forgive him. The angels said he would be reaping what he was sowing - that one could not sow unforgiveness and the reap forgiveness from God. Thank God, his book was not closed, for his wife got friends to steal his dead body from his family, took it to a Reinhardt Boonke meeting, and he came back to his body. His wife's faith saved him from an eternity away from God. By the way, now he preaches very strongly against unforgiveness! We as believers must NOT hold grudges or not be willing to forgive. The cost will be an eternity away from God! Ultimately there is a God side to our salvation, and there is a man's side. Well, since it's my thread OSAS is fine to discuss. What you're referring to is sanctification and discipline in our daily walk AFTER coming to faith, Heb 12:4-13. There's a reason why the gift of salvation is free and why we are saved not by works less any man boast. So many trying to enter the kingdom through works and not belief in the finished work of the cross, Matt 7:22-23. It's very sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted August 9, 2018 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted August 9, 2018 On 8/7/2018 at 7:45 PM, iamlamad said: Can you imagine that God would allow sin into heaven? For example, NO believer holding unforgiveness in their heart will be raptured. NO sin will be allowed into heaven! Sin under the blood is no longer sin, it is GONE as far as East is from the West! All who have died are in Heaven,heck even satan is there.The question is on what side of the gulf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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