Can a woman lay hands on a man in prayer?

[enoob57]

13 hours ago, naominash said:

Yes, but I personally wouldn't. I have noticed there are some things a younger woman in the congregation can not get away with without causing suspicion. 

There's something to "avoiding the appearance of evil" that I think would please the Lord more than if I had an attitude of, " I can get away with this because I'm beyond temptation or giving off the wrong appearance." 

Same with the genders reversed. I wouldn't expect a young man in ministry to lay hands on me. Maybe not even an older man. 

Ministering closely to people of the same gender, in my opinion, honors the fact that male and female are created equal but differently.

Plus, I have had a terrible experience with someone "ministering" to me in a way that was really creepy. No one ought to use ministry as a way to approach someone of the opposite sex. 

If it were same sex ministering only, that could have been avoided.

There is enough substance in God's Word to understand the avoidance of contact all together:
Take heed any man that think he stands
Older women to younger
not good for man to touch a woman
avoid appearance of evil
marriage is a unit of acceptance and no where else
Thought is same as action
etc... remembering always this

1 Cor 10:12

12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
KJV

the thought is we cannot stand while in flesh but must on guard against it's wiles 24-7...

Rom 13:12-14

12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.

14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
KJV

Rom 7:18-21

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
KJV
 

[enoob57]

42 minutes ago, *Zion* said:

This is the problem I have with the guy that I mentioned that goes to my church.  I guess it is less a spiritual thing than it is an 'appearance of evil' thing after all

Speak to him Sis and tell him your convictions in Christ and if he continues take him to the leadership of the body!

[*Zion*]

5 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

Speak to him Sis and tell him your convictions in Christ and if he continues take him to the leadership of the body!

Our pastor knows about it, I have no idea if he's talking to him about it or not.  All I know is that he's not part of the ministering team at church, these prayer times happen apparently as a result of personal evangelism :S creepier than in a church setting, if you ask me.  He's married and everything.  Smh.

[enoob57]

Just now, *Zion* said:

Our pastor knows about it, I have no idea if he's talking to him about it or not.  All I know is that he's not part of the ministering team at church, these prayer times happen apparently as a result of personal evangelism :S creepier than in a church setting, if you ask me.  He's married and everything.  Smh.

If it continues ask the Pastor to sit down with you and him … communication is necessary on all sides of this issue and your desire in this matter of not being touched is foremost in outcome! It is your right by God to be touched only when you say it is acceptable and this is Scriptural to the n^th degree!
A violation of this principle in any form is the first step toward rape...

[*Zion*]

He has never come near me, it's the unbelievers that he evanglises to that get the brunt.  Even after he got married.  This may be a matter of deliverance, not just general prayer.

[enoob57]

Just now, *Zion* said:

He has never come near me, it's the unbelievers that he evanglises to that get the brunt.  Even after he got married.  This may be a matter of deliverance, not just general prayer.

Then this matter falls here

Rom 14:5

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
KJV

we must now let what is right personally to you be transferred to those women you observe... we cannot judge another in this matter unless Biblical guidelines are being ignored...

Rom 14:10-12

10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
KJV
 

[*Zion*]

1 minute ago, enoob57 said:

Then this matter falls here

Rom 14:5

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
KJV

we must now let what is right personally to you be transferred to those women you observe... we cannot judge another in this matter unless Biblical guidelines are being ignored...

Rom 14:10-12

10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
KJV
 

I agree, it's just the appearance of evil that everyone perceives from him.  I really hope it is a misjudgment on our part.  Unfortunately, first impressions do tend to stick, but again, God knows the heart. 

[enoob57]

13 minutes ago, *Zion* said:

I agree, it's just the appearance of evil that everyone perceives from him.  I really hope it is a misjudgment on our part.  Unfortunately, first impressions do tend to stick, but again, God knows the heart. 

Be careful of gossip... go to this man in cleanness of heart and talk with him:
We are frail both in presumption and assumption and by God we are called to love one another... it would be an individual responsibility to communicate, to this one, of the struggle within oneself that their actions are causing. If one comes in the Love of God in s/Spirit and communicates to their brother- what is in that brother will be revealed to be either of the light or darkness. Edification of another belongs to God alone; we can only be part an parcel with by use of The Spirit of us  

Edited July 31, 2018 by enoob57

[*Zion*]

Steven, this isn't a recent occurrence.  I have actually talked to him about his behaviour; he doesn't see anything offensive about it.   Our pastor deals with it by lobbying lots of passive aggressive jokes at him, to no avail.  To be honest, i have left this man to God, and while his behaviour may still irk me, it wasn't the main factor i considered while making my original post.  I wanted to approach this from a purely spiritual perspective, but after what has been said in response, I don't know if there is a way to do that.

[Willie T]

11 hours ago, LadyKay said:

Okay how did this go from laying on hands in prayer to ...well....this? A sad state of things I say. ?

Would you not consider sexual deviancies, or the results of such Satan-intended perversions of God's plan for man, to be something quite important for us to pray for and to do all we can to heal in our society?

The tougher and "dirty" things that exist in this life are not places and times where we should hide our heads and pretend that as Christians, they are just beneath us getting our hands dirty by stooping to help if it is at all possible... or even fearing admitting they are all around us and need to be addressed.  Jesus reached right out and embraced a leper, one of the most "taboo" things He ever did in that society.  He went into a graveyard to heal a naked raving lunatic that the entire society of "good people" shunned and ignored... as though he really wasn't there.