Clear The Shelters!

[Debp]

7 minutes ago, Sevenseas said:

 

oh ouch

 

while I can agree with the sentiment, I ask if they cannot pay the standard fee for adoption..which is really already pretty low...can they pay for the upkeep, vet visits, food etc for the animal they adopt?

 

believe me my heart is with you as far as shelter animals go but the problem still seems to be reproduction and increasing numbers of entire litters of puppies in shelters.....I follow several rescue groups on fb so this is a fair statement

I happen to have 2 of the breeds most often found in shelters and it is heartbreaking if you love animals...I do and dogs in particular

I agree with adopt don't shop as a good motto...but I do have 2 rescued and 2 bought.  

it's an awful problem...and I've read that perfectly fine animals are put down to make room for more 'strays' or left off unwanted pets

I guess I'm not really solving any problems here...I think it would be fair to say this is somewhat of a multifaceted problem and begins possibly with not enough consequences for mistreatment, abandoning cats or dogs and so on

Here in Los Angeles the city shelters and rescue groups don't allow an unspayed or unneutered animal to leave the shelters.   They spay/neuter them very young, if they are adopted.   They realized even if some people say they will spay/neuter, some people don't follow through.

Also, L.A. encourages foster care volunteers to help when the shelters are overcrowded.  This clears up space.  Recently there were 3 cases of animal hoarding so it overwhelmed the city shelters....so the news put out a call for foster volunteers.   I think you have to complete a class to become a foster helper.

Recently some shelter pets were also flown to another State that needed pets.   Volunteer pilots help with this.

[Neighbor]

4 hours ago, Yowm said:

we are not all socially/physically/mentally privileged people. I lived in San Pedro too and that was a cakewalk compared to some other areas I have lived in here.

Ha. As they say,  why even some of my friends are Los  Angelites.

Yown I know there are very lovely individuals at the City of Angeles and the area. I just don't know why. Why stay?

Why LA stretches all the way to Thousand Oaks and Riverside, maybe even San Bernadino now. People commute through the places people used to commute from to get to work at Los Angeles.

I spent twenty years penalized there in two separate stretches, have two tear tattoos representing LA.

 

Edited August 20, 2018 by Neighbor

[Neighbor]

Back to four legged critters.

BTW Smudge has made an appearance today. It is such a skinny little kitty,  it approached to where I had let it food before. So I put some more out, it first went away  but came back to see what was left. It ate and drank and just laid down., didn't seem to be resting so much as was exhausted. It  will sit at the door looking in, but has no trust if the door handle is turned. Our own cat is having none of this. We are having to teach it not to go all nutso into a screeching howling fit because of this other cat. Lots of fun that effort.  Two Feral cats, oh boy-

Anyway Smudge got some food and water. We will be working on getting it to to some better health and seeing if we can get her calmed and receptive to humans, then who knows maybe the human society if we can't find someone that will want it.

Edited August 21, 2018 by Neighbor

[Fidei Defensor]

18 hours ago, Debp said:

Animal lovers:  This might be an idea one of your TV news stations might do in order to help reduce the numbers of cats, dogs and other animals at the city shelters.

Here in L.A., our channel 4 news does a regular "clear the shelters" event.   We just had one on August 18.   All of the pets' adoption fees are reduced to $20 and the news reporters keep encouraging people to adopt.  They also go to various city animal shelters and videotape the animals and their new families.

Channel 4 has been doing this since 2015 and over 231,000 pets have been adopted!

“For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God,” (Romans 8:19), and, “You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 3:26).

Could pet adoption and our efforts to help wildlife be the fulfillment of Romans 8:19? That at last the animals are seeing us, the sons and daughters of God revealed?  

[Debp]

5 hours ago, Neighbor said:

Back to four legged critters.

