God Couldn’t Become A Rabbi: Jesus Doesn’t Get Accepted to College

[john1]

1 hour ago, Fidei Defensor said:

Thoughts? 

Hebrews chapter 7 verse 14

For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.

[Fidei Defensor]

4 minutes ago, listener24 said:

What you described is exactly the reason why Matthew 23:7-11 has to be taken literally.

And after all, there is no other way to read it because it says "do not call ANYONE rabbi/father/teacher".

Jesus was learned enough to express Himself differently if He meant "call that way only the good ones"

Hi Baruch! You raise the other argument, that Jesus was crashing the whole system of seminary/Rabbinical school and making it about Him and being His disicple and no more middle man. God and his followers direct, no more prophets or rabbis in between. 

Very interesting, I have noticed the title of Rabbi or pastor wears heavy on a person like the crown on kings; it places a heavy expectation on people. 

Edited August 23, 2018 by Fidei Defensor

[frienduff thaylorde]

Just now, Fidei Defensor said:

I think most seminaries and many churches would not even let Jesus in the door. My brother attended a school (Christian) and he had long hair like Jesus. Suddenly the faculty changed the dress code and my brother was told to shave his hair. My brother had like Christian Nazarite vow (do not cut your hair like Samson), so my parents appealed to the faculty and during the appeal my dad said “so if Jesus came to attend your school and would not cut his hair, you wouldn’t let him attend?” The faculty members said, “yes if Jesus did not cut his hair we wouldn’t let him in our school.” To this my dad said, “that settles it, we don’t want our son attending a school that Jesus is not welcome at.” 

hair , food ,   its much deeper than that .     LOOK at the DOCTRINE many teach .    They would call JESUS a hater and most don't realize they would .  

Most think they follow CHRIST , when in fact its mens contrary teachings THEY LOVE and embrace .     I mean its got that bad .    And its only going to GET WAY WORSE and fast .

Now fidei ,  you need to sit and hear this .     WE need to break away from any of that ecumenical movement .   IF your churches main focus is unity , GET OUT .

if they focusing on good works , BUT NOT ALL SOUND DOCTRINE and the pattern the apostels kept ,  GET OUT .

I don't know that church you in , ITS why I am saying IF they do this or that , IF . 

[Fidei Defensor]

2 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

hair , food ,   its much deeper than that .     LOOK at the DOCTRINE many teach .    They would call JESUS a hater and most don't realize they would .  

Most think they follow CHRIST , when in fact its mens contrary teachings THEY LOVE and embrace .     I mean its got that bad .    And its only going to GET WAY WORSE and fast .

Now fidei ,  you need to sit and hear this .     WE need to break away from any of that ecumenical movement .   IF your churches main focus is unity , GET OUT .

if they focusing on good works , BUT NOT ALL SOUND DOCTRINE and the pattern the apostels kept ,  GET OUT .

I don't know that church you in , ITS why I am saying IF they do this or that , IF . 

Indeed, the seminary I went to believed in Agnes Sanford’s false healing of you must go through your memories and picture Jesus there (New Age), I confronted this zealously with Scripture and was given silence as a response. 

Jesus encountered crazy doctrine from the Sadduccess who did not believe in the ressurection: “

Some of the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to Jesus with a question. 28 “Teacher,” they said, “Moses wrote for us that if a man’s brother dies and leaves a wife but no children, the man must marry the widow and raise up offspring for his brother. 29 Now there were seven brothers. The first one married a woman and died childless. 30 The second 31 and then the third married her, and in the same way the seven died, leaving no children.32 Finally, the woman died too. 33 Now then, at the resurrection whose wife will she be, since the seven were married to her?”

34 Jesus replied, “The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are considered worthy of taking part in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage, 36 and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God’s children, since they are children of the resurrection. 37 But in the account of the burning bush, even Moses showed that the dead rise, for he calls the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’[b] 38 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.” (Luke 20:27-38). 

Which raises another argument, did Jesus avoid Rabbinical school because Sadduccess taught error in it?  

[Fidei Defensor]

Another theory someone proposed just now do me  is that Jesus was seen by the world and the society of the day as illegitimate because they did not believe the Truth that He is the Son of God Born to the Virgin Mary. This could have effected our Lord’s reputation and kept Him out of Hebrew School. 

[Heleadethme]

14 hours ago, Fidei Defensor said:

The tradition during the time of Jesus was that Hebrew boys after attending Hebrew school having showed promise could go to Advanced Hebrew School to learn to become a Rabbi. If a student did not advance to Rabbinical school they went home to learn their father’s trade: fishing, carpentry, merchandising, and etc. 

