God Couldn’t Become A Rabbi: Jesus Doesn’t Get Accepted to College

[Fidei Defensor]

7 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

I don't think we can call that an ordination...   Jesus was baptized in order to identify with us as our representative before God.

True, but the placing of hands on a person by a priest made Kong’s and priests. David had Samuel announce my him and place hands on Him. Abraham, Issac, and Jacob placed hands on their sons to confer the authority. Of course Jesus’ authority is God’s because He is God Incarnate (John 1:1-3, Colossians 2:8-9, Phillipians 2:2-11, Hebrews 1:1-23). Still Jesus also covered the base by having John lay hands on Him and the Father and Holy Spirit laid hands on Jesus, thus Jesus had the other two of the Godhead and The Cohen priest lay hands on him showing His authority to be greatest (see Jesus the Bridegroom: The Greatest Love Story, by Brant Pitre. Potter studies the Jewish Roots). 

[Willa]

One pastor graduated cuma sum Louda of his class in seminary, but he was not born again and couldn't understand what makes a genuine Christian "tick";  he didn't believe the Apostles Creed so he rewrote it to fit his unbelief and had us repeat his version in church.   One pastor finally obtained a BA in Bible School and became proudful, erring from the truth.   One led the president of his seminary to the Lord.

One had a full ride scholarship to Harvard but turned it down, got in a couple of years at a local college and became self taught.  His well read library contains all the greats in theology, from Ironside and Spurgeon to Pink, as well as books by Andrew Murray, Jonathan Edwards, Simpson, Torry, Tozer, Finny, Wesley, Moody and Edersheim.  He also reads church history and systematic theology.  Moreover, he is the best Bible teacher I have encountered because he depends on the Holy Spirit to guide him and inspire him.   

I have to agree that the last 20 years have turned colleges into propaganda machines in which you will be flunked if you disagree.  When I was in college I was applauded for my arguments and evaluations.  Not so today.  One student was told she would flunk if she were still a Christian by the end of his humanities class.  That is not even touching on the Marxist political Science classes.  Then there is the exorbitant cost of higher education.

If rabbinical school were anything like what higher education is like today, I suspect Jesus would have cleansed it like He cleansed the Temple.   Not everyone can afford private Christians colleges.  And even they are being threatened by losing their state credentials if they don't teach all the gay marriage and gender trash that is politically correct.  

I am glad there are those who are graduating from universities today and are managing to do so debt free and still maintain their Christian identity and integrity.  Not all are able to do so and a growing number find it repugnant to do so.

[Neighbor]

2 hours ago, Willa said:

One pastor graduated cuma sum Louda of his class in seminary, but he was not born again and couldn't understand what makes a genuine Christian "tick";  he didn't believe the Apostles Creed so he rewrote it to fit his unbelief and had us repeat his version in church.   One pastor finally obtained a BA in Bible School and became proudful, erring from the truth.   One led the president of his seminary to the Lord.

One had a full ride scholarship to Harvard but turned it down, got in a couple of years at a local college and became self taught.  His well read library contains all the greats in theology, from Ironside and Spurgeon to Pink, as well as books by Andrew Murray, Jonathan Edwards, Simpson, Torry, Tozer, Finny, Wesley, Moody and Edersheim.  He also reads church history and systematic theology.  Moreover, he is the best Bible teacher I have encountered because he depends on the Holy Spirit to guide him and inspire him.   

I have to agree that the last 20 years have turned colleges into propaganda machines in which you will be flunked if you disagree.  When I was in college I was applauded for my arguments and evaluations.  Not so today.  One student was told she would flunk if she were still a Christian by the end of his humanities class.  That is not even touching on the Marxist political Science classes.  Then there is the exorbitant cost of higher education.

If rabbinical school were anything like what higher education is like today, I suspect Jesus would have cleansed it like He cleansed the Temple.   Not everyone can afford private Christians colleges.  And even they are being threatened by losing their state credentials if they don't teach all the gay marriage and gender trash that is politically correct.  

I am glad there are those who are graduating from universities today and are managing to do so debt free and still maintain their Christian identity and integrity.  Not all are able to do so and a growing number find it repugnant to do so.

Seems a fair and reasoned assessment to me. Of course I have no way of calculating the real cost of the school of hard knocks in order to compare it with the cost of  a BA or a Masters degree from a good private college today either.

 

Ha, my own graduated debt free, - But I was  in debt by end of their college days. Without much help from incredibly generous grand parents they would have not gained their educations from those particular Colleges.

I too have often thought it might  have been better to give children a business opportunity over an education, but try to be self taught CPA or architect. Might be done I suppose, but not likely. Would I want a self taught personal physician? Doubt that too. So why will I want a self taught pastor/ elder/ personal counselor? I think I will continue to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit to  the body of Christ He will have me to be a part of, and then do my best to participate, and yes be obediently supportive of the body it's Elders pastors and teachers. That does take the shunning of personal pride at times.