BTW Smudge has made an appearance today. It is such a skinny little kitty,  it approached to where I had let it food before. So I put some more out, it first went away  but came back to see what was left. It ate and drank and just laid down., didn't seem to be resting so much as was exhausted. It  will sit at the door looking in, but has no trust if the door handle is turned. Our own cat is having none of this. We are having to teach it not to go all nutso into a screeching howling fit because of this other cat. Lots of fun that effort.  Two Feral cats, oh boy-

Anyway Smudge got some food and water. We will be working on getting it to to some better health and seeing if we can get her calmed and receptive to humans, then who knows maybe the human society if we can't find someone that will want it.

That's great, Neighbor, you are helping Smudge.   Usually once the cats get used to the scent of each other, they will adjust to each other.  It just takes a little time.... hopefully just several days.

Funny thing happening in our big underground garage.    Someone has been setting out food and water by one of the cars.  What makes it funny is that they first put out a small scratch post by the dishes.   Then a few days later one of those incline scratchers appeared, too!   I never see the cat...it must hear the elevator or people and hide.

Years ago I fed some stray cats in front of the building.   But I also fed a couple in the underground garage.  But I fed them in the back late at night trying not to be seen.  But whoever is feeding the cat now is in plain view of the security cameras!   They are braver than me....with this crazy management, they might look for any reason to evict in order to charge more rent!

Btw, the reason I go down to the garage is that I need to dump the trash there.   The crazy management got mad at us tenants this year, locked all of the trash chutes and told us all to take it downstairs to the garage dumpsters.

 

[Fidei Defensor]

6 minutes ago, Debp said:

That's great, Neighbor, you are helping Smudge.   Usually once the cats get used to the scent of each other, they will adjust to each other.  It just takes a little time.... hopefully just several days.

Funny thing happening in our big underground garage.    Someone has been setting out food and water by one of the cars.  What makes it funny is that they first put out a small scratch post by the dishes.   Then a few days later one of those incline scratchers appeared, too!   I never see the cat...it must hear the elevator or people and hide.

Years ago I fed some stray cats in front of the building.   But I also fed a couple in the underground garage.  But I fed them in the back late at night trying not to be seen.  But whoever is feeding the cat now is in plain view of the security cameras!   They are braver than me....with this crazy management, they might look for any reason to evict in order to charge more rent!

Btw, the reason I go down to the garage is that I need to dump the trash there.   The crazy management got mad at us tenants this year, locked all of the trash chutes and told us all to take it downstairs to the garage dumpsters.

 

Sounds like the management at the apartments I lived in, except they added Persecution of anyone who was Christian and Catholic. I foundmyself joining our brothers and sisters in China and Syria in Persecution. Suffice to say, it made me better understand this verse, “Now if we are children, then we are heirs--heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.” (Romans 8:17). 

I feel sorry for the cats in the garage, however, from the management’s point of view it can be nightmare if more than one cat gets in garage and breeds. I saw a show where a whole house was taken over by 200-500 cats and it wasn’t pretty; rescuers went in and it took a day to get them all out. 

[Debp]

11 minutes ago, Fidei Defensor said:

Sounds like the management at the apartments I lived in, except they added Persecution of anyone who was Christian and Catholic. I foundmyself joining our brothers and sisters in China and Syria in Persecution. Suffice to say, it made me better understand this verse, “Now if we are children, then we are heirs--heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.” (Romans 8:17). 

I feel sorry for the cats in the garage, however, from the management’s point of view it can be nightmare if more than one cat gets in garage and breeds. I saw a show where a whole house was taken over by 200-500 cats and it wasn’t pretty; rescuers went in and it took a day to get them all out. 

When I fed the stray cats years ago, I got them all spayed and neutered with the help of a rescue volunteer.  Then through the years they got adopted, died or moved on.   So now I don't see any... although I know they are around.

Our underground garages are open-air....that is, the iron gates have spaces wide enough for any cats to go in and out.

If I ever find out who is feeding the stray, I'll tell them about the free spaying and neutering that is available in Los Angeles.   It's free, even for ferals.