 Jesus did not end up going to Rabbinical school, “Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?" And they took offense at Him.” (Mark 6:3).  God Incarnate (John 1:1-17, Colossians 2:9, Titus 2:13, 2 Peter 1:1) was not able to go to Seminary and instead was sent home to learn carpentry (Greek Tacton, carpentery and stone masonry) from Joseph. 

What do you think of this? The God of the Universe from who all wisdom and knowledge flows (Colossians 2:2-3) didn’t cut it for seminary and Rabbinical school. 

Thoughts? 

It might be that His teachers were offended at His theology.  Or that He laid down the opportunity in order to do the will of His heavenly Father.

[Neighbor]

17 hours ago, Fidei Defensor said:

What do you think of this?

Well I am going to be harsh.  I guess because I think ( remember I have been asked as one of many what do I think?); I think people ponder upon some of the weirdest things and then come up with whatever fits best their own need for their own self justification.

It is pretty much an example of Festinger's Theory of Cognitive Dissonance at work. Find what agrees with what one already  already has made a decision about, and then reject all that does not agree with that decision. That way one feels most comfortbale in decisions already made, and  can just stay  comfortable.

Ex:  I didn't finish school I need justification for that decision. Ah Jesus, I think I know He know He did not go to school, well least I can make that assumption out of thin air not knowing otherwise- and he was called the carpenter. Surely carpenters don't have schooling of any kind. I am comfortable now. Let's add that another supposition; those that do go to school, do get best educated, are not like Jesus at all.  They therefore must be  bad teachers even, so stay away from bad teachers. Bad teachers are anti Christs, stay away from educated people.  

Might as well  say; Join the Red Army, read the little Red Book of Mao , know the little red book.

Best to be ignorant  and know God better, than to be educated in as many things as  one can be, and be disciplined in study of Greek and Hebrew, and the histories of nations and people, and the planets, and stars, and the universes, and biology, and microbiology, and all the sciences. Why avoid it all like the plague it is. Stay with the idea that God wants  ignorance and to be like Jesus, maybe take up whittling.

With that  I say, it is far far far better to be in the worst seminary, the worst community college, the worst university, and learning how to challenge  their errors,  than it is to be thinking one's self so  far above all teachers and  all others, and above all pastors, and all elders of local church bodies, and   that no school is desirable, nor any authority worthy of  heeding.

That's straight up what I think about the many naysayers seeking company for their own brand of self misery. They each suffer in their folly.

I do not accept a supposition that Jesus  was uneducated, seems He was amongst the many learned men that sought out knowledge and that He impressed them as a young boy even. Why would I then assume he didn't continue to become even better educated especially in the word of God, reading the Bible Jesus read, even though it may not have been the authorized King James version.

How many languages how many dialects might Jesus who is God manifested as man while still fully God have learned  as a child? Where was He for years? Was He really at England, and much of Europe, gaining more education and being a silversmith as the British Israelites think may be the case? I mention that because there are so many  guesses on a subject that is an unknown. One cannot succesfully build a model for themselves using Jesus educational record as their building blocks, for record of those blocks do not exist.

 

 There are lamenters and there are doers. I suggest it is better to be around the doers than it is to be around the lamenters. Whether it be the warning  lamenters within the Bible, or a secular book by Scott Hamilton about  Winners Finish First with his message that losers seek out company of yet mor elosers so that they are all satisfied in failure- avoid them a a plague.

Seek out who Jesus sought out as Apostles, were they uneducated in their fields unschooled? Except perhaps in the manner of the schooling of the Rabbi's presentation methods. Look at Paul the Apostle out of time. He was the chief prosecutor of Jesus the most educated of Rabbis, did He have schooling? Was the schooling from an  errant system  of thought? Did God not use Paul mightily? To conclude education is bad because some errors get taught therefore be ignorant, seems to me  not to be a Bible lesson, but instead a dissonance like that Festinger taught about.

Sorry that I may not be making friends with the above, but the question was asked. I was therefore  invited to contend that the premise of the OP is way wrong. It is awful to quit learning. Silly to think that in general the less education the better trained the person. Just raise up those hands in praise? No! God will have His own to be smart, educated, reading the word He has provided, which tells of many an educated and exceptional person in history some being educated under God in person, Adam for some long time and the Apostles for a couple of years plus an extrodinary forty day Bible school under Jesus and not under the King James-   Some men and a few extraordinary women too, spending years and years in education formal and informal,  at learning , math accounting, management of one's great house, or to build a vessel, with some rising to be chief amongst all the pharisees, one even being the wisest of all men.