The Holy Spirit has made it a bit easier for me maybe as my spiritual gift is helps. In general I get to push on a rope. Like Harry Truman and Ronald Reagan both said; You can get a lot done if you don't mind others getting the credit for it. So I try to give my pastors credit, give them support, allowing them more time  for  miscreants and other rascals who may need help even more than I. (LOL)

Edited August 24, 2018 by Neighbor

[Fidei Defensor]

3 hours ago, Willa said:

One pastor graduated cuma sum Louda of his class in seminary, but he was not born again and couldn't understand what makes a genuine Christian "tick";  he didn't believe the Apostles Creed so he rewrote it to fit his unbelief and had us repeat his version in church.   One pastor finally obtained a BA in Bible School and became proudful, erring from the truth.   One led the president of his seminary to the Lord.

One had a full ride scholarship to Harvard but turned it down, got in a couple of years at a local college and became self taught.  His well read library contains all the greats in theology, from Ironside and Spurgeon to Pink, as well as books by Andrew Murray, Jonathan Edwards, Simpson, Torry, Tozer, Finny, Wesley, Moody and Edersheim.  He also reads church history and systematic theology.  Moreover, he is the best Bible teacher I have encountered because he depends on the Holy Spirit to guide him and inspire him.   

I have to agree that the last 20 years have turned colleges into propaganda machines in which you will be flunked if you disagree.  When I was in college I was applauded for my arguments and evaluations.  Not so today.  One student was told she would flunk if she were still a Christian by the end of his humanities class.  That is not even touching on the Marxist political Science classes.  Then there is the exorbitant cost of higher education.

If rabbinical school were anything like what higher education is like today, I suspect Jesus would have cleansed it like He cleansed the Temple.   Not everyone can afford private Christians colleges.  And even they are being threatened by losing their state credentials if they don't teach all the gay marriage and gender trash that is politically correct.  

I am glad there are those who are graduating from universities today and are managing to do so debt free and still maintain their Christian identity and integrity.  Not all are able to do so and a growing number find it repugnant to do so.

Self taught seminary is the best. It keeps you from enter cementary.  

Jesus definitely seemed to avoid the prescribed ways because they beefed off course from the truth (Mark 7). However, it is curious the rabbis and chief religious class did not notice Jesus’ knowledge when He was a child at the temple teaching students, “Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the Feast of the Passover. 42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up according to custom. 43 And when the feast was ended, as they were returning, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem. His parents did not know it, 44 but supposing him to be in the group they went a day's journey, but then they began to search for him among their relatives and acquaintances, 45 and when they did not find him, they returned to Jerusalem, searching for him. 46 After three days they found him in the temple, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions.” (Luke 2:41-46). 

A good explanation why this didn’t lead to Jesus being out in Rabbinical school is a) the false reputation from Nazareth preceded Him or b) He didn’t want to go to Rabbinical school or c) both. 

[Guest shiloh357]

3 minutes ago, Fidei Defensor said:

Self taught seminary is the best. It keeps you from enter cementary.  

Not really.  Actually seminary  ( a good one) can be very beneficial. 

[Fidei Defensor]

14 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Not really.  Actually seminary  ( a good one) can be very beneficial. 

I know, I’ve been to seminary and I had excellent classes. One was life changed my life. However, there were other classes I had to confront with Scripture and my self studies (Books, facts from experts) in history: example the teacher said Muslims invented everything including Algebra; actually it was a Persian Christian who invented Algebra and Nestorian Christians who invented other forms of Mathematics.  

[Fidei Defensor]

On 8/24/2018 at 4:25 PM, Neighbor said:

Seems a fair and reasoned assessment to me. Of course I have no way of calculating the real cost of the school of hard knocks in order to compare it with the cost of  a BA or a Masters degree from a good private college today either.

 

Ha, my own graduated debt free, - But I was  in debt by end of their college days. Without much help from incredibly generous grand parents they would have not gained their educations from those particular Colleges.

I too have often thought it might  have been better to give children a business opportunity over an education, but try to be self taught CPA or architect. Might be done I suppose, but not likely. Would I want a self taught personal physician? Doubt that too. So why will I want a self taught pastor/ elder/ personal counselor? I think I will continue to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit to  the body of Christ He will have me to be a part of, and then do my best to participate, and yes be obediently supportive of the body it's Elders pastors and teachers. That does take the shunning of personal pride at times.

The Holy Spirit has made it a bit easier for me maybe as my spiritual gift is helps. In general I get to push on a rope. Like Harry Truman and Ronald Reagan both said; You can get a lot done if you don't mind others getting the credit for it. So I try to give my pastors credit, give them support, allowing them more time  for  miscreants and other rascals who may need help even more than I. (LOL)

It’s a conundrum, have a degree and they say “you need experience,” but if you have experience and no degree they say, “no degree, you can’t move up the ladder.” 

Jesus had both, He is God and so had definite experience but He also allowed John the Baptist to lay hands on Him and with Father and Spirit He was ordained.