P.S.  This management took over three years ago and has done plenty of crazy stuff.   You wouldn't believe some of it.

[Fidei Defensor]

5 minutes ago, Debp said:

When I fed the stray cats years ago, I got them all spayed and neutered with the help of a rescue volunteer.  Then through the years they got adopted, died or moved on.   So now I don't see any... although I know they are around.

Our underground garages are open-air....that is, the iron gates have spaces wide enough for any cats to go in and out.

If I ever find out who is feeding the stray, I'll tell them about the free spaying and neutering that is available in Los Angeles.   It's free, even for ferals.

P.S.  This management took over three years ago and has done plenty of crazy stuff.   You wouldn't believe some of it.

I see, then there is no feasible way to keep cats out of underground garage. In that case it might not become a problem. 

I surmise they ceased letting you use garbage shoots because they didn’t want to haul the garage. Ugh. 

Are you spending much to be at this apartment? 

[Sevenseas]

17 hours ago, Debp said:

Here in Los Angeles the city shelters and rescue groups don't allow an unspayed or unneutered animal to leave the shelters.   They spay/neuter them very young, if they are adopted.   They realized even if some people say they will spay/neuter, some people don't follow through.

Also, L.A. encourages foster care volunteers to help when the shelters are overcrowded.  This clears up space.  Recently there were 3 cases of animal hoarding so it overwhelmed the city shelters....so the news put out a call for foster volunteers.   I think you have to complete a class to become a foster helper.

Recently some shelter pets were also flown to another State that needed pets.   Volunteer pilots help with this.

 

as far as I know, all animals leaving shelters are neutered.  I agree that should be done before they are adopted out.  there is a problem there though that cannot be solved ... apparently, new research is revealing that it is better not to neuter so young as the dogs need the hormones for protection from cancers and other things as well.

that research is noteworthy in light of the almost epidemic cancers in dogs.  so it's kind of a catch 22 situation...but I agree that a shelter should always neuter whether the animal is young or not

some rescue groups do have a network for getting a dog across the country but not all.  I wanted to adopt a Husky from a rescue group in LA (which is overflowing with huskies) but they didn't network so that fell through.

 

yeah I've read about the rescue pilots...good things going on for dogs

[Debp]

17 hours ago, Fidei Defensor said:

I see, then there is no feasible way to keep cats out of underground garage. In that case it might not become a problem. 

I surmise they ceased letting you use garbage shoots because they didn’t want to haul the garage. Ugh. 

Are you spending much to be at this apartment? 

Some people on the first floor left trash bags laying when the trash chutes got jammed full of garbage.   All the management needed to do was to keep the chutes clear.....like our wonderful old manager did (they got rid of him, he was a Christian and did EVERYTHING around the building).   Now these new managers only collect rent checks and call for a maintenance problem.   We had 8 or 9 managers the last three years after this new company took over.

Yes, we pay alot, nearly $1200 a month for one bedroom....but that is very, very cheap for Los Angeles.

 

12 hours ago, Sevenseas said:

 

as far as I know, all animals leaving shelters are neutered.  I agree that should be done before they are adopted out.  there is a problem there though that cannot be solved ... apparently, new research is revealing that it is better not to neuter so young as the dogs need the hormones for protection from cancers and other things as well.

that research is noteworthy in light of the almost epidemic cancers in dogs.  so it's kind of a catch 22 situation...but I agree that a shelter should always neuter whether the animal is young or not

some rescue groups do have a network for getting a dog across the country but not all.  I wanted to adopt a Husky from a rescue group in LA (which is overflowing with huskies) but they didn't network so that fell through.

 

yeah I've read about the rescue pilots...good things going on for dogs

My neighbor went to the shelter with his nephew as his nephew wanted to get a dog.   Someone threw a beautiful husky or Malamute through the shelter door.   She is beautiful and so loving.   Anyhow, my neighbor grabbed her by the collar and took her home!  She just adores my neighbor....her name is Mala....she loves me, too.