All working  at what they are lead to be doing, none sitting around naysaying what God has others doing.

In general lamenters are  with little good purpose. In general much education trumps ignorance, in general tyrants and demagogues promote hatred of formal learning and punishment of the wise with training to use their wisdom.

Ignorance is not a good way to avoid being mislead. In general being educated learning how to learn is required for being good leaders at Jesus church.

One cannot logically go around lamenting there are no good pastors, no good churches, none that teach well enough to merit one's personal attendance and participation with outer saints,  and also say  do not go and complete an education just go about to and fro raising hands in praise of God.

There are the pretend-a-scholars and there are the hands uppers only, all have the same flaw, they lament against the church our lord has for His people those foreknown and predestined to be His of whom He will not lose a one, especially railing against hose gifted by the Holy Spirit as pastors and teachers overseers. Seems to me they simply detest the burden of having any oversight of themselves. a burden placed upon all of Jesus' saints as bond-servants. I light yoke to wear, but one disdained by  more than a few, and so they rail on.

 

Edited August 24, 2018 by Neighbor

[Neighbor]

I so wish I had gained a much higher level of formal education! I so wish I had been called to be a teacher or to have that capacity anyway, but hey someone has to see to it that the buildings are still squared and to make sure that the plumbing works. All cannot be the head the body needs arms and legs and even little toes. And I do see that God has led me to education formal education in specialty skills and in trades too.  I also learned formally much about business law that is needed today in  the church as well as on the street of commerce.

My point- always learn, learn disciplined and never stop the learning  never be envious of another's acomplishment in receiving formal education for that is a sin too. Thank you all that have worked so hard as to complete your educational opportunities and still go on learning more and sharing of the skills gained  to the glory of God in all that you do. 

Edited August 24, 2018 by Neighbor

[Fidei Defensor]

1 hour ago, Neighbor said:

Well I am going to be harsh.  I guess because I think ( remember I have been asked as one of many what do I think?); I think people ponder upon some of the weirdest things and then come up with whatever fits best their own need for their own self justification.

It is pretty much an example of Festinger's Theory of Cognitive Dissonance at work. Find what agrees with what one already  already has made a decision about, and then reject all that does not agree with that decision. That way one feels most comfortbale in decisions already made, and  can just stay  comfortable.

Ex:  I didn't finish school I need justification for that decision. Ah Jesus, I think I know He know He did not go to school, well least I can make that assumption out of thin air not knowing otherwise- and he was called the carpenter. Surely carpenters don't have schooling of any kind. I am comfortable now. Let's add that another supposition; those that do go to school, do get best educated, are not like Jesus at all.  They therefore must be  bad teachers even, so stay away from bad teachers. Bad teachers are anti Christs, stay away from educated people.  

Might as well  say; Join the Red Army, read the little Red Book of Mao , know the little red book.

Best to be ignorant  and know God better, than to be educated in as many things as  one can be, and be disciplined in study of Greek and Hebrew, and the histories of nations and people, and the planets, and stars, and the universes, and biology, and microbiology, and all the sciences. Why avoid it all like the plague it is. Stay with the idea that God wants  ignorance and to be like Jesus, maybe take up whittling.

With that  I say, it is far far far better to be in the worst seminary, the worst community college, the worst university, and learning how to challenge  their errors,  than it is to be thinking one's self so  far above all teachers and  all others, and above all pastors, and all elders of local church bodies, and   that no school is desirable, nor any authority worthy of  heeding.

That's straight up what I think about the many naysayers seeking company for their own brand of self misery. They each suffer in their folly.

I do not accept a supposition that Jesus  was uneducated, seems He was amongst the many learned men that sought out knowledge and that He impressed them as a young boy even. Why would I then assume he didn't continue to become even better educated especially in the word of God, reading the Bible Jesus read, even though it may not have been the authorized King James version.

How many languages how many dialects might Jesus who is God manifested as man while still fully God have learned  as a child? Where was He for years? Was He really at England, and much of Europe, gaining more education and being a silversmith as the British Israelites think may be the case? I mention that because there are so many  guesses on a subject that is an unknown. One cannot succesfully build a model for themselves using Jesus educational record as their building blocks, for record of those blocks do not exist.

 

 There are lamenters and there are doers. I suggest it is better to be around the doers than it is to be around the lamenters. Whether it be the warning  lamenters within the Bible, or a secular book by Scott Hamilton about  Winners Finish First with his message that losers seek out company of yet mor elosers so that they are all satisfied in failure- avoid them a a plague.

Seek out who Jesus sought out as Apostles, were they uneducated in their fields unschooled? Except perhaps in the manner of the schooling of the Rabbi's presentation methods. Look at Paul the Apostle out of time. He was the chief prosecutor of Jesus the most educated of Rabbis, did He have schooling? Was the schooling from an  errant system  of thought? Did God not use Paul mightily? To conclude education is bad because some errors get taught therefore be ignorant, seems to me  not to be a Bible lesson, but instead a dissonance like that Festinger taught about.

Sorry that I may not be making friends with the above, but the question was asked. I was therefore  invited to contend that the premise of the OP is way wrong. It is awful to quit learning. Silly to think that in general the less education the better trained the person. Just raise up those hands in praise? No! God will have His own to be smart, educated, reading the word He has provided, which tells of many an educated and exceptional person in history some being educated under God in person, Adam for some long time and the Apostles for a couple of years plus an extrodinary forty day Bible school under Jesus and not under the King James-   Some men and a few extraordinary women too, spending years and years in education formal and informal,  at learning , math accounting, management of one's great house, or to build a vessel, with some rising to be chief amongst all the pharisees, one even being the wisest of all men.

All working  at what they are lead to be doing, none sitting around naysaying what God has others doing.

In general lamenters are  with little good purpose. In general much education trumps ignorance, in general tyrants and demagogues promote hatred of formal learning and punishment of the wise with training to use their wisdom.

Ignorance is not a good way to avoid being mislead. In general being educated learning how to learn is required for being good leaders at Jesus church.

One cannot logically go around lamenting there are no good pastors, no good churches, none that teach well enough to merit one's personal attendance and participation with outer saints,  and also say  do not go and complete an education just go about to and fro raising hands in praise of God.

There are the pretend-a-scholars and there are the hands uppers only, all have the same flaw, they lament against the church our lord has for His people those foreknown and predestined to be His of whom He will not lose a one, especially railing against hose gifted by the Holy Spirit as pastors and teachers overseers. Seems to me they simply detest the burden of having any oversight of themselves. a burden placed upon all of Jesus' saints as bond-servants. I light yoke to wear, but one disdained by  more than a few, and so they rail on.

 

“Thank you for your candor.”

I had the opposite reaction. Jesus not getting into Rabbinical school is a message to the religious establishment. If God cannot get into a Acadèmia of men, then is the Acadèmia even safe?, “For the wisdom of this world is folly with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their craftiness,” (1 Corinthians  3:19), and “and again, “The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.” (1 Corinthians 3:20), and, “For the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength.” (1 Corinthians 1:25). 

Jesus himself said that we would have the Trinity as our teachers, “Neither be called instructors (teachers), for you have one instructor, the Christ,” (Matthew 23:10), “But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you,” (John 14:6), and, “Christ, in whom is all the storehouses of wisdom and knowledge.” (Colossians 2:2-3). 

I do believe there is advantages to education. However, most universities and colleges have become propaganda policies rather than houses of higher learning. Instead of “teaching you how to think, they teach you what to think.” Instead of helping you develop deductive reasoning  and how to come up with your own arguments, you are given the argument and it must be recited like mantra or else your grades will fail. 

Higher learning has become almost as corrupt as the Pharissees, where you have to buy your position. It had been discovered that the college gambit is connected to Wall Street and Banks that’s are making a killing on student loans (Reader’s Digest). 
 

Edited August 24, 2018 by Fidei Defensor

[frienduff thaylorde]

16 hours ago, Fidei Defensor said:

Another theory someone proposed just now do me  is that Jesus was seen by the world and the society of the day as illegitimate because they did not believe the Truth that He is the Son of God Born to the Virgin Mary. This could have effected our Lord’s reputation and kept Him out of Hebrew School. 

At age twelve JESUS brought true DOCTRINE to them .     and at around age thirty three,   HE brought Whips to them .      FALSEHOODS being taught by those who do so in GODS name ,

NEVER flys well, WITH GOD at all.        And we have a mess in many houses of God today .  A  UTTER MESS .  and worse , worse they do it in JESUS NAME .    talk about a sore punishment .

We better expose any false teacher or institution and do all to be no partaker of their sins , but rather EXPOSE THEM .